Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

FintanMcluskey

Carlowgirl wrote: »

I m living with some one. I'm fine just home sick today and then when I hear parties next door All weekend it doesn't help as the reason I'm home sick is that I choose to abide by the restrictions.

Knowing the vulnerable are vaccinated, do you think it would be dangerous to visit friends?

giveitholly

Carlowgirl wrote: »

I m living with some one. I'm fine just home sick today and then when I hear parties next door All weekend it doesn't help as the reason I'm home sick is that I choose to abide by the restrictions.

Is your home in Ireland? If so then I don't mean to be cold hearted but there is nothing stopping you from going home. Why do you need to be told by Government/NPHET when you can visit your family. What is stopping you from visiting anyone,meet them outside,wear masks and social distance if you want. Seriously a lot of people have become paralysed by this government when they could live their lives and still act responsibly

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Knowing the vulnerable* are vaccinated, do you think it would be dangerous to visit friends?

*some of the more vulnerable

Carlowgirl

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Knowing the vulnerable are vaccinated, do you think it would be dangerous to visit friends?

I would meet friends outside or possibly have one around. I don't think that's allowed. That's been the problem all along is that we open up the country when the figures are high and with schools back now they are just going to get higher. There are alot of parties this weekend.
Even with the vaccine they are saying its not going to work for all strains. Its hard to know. I ve sacrificed alot over the last year and just today I felt very down and even lonely knowing there was party on again next door

FintanMcluskey

Ficheall wrote: »

*some of the more vulnerable

About a month ago 30 year olds with underlying conditions were getting vaccinated

The dangers are now much much reduced

Certainly so that we can stop tutting at our neighbours

Carlowgirl

giveitholly wrote: »

Is your home in Ireland? If so then I don't mean to be cold hearted but there is nothing stopping you from going home. Why do you need to be told by Government/NPHET when you can visit your family. What is stopping you from visiting anyone,meet them outside,wear masks and social distance if you want. Seriously a lot of people have become paralysed by this government when they could live their lives and still act responsibly

I do that every few weeks it's just been a few weeks now so I'm feeling it. Weather was supposed to be bad for the weekend so didn't go visit. I'm visiting elderly parebys so it's kinda weather dependant. Or it helps when the weather is good

FintanMcluskey

Carlowgirl wrote: »

I do that every few weeks it's just been a few weeks now so I'm feeling it. Weather was supposed to be bad for the weekend so didn't go visit. I'm visiting elderly parebys so it's kinda weather dependant. Or it helps when the weather is good

So you do visit, if it’s warm

Are your parents vaccinated?

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About a month ago 30 year olds with underlying conditions were getting vaccinated

The dangers are now much much reduced

Certainly so that we can stop tutting at our neighbours

Reduced yes absolutely, but not gone. An awful lot of people in their sixties aren't vaccinated yet, for example. A blanket "the vulnerable" is inaccurate; that's all I was pointing out.

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About a month ago 30 year olds with underlying conditions were getting vaccinated

The dangers are now much much reduced

Certainly so that we can stop tutting at our neighbours

As a 30 year old with an underlying condition, I have not gotten a vaccine yet, or an appointment yet. My danger and the dangers strangers, family and friends pose to me has not been reduced yet.

Carlowgirl

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

About a month ago 30 year olds with underlying conditions were getting vaccinated

The dangers are now much much reduced

Certainly so that we can stop tutting at our neighbours

I'm not tutting. If you read my posts I m saying some people just make no sacrifice s and it gets wearing after a while

Dr. Em

Happydays2020 wrote: »

One thing this pandemic has shown us is that our health system is far better under pressure than what the media have told us for many years. We had the biggest spike in the world post Christmas yet the system did not collapse.

The system did not collapse, no. It came far too close though, even with all non-emergency treatments suspended. I'm only impressed that more medical staff didn't walk away. So many people seem to expect that they have to care for us, even if it breaks them.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/patients-on-top-of-one-another-in-corridors-of-countrys-most-covid-hit-hospital-1064507.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/patients-treated-in-ambulances-as-letterkenny-hospital-faces-unprecedented-pressure-1.4454821%3fmode=amp

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1195908/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-is-like-a-war-zone-health-services-in-louth-under-severe-pressure-as-infection-rates-soar-1.4457752

Carlowgirl

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So you do visit, if it’s warm

Are your parents vaccinated?

