Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Goldengirl

kilns wrote: »

Official testing has been reduced in Switzerland because since May every citizen was entitled to 5 free antigen self tests per month. If test from home and then if test postive with those you go for PCR test free of charge to confirm

But if it is falling is it because people are not getting PCRs which may be more accurate ?
Unless you are sick/ symptomatic you won't test positive with an antigen test , and they aren't sensitive to pick up all asymptomatic cases.
So at best you are only disencouraging people from getting PCR, because they probably don't have the capacity anymore as cutting back .
That is a false security really .

timmyntc

Goldengirl wrote: »

But if it is falling is it because people are not getting PCRs which may be more accurate ?
Unless you are sick/ symptomatic you won't test positive with an antigen test , and they aren't sensitive to pick up all asymptomatic cases.
So at best you are only disencouraging people from getting PCR, because they probably don't have the capacity anymore as cutting back .
That is a false security really .

They rolled out antigen tests a while back - the quick turnaround and widespread use of them + then PCR meant they picked up a lot of cases early and "broke" chains of transmission. Which over time reduced all actual cases.

Antigen test has a very short turnaround, PCR is 24hrs+ - not to mention you have to get a referral and wait for a test first which could be another several days.

Antigen tests can be done fast and widespread so should absolutely be used as a front-line tactic to find more cases, and earlier.

Turtwig

This thread has become dangerously misleading.

The immune system extends from the bone marrow to your organs. There are immune cells in your intestines.

When you shoot an intramuscular injection into somebody muscle its constituents will reach a person's heart. Once there it will circulate through the entire circulatory system.

There is nothing to suggest the mRNA vaccines cause inflammation of the heart. The observed incidences did not exceed the background rate of myocarditis in the normal population. This coupled with the suggestion that Covid itself may cause myocarditis makes it very hard to say a vaccine caused the condition. They may, they may not, there is not enough evidence to determine either way yet.

Finally covid affects the kidneys, intestines, brain, heart, lungs etc. Having a localised arm immune response for this virus would be utterly pointless.

kleiner feigling

timmyntc wrote: »

Thats the same case with conventional vaccines though really - there will be antigens all over the body - an immune response local to your arm is no good against anything..

This point was clarified in another post, the antigens are transported from your arm into the nearest lymph node in order for the immune response to be initiated there. But in normal vaccines the antigens are not transported all over the body (i.e. to organs etc.). That would make you very sick.
They're only transported to the lymph so your body can learn to attack a very small quantity of them, and record that response for any future infections.

The idea that your whole body gets flooded with antigens is incorrect, at least for traditional vaccines.

Goldengirl

kleiner feigling wrote: »

This point was clarified in another post, the antigens are transported from your arm into the nearest lymph node in order for the immune response to be initiated there. But in normal vaccines the antigens are not transported all over the body (i.e. to organs etc.). That would make you very sick.
They're only transported to the lymph so your body can learn to attack a very small quantity of them, and record that response for any future infections.

The idea that your whole body gets flooded with antigens is incorrect, at least for traditional vaccines.

Not true .
Am done here.

kleiner feigling

Goldengirl wrote: »

No I am right . You are too;)
I omitted that bit .
The ordinary cell picks up the RNA , it forms the spike protein , which stimulates an antibody response. The antibody attaches itself to the spike protein rendering ut useless but their is no virus in the first cell .
This is all part of the immune response .
This in turn stimulates the Tcell response etc.as before .
The injected RNA and resultant spike protein does not survive, only the response .

Totally accept that, and see you have had it with me, so...

Opening it to anyone else who might have info to share here or privately?
My genuine query is what the impact is when other organs contain the mRNA instructions for making spike protein?

Dr. Em

kilns wrote: »

You have to wonder why has Irelands cases remain stagnant for such a long time.
Here in Switzerland the rates have been falling by 30-50% weekly. The latest figure is 120, which the equivilant of around 70 in Ireland, also Germany which had such high cases now are reporting 360 cases only! which is a dramatic drop but Ireland has remained stagnant, has this question been asked?

