Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

This also seems to be the most sensible sentence I’ve heard spoken during the pandemic from that IT op.

“Those who feel they are vulnerable to the virus can make their own choices about who, if anybody, they want to meet, where they want to go and where to avoid.”

JRant

GooglePlus wrote: »

What are you on about? It was a European Council meeting, of course European values were top of the agenda. Did you expect all the member states to crowd around Micheál and listen to the woes of the Irish for the entirety of the sitting?

I don't think anyone expects that at all. What would be nice is if MM the good little European could tottle back over here and start practicing some of those core European values that he clearly holds so dearly.

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

Lets see how that mood is in 2 weeks time when people realise their staycation is a waste of money as everywhere is still closed.

Won't matter, unfortunately, because the fundamental problem is, and will continue to be, the absence of opposition. In the US there is a political party for one half of the country and a political party for the other half. People have a voice in the two political parties. In Ireland there's no possibility or way for people to express opposition to what's going on.

What Username Guidelines

Goldengirl wrote: »

24 to 30 hours. A few I know recently had their results back within 26 hours .
Hope she is ok .

Negative 31 hours test-to-result, not terrible.

GooglePlus

GooglePlus wrote: »

What are you on about? It was a European Council meeting, of course European values were top of the agenda. Did you expect all the member states to crowd around Micheál and listen to the woes of the Irish for the entirety of the sitting?

European values were top of an agenda? Not the shredding of social fabrics europe wide? Not the decimation of economies, the destruction of small and family businesses?...oohhh our values..the old if we stand for nothing we will fall for everything type jargon..i dont care if they were societal, Ethical, moral or principal values, he needs to taking care of business here and leading. You were obviously front and centre with you "go europe" pink pom poms drooling at 6pm for your man crush yea?

Necro

Can we please stay on topic folks, if you want to discuss politics there's a forum dedicated to that

blackcard

Klonker wrote: »

Great article. The young are and will continue to bear the brunt of this for years to come. Some of the media were very slow to come around what's happening here. It feels like it's too little too late at this stage unfortunately.

Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical

jam_mac_jam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What do they actually want? To live in a perpetual state of fear?

Great line in there too - “ Have the vaccinated over-60s a right to deprive people in their 20s and 30s of a social life for another summer?”.

They don't care. They have their pensions and don't need to worry. Same as everyone who still has their jobs. Doesn't effect them so stay in lockdown for as long as it takes.

Country is run for such people.

FintanMcluskey

snotboogie wrote: »

68% of over 65's said that life should not go back to normal after most people are vaccinated!

I often wonder what is the life status of those in support of ongoing restrictions

I really struggle to believe it’s concern for others

FintanMcluskey

blackcard wrote: »

Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical

It’s not nonsensical

Realistically the young are those not yet partnered up or set up with houses,

Those over 50 (who are miking up the rules) won’t suffer nearly as much loss of opportunities as the next generation and are happily settled

And mostly vaccinated :pac:

Klonker

blackcard wrote: »

Seriously!! I would say that many have borne the brunt of this. The vast majority of deaths, isolation, fear for their lives, has occurred amongst . the elderly. Business owners, predominantly middle aged, having spent a lifetime growing their business, are struggling to survive. A lot of mortgage holders are in desperate straits. Workers fear that they will not have jobs to return to. Obviously there is a great toll on the young but to say that they are bearing the brunt is incorrect. This is widespread. And it is not like the Celtic Tiger years where some people were greedy. The person who has worked honestly and diligently are fearful about the future. To suggest that it is the young who are bearing the brunt of the burden is nonsensical

They are the ones who are missing out on school, college, have huge unemployment rates in under 30s. They will be the ones paying back the biggest proportion of this debt in years to come, that have had huge curbs to their social lives like going to nightclubs that the rest of us got to experience. And all for a virus that has little effect on them in vast majority of cases. I do feel for all in this pandemic but not all are sacrificing the same.

Bit cynical

The country is generally run by and for people whose relative position is for the most part improved by continued restrictions and lockdowns. I say relative because overall the country is going downhill. However if you are a homeowner, your position relative to non-homeowners has improved. If you are in a permanent defined-benefit pensionable job, your position relative to a casual worker has improved. It's not sustainable and at some point these people will need to take a hit (there will be a lot of protest) but this is the situation as it stands.

FintanMcluskey

Klonker wrote: »

They are the ones who are missing out on school, college, have huge unemployment rates in under 30s. They will be the ones paying back the biggest proportion of this debt in years to come, that have had huge curbs to their social lives like going to nightclubs that the rest of us got to experience. And all for a virus that has little effect on them in vast majority of cases. I do feel for all in this pandemic but not all are sacrificing the same.

Absolutely not

The young are sacrificing a lot to save others

Others are sacrificing a bit to save themselves

Strumms

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This also seems to be the most sensible sentence I’ve heard spoken during the pandemic from that IT op.

“Those who feel they are vulnerable to the virus can make their own choices about who, if anybody, they want to meet, where they want to go and where to avoid.”

If allowing people to make their own choices was viable during this pandemic there wouldn’t have been a need for a single restriction.... they could have published. ’ advice ‘

People who have NO vulnerability don’t want to contract COVID...people without vulnerability don’t want to get sick or pass it on to anybody else, vulnerable or not....

jam_mac_jam

Vulnerable people are vaccinated. Why would they want the lockdown to go on of vaccinated.