Ya I visit if its dry and warm..they are only just fully vaccinated by a week. Hopefully things will start looking brighter.

thebronze14

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Was just saying its hard to know it's going on slll the time. Lock downs do work. Look at India. We would have been just like India if we didn't go into lockdown as we have a third world health care system. If people don't mix the virus can't spread. It's very simple

We are the most suppresses because we have the worst health care system

We are in no way like India in any way, shape form or metric...By western standard our health system is poor in terms of value for the money we pay and also for capacity but is in no way comparable to a third world one. I feel you are getting too worried about the current danger presented by the virus. By all means be careful and if you are worried don't have anyone in your house but get out and meet a friend or two for your own personal well being. Very little risk in it

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

As a 30 year old with an underlying condition, I have not gotten a vaccine yet, or an appointment yet. My danger and the dangers strangers, family and friends pose to me has not been reduced yet.

That’s strange.

Can you get a vaccine with condition?

Carlowgirl

I'm not curtain twitching on the neighbours just saying it's hard today fir me feeling home sick and knowing party number two is on next door. I normally don't pay much heed

FintanMcluskey

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Ya I visit if its dry and warm..they are only just fully vaccinated by a week. Hopefully things will start looking brighter.

They are likely early 70s with no underlying conditions?

Thankfully they are well protected now if Luke O Neill is to be believed

Wolf359f

Dr. Em wrote: »

The system did not collapse, no. It came far too close though, even with all non-emergency treatments suspended. I'm only impressed that more medical staff didn't walk away. So many people seem to expect that they have to care for us, even if it breaks them.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/patients-on-top-of-one-another-in-corridors-of-countrys-most-covid-hit-hospital-1064507.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/patients-treated-in-ambulances-as-letterkenny-hospital-faces-unprecedented-pressure-1.4454821%3fmode=amp

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1195908/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-is-like-a-war-zone-health-services-in-louth-under-severe-pressure-as-infection-rates-soar-1.4457752

I think this pandemic has shown how vulnerable our healthcare system is.
We all know it's overfunded compared to the end results.
It has also shown that those on the ground, Nurses, Doctors, Porters, Cleaners, Cooks (and everyone else I missed) are the key to our health system.

I think we all learnt our healthcare system starts and depends on those listed above and is a lot more robust that we are lead to believe.
Pandemic aside, it's not right for them to go through that week after week with busy weekend A&E's or through winter seasons etc...

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s strange.

Can you get a vaccine with condition?

Cohort 4 & 7 have underlying conditions, so far 197k with underlying conditions have gotten a vaccine.
I really don't understand your question.
Are you not aware that people with underlying conditions are more at risk with covid, which is why they are being vaccinated ahead of healthy people (age risk aside)

Zebra3

quokula wrote: »

Sure drink drivers and joy riders are just enjoying themselves too. I mean, even Jack the Ripper was basically just enjoying himself so you'd have to be a curtain twitching busy body to have interfered with his fun.

And while on your ridiculous rant don't forget to throw "God" in there. Sure he was having the craic while killing millions in the bible.

Sure throw in Hitler, Churchill and the 9/11 crew while you're at it.

Who else could we throw in as well? Hmm, all those paedo priests? Genghis Khan? Pol Pot? And cyclists!!

:rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

Cohort 4 & 7 have underlying conditions, so far 197k with underlying conditions have gotten a vaccine.
I really don't understand your question.
Are you not aware that people with underlying conditions are more at risk with covid, which is why they are being vaccinated ahead of healthy people (age risk aside)

Apologies I was just wondering could you get a vaccine. You said your 30 with an underlying illness who’s not vaccinated. I know 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago with underlying conditions. There was talk months ago about some vulnerable not getting a vaccine but it seems everyone will get it.

I’m aware that people with underlying conditions are getting vaccine first.

The most vulnerable are now vaccinated, the one not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Apologies I was just wondering could you get a vaccine. You said your 30 with an underlying illness who’s not vaccinated. I know 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago with underlying conditions. There was talk months ago about some vulnerable not getting a vaccine but it seems everyone will get it.

I’m aware that people with underlying conditions are getting vaccine first.

The most vulnerable are now vaccinated, the one not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

Just because you know of a few 30 year olds with underlying conditions vaccinated does not mean all 30 year olds with underlying conditions are vaccinated. Maybe those you know are all you care about, which would make sense. The rest wouldn't affect you.
There are approx 600k with an underlying condition, 200k have gotten a vaccine. Just because you know some 30 year olds vaccinated doesn't mean we're all vaccinated.