From talking to friends and family in other countries, I'm beginning to think that factors that make the most difference to case numbers are less controllable than we think.
1) temperature and the amount of time spent outside. Even when the weather is nice, there is less of a tradition of outdoor socialising here.
2) historic family sizes. It is easier to keep your social circle small if your parents and grandparents have only one or two siblings each and there aren't many cousins or big family events.
2) socialisation patterns. In pubs, on teams, at work, we are used to socialising in larger groups of acquaintances, rather than with a small group of close friends.
Also, purely anecdotally, some employers and workplaces here are less likely to encourage staff to self-isolate if they have tested positive or have been in contact with a positive case than in other countries. That would be from only a small sample of anecdotes, however, and may not be the case on a larger scale.

corkie

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1407012916679872520


As of midnight, Sunday 20th June, we are reporting
284*
confirmed cases of #COVID19.

13 in ICU. 53 in hospital.

*Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update.

lukas8888

284 new cases

53 in Hospital

13 in ICU.

stephenjmcd

Estimates that Delta is accounting for about 20% of cases.

I still think we're doing very well given cases are still remaining low, hospital numbers continuing to decline.

We aren't seeing growth in cases at least

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1407014270831845383?s=19

wadacrack

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Estimates that Delta is accounting for about 20% of cases.

I still think we're doing very well given cases are still remaining low, hospital numbers continuing to decline.

We aren't seeing growth in cases at least

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1407014270831845383?s=19

450 cases in the last week means its going to rise pretty quickly , especially after July 5th. Disappointing news

stephenjmcd

wadacrack wrote: »

450 cases in the last week means its going to rise pretty quickly , especially after July 5th. Disappointing news

We'll see.

Cases staying low, hospitals doing very well. We're in a good place, lots to still be postive about

iamwhoiam

Yesterday they seem to have unconcerned about Delta spreading ? Today its a concern ?

wadacrack

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We'll see.

Cases staying low, hospitals doing very well. We're in a good place, lots to still be postive about

Agree with all that but it is still disappointing. Seems very unexpected too given that rates on the variant seemed stable last week.

irishguy1983

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yesterday they seem to have unconcerned about Delta spreading ? Today its a concern ?

Sometimes I wish they would stop with the comms - it changes constantly which I understand is representative of situation but they don’t really need to tell us when they are concerned and not concerned....

stephenjmcd

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yesterday they seem to have unconcerned about Delta spreading ? Today its a concern ?

Sequencing is about 2 weeks at least behind usually it would appear. Most of what they give is usually rough estimates

TheDoctor

Tony is concerned?

There must be an easy of restrictions for pubs coming up soon…..

Turtwig

TheDoctor wrote: »

Tony is concerned?

There must be an easy of restrictions for pubs coming up soon…..

This kind of repeated post is like that person who tells the same joke over and over and over. Years passed. They're still telling the same joke.

TheDoctor

Turtwig wrote: »

This kind of repeated post is like that person who tells the same joke over and over and over. Years passed. They're still telling the same joke.

Tell me about it. Sure we’re all sick of Tony’s guff at this stage.

No ones buying what he’s selling anymore.

The boy who cried wolf

manofwisdom

TheDoctor wrote: »

Tony is concerned?

There must be an easy of restrictions for pubs coming up soon…..

The usual worrying or concerning comment from nphet which is really to guard against any complacency and keep a high uptake in vaccines going..

TheDoctor

manofwisdom wrote: »

The usual worrying or concerning comment from nphet which is really to guard against any complacency and keep a high uptake in vaccines going..

Same with his shocked and appalled tweet three weeks ago because people were out in the city centre.

Dogs on the street could tell you nothing was going to come of it. It’s been going on for weeks.

1huge1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Estimates that Delta is accounting for about 20% of cases.

I still think we're doing very well given cases are still remaining low, hospital numbers continuing to decline.

We aren't seeing growth in cases at least

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1407014270831845383?s=19

Great to see continued reduction in Hospitalisations/ICU.

Looking at our cases though, while it has gone down a bit in the past week or two, they have been relatively stagnant since March.

Meanwhile looking at other European countries that had much higher case numbers from March - May, they have now dropped considerably below us (nominally and cases per 100,000).

Anyone any idea as to why we aren't seeing cases drop move, akin to the likes of Denmark and Austria for example.

Obviously, it doesn't bother me as much anymore as we are in a very good place re the vaccine and hospitals, but curious all the same.