I feel like everyone has gone mad. There are currently less then 50 people in hospital and they are talking about not opening restaurants.

It's insane.

Wolf359f

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Vulnerable people are vaccinated. Why would they want the lockdown to go on of vaccinated.

I feel like everyone has gone mad. There are currently less then 50 people in hospital and they are talking about not opening restaurants.

It's insane.

There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.

Necro

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.

Both my parents got their second jab today so it does seem to be a priority alright.

My Aunt also got hers, they were a day apart each for initial jab (Aunt on Sunday, Dad Monday and Mum Tuesday) and only a few hours between them for second one today.

Wolf359f

Necro wrote: »

Both my parents got their second jab today so it does seem to be a priority alright.

My Aunt also got hers, they were a day apart each for initial jab (Aunt on Sunday, Dad Monday and Mum Tuesday) and only a few hours between them for second one today.

Citywest have been doing AZ for the past 7 days (normally it would be a day here or there), looks like they will be switching to Pfizer from Monday (could be down to AZ supply). But it's what was causing a big delay in 40+ group in South Dublin. Priority was second jabs of AZ.

It could very well be that the HSE are busting their arses to get AZ second doses done ASAP so come July 5th, more will be protected etc...

yerwanthere123

Was in The Mills pub in Ballyvourney, Co. Cork tonight. The local football team won their match and came into the pub for drinks afterwards, place was packed to the rafters. Rightly or wrongly, it was nice to experience some normality for the night.

agoodpunt

fair play to ye, Dr Hou wont be happy

Wolf359f

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's a difference between a single dose and 2 doses.
We still have HCW's waiting on a second dose of AZ, our 60-69 waiting on a second dose, some 60k of cohort 4 (extremely at risk) waiting a second jab (a total of about 650k).
The HSE seem to have been prioritizing those second jabs the past week (depending on supplies) so it could be close to 2 thirds that figure remaining. But just because you know a 30/40 year old with no underlying conditions who got their second jab a few weeks ago, does not mean our most vulnerable are fully protected.

They can lay low for awhile if they really want.
We need to stop acting like snowflakes at this point.

Multipass

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They can lay low for awhile if they really want.
We need to stop acting like snowflakes at this point.

It’s scary to see how people’s ideas of what is proportional have been skewed. It was never supposed to be to stop anyone getting sick, it was all to flatten the curve. It’s turned into a monster at this stage, where people seem to want to keep restrictions so no-one ever gets sick. Not giving a damn about those who will get sick in the future and won’t get treatment because we pissed billions away on Perspex screens and payouts to closed businesses.

CruelSummer

Looks like the ISAG wing in the U.K. are starting to look at Climate Change now. Interesting coincidence that George Lee also wrote a climate change piece recently too…

https://t.co/YvLu9JaY2O

Just to add to this, a recent ISAG tweet

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1408049820753928197?s=21

Talks about ‘vaccine based elimination’. Tony Holohan our CMO & head of NPHET is supposed to be independent of this psycho ISAG group. Yet he said this exact same thing recently.
Is Ireland now being run by this insane group? The parallels and coordination of media onslaught between NPHET and ISAG over the last two weeks, trying to keep our media full of scaremongering and our country closed is seriously troubling. It’s almost like a power grab & will have very serious ramifications for the citizens of this state.

There is no good reason or any data to show that Ireland needs to delay the next phase of reopening. A phase the U.K. and Europeans are currently already in right now.

ninebeanrows

Fintan OTooles piece is hysterical

2 AZs are extremely good cover against Delta and this cohort will be finished in about 2 weeks

We'll then have all the 40+ plus vulnerable adults and HCW double vaxxed and any hesitation about opening up society would be disgraceful.

giveitholly

So according to Christopher hospital admissions are not increasing across the water

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1408331220270845961?s=19

ninebeanrows

One does question whether the debate over opening on 5 July is simply related to the 60 to 70 AZ issue.

prunudo

ninebeanrows wrote: »

One does question whether the debate over opening on 5 July is simply related to the 60 to 70 AZ issue.

We've got 9 days left to vaccinate them, unless there's a problem with supply, how many will be left without the second dose at that stage.
By then 59-44ish should have second dose too and majority of 43-35 should have 1 dose of pfizer too.
So while they may blame the delta variant, you'd wonder is there an element of arse covering going on over the vaccination programme.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

They can lay low for awhile if they really want. We need to stop acting like snowflakes at this point.

Maybe put yourself in their position and have a rethink.

CruelSummer

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1408498765309300737?s=21

Interesting piece of science fiction here from George Lee. Where did he get the double the hospitalisation figure? The U.K. hospitalisation rates have not gone up. The incidence of Covid in the U.K. has stabilised in all regions bar one. They also had a 12 week gap for mRNA vaccines which we didn’t, as did NI & Scotland.

What is be basing the 97% more transmissible figure on?
PHE are revising down the transmissibility of Delta all the time as data comes in:

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1408406649224589317?s=21

Silentcorner

He needs to send that to Government officials across Europe and the US stat!!!!! Cancel the Euros!

George Lee might very well be the man who saved millions of lives across this planet......


Or he is a f##king joke.

I'll go with the latter!