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just because you know of a few 30 year olds with underlying conditions vaccinated does not mean all 30 year olds with underlying conditions are vaccinated. Maybe those you know are all you care about, which would make sense. The rest wouldn't affect you.
There are approx 600k with an underlying condition, 200k have gotten a vaccine. Just because you know some 30 year olds vaccinated doesn't mean we're all vaccinated.

No, and I didn’t say all those with underlying conditions were .

It just means your condition puts you at less risk than the ones I know and those under 70 with no underlying conditions, from those who analyse the data and implement the vaccination programme

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No, and I didn’t say all those with underlying conditions were .

It just means your condition puts you at less risk than the ones I know and those under 70 with no underlying conditions, from those who analyse the data and implement the vaccination programme

No it doesn't. You do not know my risk. You know of a handful of people in their 30's with a certain medical condition and assume anyone in the country over 30 with that same medical condition has been vaccinated. You also assume people with more severe medical conditions have been vaccinated before those few 30 year old you know.

It's akin to an 18 year old getting vaccinated and assumes everyone else has been vaccinated so it's open game. Pandemic over etc...

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

No it doesn't. You do not know my risk. You know of a handful of people in their 30's with a certain medical condition and assume anyone in the country over 30 with that same medical condition has been vaccinated. You also assume people with more severe medical conditions have been vaccinated before those few 30 year old you know.

It's akin to an 18 year old getting vaccinated and assumes everyone else has been vaccinated so it's open game. Pandemic over etc...

No I don’t know your actual risk, but unless there has been a mistake with the administration, you are deemed much less at risk than those 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago.

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No I don’t know your actual risk, but unless there has been a mistake with the administration, you are deemed much less at risk than those 30 year olds vaccinated a month ago.

Unfortunately you haven't a clue. There were young and healthy people vaccinated before your at risk 30 year old friends, so by your definition your friends were not really at risk.

eagle eye

The lack of patience in the world these days is shocking. Everybody seems to want everything now and it's not just young people. I see people in their 40's driving cars I know they can't afford on top if huge mortgages.
It's the same thing going on during this pandemic and now with vaccines and reopening.

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

Unfortunately you haven't a clue. There were young and healthy people vaccinated before your at risk 30 year old friends, so by your definition your friends were not really at risk.

No my friends (I don’t have many, some were just people I knew) weren’t at risk from a statistics point of view

If would be unlikely for them to end up with serious illness

But that is also the case for most people, the risk factor was determined from historic data by people determining the vaccination administration

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No my friends weren’t at risk from a statistics point of view

If would be unlikely for them to end up with serious illness

But that is also the case for most people, the risk factor was determined from historic data.

So because your friends were not at risk (they were a few posts ago) and were vaccinated, anyone at risk and vaccinated is fair game to you?
Just open up and let it rip?

User1998

Carlowgirl wrote: »

I'm not curtain twitching on the neighbours just saying it's hard today fir me feeling home sick and knowing party number two is on next door. I normally don't pay much heed

Why don’t you visit your parents then and stop worrying about what other people do? Your parents are fully vaccinated and you mentioned working in a hospital so your obviously vaccinated too

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

So because your friends were not at risk (they were a few posts ago) and were vaccinated, anyone at risk and vaccinated is fair game to you?
Just open up and let it rip?

That’s brilliant.

The debate is slipping away from you, so you resort to the old chestnut “open up and let it rip” despite no one saying such.

The point I made was the most vulnerable are vaccinated

Those not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s brilliant.

The debate is slipping away from you, so you resort to the old chestnut “open up and let it rip” despite no one saying such.

The point I made was the most vulnerable are vaccinated

Those not vaccinated are at much less risk of serious illness

No, you're not differentiating between most vulnerable (based on age 70+) with most vulnerable (based on Pre-existing medical conditions) because you know a few 30+ who got vaccinated, so all 30+ with preconditions are vaccinated in your eyes.

PmMeUrDogs

Wolf359f wrote: »

As a 30 year old with an underlying condition, I have not gotten a vaccine yet, or an appointment yet. My danger and the dangers strangers, family and friends pose to me has not been reduced yet.

The danger strangers pose to you HAS been reduced, because many strangers are now vaccinated.


However, if your condition puts you into cohorts 4 or 7, I'd suggest you ring your GP. I'm your age, cohort 4 and was vaccinated recently. My sibling and parent are both cohort 7, vaccinated last week and this coming week, couple of friends are cohort 7 and all vaccinated last week.

If your condition puts you into one of those groups, you should ask your GP about how far down the list they are in their process. From what I can see in my locality, GPs are only starting on cohort 7 the past week or so.

