Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Doctor Jimbob

giveitholly wrote: »

And how many premises can't do outdoor dining/drinking? Its pissing rain this evening,how many people are out for a meal this evening?

I got an email earlier about a reservation for outdoor dinner on Saturday. If the weather doesn't improve, it's going to be cancelled as they don't have rain shelters or outdoor heaters - global shortage apparently, understandably. Now, obviously, that would be the case regardless of any changes to the plan since it's before July 5th, but I'm sure there are plenty of businesses waiting for the required equipment who will be faced with further uncertainty if the reopening is pushed back. It's not just as simple as throw a few chairs outside, be grand.

giveitholly

And don't forget all the people who have booked staycations and now will be very limited on where they can eat out for the month of July

SortingYouOut

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If 13 in ICU and a tiny few deaths is not good enough, you have to wonder what is ever going to change?

We could have those numbers with everyone fully vaccinated.

Preemptive measures perhaps? Doesn't make much sense waiting until ICU numbers are high?

Dr. Bre

Mcconkey on prime time now - this will be good

TefalBrain

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Preemptive measures perhaps? Doesn't make much sense waiting until ICU numbers are high?

High with who? Everyone in danger has been vaccinated. The vaccines work. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

GooglePlus

giveitholly wrote: »

And don't forget all the people who have booked staycations and now will be very limited on where they can eat out for the month of July

The real victims here, you're dead right.

FintanMcluskey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Look its not ideal and I'm not a fan of it if that's what they go with but will another 2-3 weeks of drinking in beer gardens instead of indoors bother me if it means the guts of 500k more fully vaccinated and then reopen, probably not no. I don't want things to reopen and then close again and if that means 2 more weeks drinking and eating meals outside in order for more of the population to get vaccinated then I can live with it.

But not for longer than 2-3 weeks, I'd like indoor to reopen on the 5th and I think it should but I can see the other viewpoint of 2 more weeks would see probably 500k fully vaccinated.

At the end of the day there's nothing any of us can do to impact the decision making

Just 2 more weeks

It’s just until we vaccinate the vulnerable healthcare workers cohort 5 just another 500,000 vaccinations

I was called a nutter when I said there is no end for this in Ireland

giveitholly

giveitholly wrote: »

And don't forget all the people who have booked staycations and now will be very limited on where they can eat out for the month of July

I actually had staycation booked with free cancellation available until June 27th.

I just cancelled. Not worth it. Will book another few days up north instead.

KrustyUCC

giveitholly wrote: »

And don't forget all the people who have booked staycations and now will be very limited on where they can eat out for the month of July

Yup

Limited to dining in hotels indoor

What a farcical situation that would be caused by government delay

mloc123

McConkey on Primetime... being very positive

SortingYouOut

TefalBrain wrote: »

High with who? Everyone in danger has been vaccinated. The vaccines work. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I don't think anyone understands or do you think yourself and this thread on Boards.ie has it sussed? They're not doing it for the craic, there's obviously a risk there and they're preemptively reacting instead of running the risk of another spread, for the sake of a few pints under a roof. You say that everyone in danger is vaccinated but that isn't true, it's just what you want to believe because you're fed up like everyone else. Everyone is fed up but that doesn't mean this all goes away.

Arghus

Turtwig wrote: »

This is my very tetchy read of it too. I think the problem is it's a lot easier to sell a delay than to open further and have to regress with a closure. There is a three week lag to confirm delta cases. Its increased transmissiblity in a indoor setting is the wild card.

Will see what the modelling consortium reports to NPHET. I suspect volatility will be quite high.
There's also an element of politicians saying they're OK with delaying and then if NPHET's advice is to proceed they pin blame solely on NHPET if things go awry.

If you were to look at it through a slight realpolitik lens the potential blow back, politically, from opening and then having to potentially close again is far greater than having to delay once again for another number of weeks.

Turtwig

TefalBrain wrote: »

High with who? Everyone in danger has been vaccinated. The vaccines work. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

It's very hard for us to understand why you keep insisting on saying everyone in danger is vaccinated when it has been repeatedly explained to you that they haven't.

There's a considersable group of over 60s and cohort 4 who've yet to receive their second dose.
Then there's cohort 7 and people over 40 who are either partially vaccinated or awaiting their first dose.

We have not vaccinated our medically vulnerable yet.

normanoffside

mloc123 wrote: »

McConkey on Primetime... being very positive

The word has gone mad.
The Government are more glum than McConkey

iamwhoiam

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I don't think anyone understands or do you think yourself and this thread on Boards.ie has it sussed? They're not doing it for the craic, there's obviously a risk there and they're preemptively reacting instead of running the risk of another spread, for the sake of a few pints under a roof. You say that everyone in danger is vaccinated but that isn't true, it's just what you want to believe because you're fed up like everyone else. Everyone is fed up but that doesn't mean this all goes away.