CruelSummer

Turtwig wrote: »

This kind of repeated post is like that person who tells the same joke over and over and over. Years passed. They're still telling the same joke.

Dr Holohan could have stated that cases & hospitalisations are continuing to fall & that 80% of cases in Ireland are NOT the Delta variant. But he didn’t. NPHET & Holohan’s doom mongering shouldn’t matter to the degree it seems to. If the government actually took other factors into account besides Covid.

Hospitals are very full right now with non Covid care - as are A&E’s. We’ve had a hack of vital healthcare software. Many people are getting diagnosed with cancer much later - these are things to be concerned about.

blowitupref

1huge1 wrote: »

Great to see continued reduction in Hospitalisations/ICU.

Looking at our cases though, while it has gone down a bit in the past week or two, they have been relatively stagnant since March.

Meanwhile looking at other European countries that had much higher case numbers from March - May, they have now dropped considerably below us (nominally and cases per 100,000).

Anyone any idea as to why we aren't seeing cases drop move, akin to the likes of Denmark and Austria for example.

Obviously, it doesn't bother me as much anymore as we are in a very good place re the vaccine and hospitals, but curious all the same.

The lowest 7-day average in cases in March was 521 and we had a high of 654. Its in the low 300s now. Are Denmark, Austria target testing like us and have loads of pop up centres picking up lots of people with no symptoms?

As ever the hospital situation gives the best idea to where we are. 2,020 in hospital in January to 53 today.

Klonker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Estimates that Delta is accounting for about 20% of cases.

I still think we're doing very well given cases are still remaining low, hospital numbers continuing to decline.

We aren't seeing growth in cases at least

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1407014270831845383?s=19

I'm curious to how they came to estimate that 20% of cases are Delta. Is it just 20% of sequenced cases or is it more nuanced than that?

Its just that we know the sequencing is targeted for the variants so would make up a larger percentage of sequenced cases than actual cases. Someone (can't remember who) was on Claire Byrne radio show last week and said 200ish amount of sequenced cases were Delta. Philip Boucher Hayes asked since we sequence 20% of cases can we assume that there probably Delta cases to be actually 5 times this and he said no, sequencing is targeted and he thinks they have gotten the vast majority of Delta cases but obviously a few could be missed.

If it happens to just be 20% of sequenced cases this is very misleading to Tony Holohan. Anyway hopefully a journalist might actually ask some decent questions on this for a change.

normanoffside

blowitupref wrote: »

The lowest 7-day average in cases in March was 521 and we had a high of 654. Its in the low 300s now. Are Denmark, Austria target testing like us and have loads of pop up centres picking up lots of people with no symptoms?

As ever the hospital situation gives the best idea to where we are. 2,020 in hospital in January to 53 today.

Denmark are testing 20x More than us.
People have to get tested twice a week for their 'coronapas' to get into places.

This is from a week ago- over 500,000 tests/day

https://twitter.com/WoodfordinDK/status/1404776936279359492

Yes the majority are antigen tests but there are also 80k PCR tests a day which is 4 x more than our total tests

Cork2021

Ah here we go again! Hospitality to open fully in 2 weeks and boom!!

If cases are a metric again, I give up! What’s the point of vaccines. Also it was all sunshine and lollipops after NPHET made absolute tits of themselves at the oireacthas committee last week and now 80% of our cases are not delta!
Why did he fail to mention that? How about icu being down to 13? It was 13 on the 30th of June last year!

bucketybuck

Turtwig wrote: »

This kind of repeated post is like that person who tells the same joke over and over and over. Years passed. They're still telling the same joke.

Somebody should tell King Tony this, he's the one who has left people treating words from the chief medical officer as nothing more than a bad joke.

TefalBrain

Full house at the Denmark Russia game, people getting on with living.

Ireland is concerned though, concerned concerned concerned.

manofwisdom

normanoffside wrote: »

Denmark are testing 20x More than us.
People have to get tested twice a week for their 'coronapas' to get into places.

This is from a week ago- over 500,000 tests/day

https://twitter.com/WoodfordinDK/status/1404776936279359492

Yes the majority are antigen tests but there are also 80k PCR tests a day which is 4 x more than our total tests

The hospital situation in Denmark for a similar size population as us. hospitalizations 82 and 17 in ICU.