. Agreed . Many in Cohort 7 ( high risk ) are not yet vaccinated . Its an on going issue that they are struggling to get vaccinated and have been forgotten in the whole rollout

Doctor Jimbob

normanoffside wrote: »

The word has gone mad.
The Government are more glum than McConkey

Credit where it's due, McConkey is being entirely sensible and reasonable here.

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

If you were to look at it through a slight realpolitik lens the potential blow back, politically, from opening and then having to potentially close again is far greater than having to delay once again for another number of weeks.

The lockdown to avoid lockdown approach

Can’t be beaten

Multipass

iamwhoiam wrote: »

. Agreed . Many in Cohort 7 ( high risk ) are not yet vaccinated . Its an on going issue that they are struggling to get vaccinated and have been forgotten in the whole rollout

They can cocoon. There’s a bigger picture to be considered.

Economics101

Granted that transmission of the virus is much much greater indoors than outdoors, but how much indoor transmission is likely in restaurants, cafes and (to an extent) bars, compared with the totally uncontrolled and uncontrollable mixing in households? So you ban people from somewhat controlled indoor environments, only to see them socialise in totally uncontrolled domestic environments instead.

Do these clowns ever think about human behaviour as opposed to rules, rules, rules.

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I respect your point of view

However it won't end with 2-3 weeks delay

The same reopening queries will arise then

This 2-3 is crucial for businesses and livelihoods

All of the indicators are really good at the moment so no reason to delay

Like if you take the vaccinations angle another 2 weeks after the 2-3 weeks will also see more fully vaccinated

Where does that end?

Look I'm just not bothered getting myself worked up over it, what's the point,? Doesn't do any good, we can't impact the decisions that get made next week.

We know double vaccination is what's needed to give Delta the kick up the arse, if 2-3 weeks means all the 60s get the 2nd AZ dose and we'll have massive numbers double vaccinated then if that means I've to drink pints outside for 2 or 3 more weeks then I'm ok with that, do I like it no not really, but there's feck all I can do about it

iamwhoiam

Multipass wrote: »

They can cocoon. There’s a bigger picture to be considered.

Cocoon ? Many of them are teachers , retail workers , construction , bar workers , etc etc . They are not 70 year old retired people .

mloc123

The guy in in Belfast saying that transmission in Ireland (with a population of 6 million) could generate a new vaccine resistant strain.... sure, that seems likely when India with a population of 1.5 billion and higher daily transmission then the total transmission here over a year didn't manage to do it.

GooglePlus

Pure tribalism here, it's gas. The teams have been picked and there's no speaking to either side, just back and forth garbage on this thread now.

mightyreds

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Look I'm just not bothered getting myself worked up over it, what's the point,? Doesn't do any good, we can't impact the decisions that get made next week.

We know double vaccination is what's needed to give Delta the kick up the arse, if 2-3 weeks means all the 60s get the 2nd AZ dose and we'll have massive numbers double vaccinated then if that means I've to drink pints outside for 2 or 3 more weeks then I'm ok with that, do I like it no not really, but there's feck all I can do about it

For every person who is happy to drink pints outdoors for 3 weeks there is another trying to plan a wedding or go see family overseas.

An Ciarraioch

Seeing as I haven't seen this slide posted here yet - vaccination % by age group:

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1408084802939523074

Presumably the question is how long it'll take the over-60s to get the second jab of AZ, but after that we'll surely have sufficient immunity to lift the restrictions?

SortingYouOut

mightyreds wrote: »

For every person who is happy to drink pints outdoors for 3 weeks there is another trying to plan a wedding or go see family overseas.

I doubt that now, think about that for a minute.

FintanMcluskey

GooglePlus wrote: »

Pure tribalism here, it's gas. The teams have been picked and there's no speaking to either side, just back and forth garbage on this thread now.

Spoken by someone who’s team is now getting repeatedly beaten

giveitholly

mightyreds wrote: »

For every person who is happy to drink pints outdoors for 3 weeks there is another trying to plan a wedding or go see family overseas.

Exactly,and for some people who do like a pint the option isn't there for them because no pub near them are opened. And don't forget the small cafes as well that don't serve alcohol. They are caught up in this mess as well

Multipass

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Cocoon ? Many of them are teachers , retail workers , construction , bar workers , etc etc . They are not 70 year old retired people .

Then take leave. Instead of forcing the healthy to join them out of work.

mightyreds

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I doubt that now, think about that for a minute.

So your saying there are very little trying to get to visit family overseas