If your condition doesn't put you into one of those groups, then you're not at serious risk of death from covid so will have to wait a bit longer.

Vicxas

Tony has been replaced with a clone, im sure of it. Listen to how positive he sounds:

CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER Dr Tony Holohan has written an open letter to those who are fully vaccinated, advising them to make the most of socialising outdoors and to trust in the protection the Covid-19 vaccine they have received gives them.

Writing to thousands of people who are fully vaccinated after receiving two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine, Dr Holohan wrote that he understood they may be anxious, and advised them on how to “restart” in a safe way.

Jim_Hodge

Vicxas wrote: »

Tony has been replaced with a clone, im sure of it. Listen to how positive he sounds:

The guy can't win. You make fun of him regardless of what he does or says.

Chuzzle7

I have a question that I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer. Ireland has acknowledged airborne spread. Or I mean the HSE has acknowledged airborne transmission. What does this mean going forward? The main advice has always been about distancing where if you cannot work from home, people were ok without masks if they could distance. Does acknowledgement of airborne transmission change this main rule of distancing?

Also since their acknowledgement, does it change what a close contact is? If one person in a workplace tests positive, shouldn't everyone now get tested regardless of the 15 minutes face to face rule?

firemansam4

Isn't it great the way posters are comending people who have indoor gatherings as if they are getting one up against the curtain twitchers as they call them.

Meanwhile where I live in Donegal I would say the majority of people are adhering to the regulations but there are a large section who really don't seem to care at all, who are meeting in large groups and indoor gatherings.
Infection rates are going out of control up here and its going to be businesses and everybody else who is going to suffer up here when we do not open up with the rest of the country.

The same people on here complaining about bussinesses getting destroyed are the ones comending people having indoor gatherings which could ultimately prolong many bussiness closures...

pjohnson

firemansam4 wrote: »

Isn't it great the way posters are comending people who have indoor gatherings as if they are getting one up against the curtain twitchers as they call them.

Meanwhile where I live in Donegal I would say the majority of people are adhering to the regulations but there are a large section who really don't seem to care at all, who are meeting in large groups and indoor gatherings.
Infection rates are going out of control up here and its going to be businesses and everybody else who is going to suffer up here when we do not open up with the rest of the country.

The same people on here complaining about bussinesses getting destroyed are the ones comending people having indoor gatherings which could ultimately prolong many bussiness closures...

Thats been the paradox from day 1.

First Up

There seems to be conflicting advice about mitigating any side effects from the vaccine - especially the second dose which seems to be the more likely to produce a bad reaction.

I have heard of doctors recommending paracetamol before the jab and ibuprofen after it, but the published advice warns against. I hear anecdotal reports of both bad reactions to the jab and the effective use of paracetamol to prevent them.

Is there a balanced (and authoritative) view of these conflicting opinions?

Carlowgirl

User1998 wrote: »

Why don’t you visit your parents then and stop worrying about what other people do? Your parents are fully vaccinated and you mentioned working in a hospital so your obviously vaccinated too

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

PatrickDoherty

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

Jesus christ.

AdamD

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

Using new strains as a reason to not see your vaccinated parents is mental

iamwhoiam

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

Aw come on, you cant live your life waiting for the worst case to happen .Go see them and if you really need to put a mask on and stay outdoors .

eddie73

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

Where does this end?

If you and both your parents are vaccinated, switch off the tv for the next 6 months and enjoy each other's company, doing absolutely everything that you did before the time of covid.

FintanMcluskey

AdamD wrote: »

Using new strains as a reason to not see your vaccinated parents is mental

I blame NPHET for this.

The have got behind a message that the vaccine might not be as effective against variants that don’t exist

Incredibly irresponsible of them

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-says-normal-life-some-way-off-and-vaccination-unlikely-to-fully-halt-covid-19-1.4494969%3fmode=amp

The impact of variants is also unknown. This means that the virus is likely to continue to be in circulation in future years,” the document states.

As recently as April 26th, NPHET spoke about the vaccine not working against variants that don’t exist.

They have a lot to answer for

timsey tiger

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I blame NPHET for this.

The have got behind a message that the vaccine might not be as effective against variants that don’t exist

Incredibly irresponsible of them

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-says-normal-life-some-way-off-and-vaccination-unlikely-to-fully-halt-covid-19-1.4494969%3fmode=amp



As recently as April 26th, NPHET spoke about the vaccine not working against variants that don’t exist.

They have a lot to answer for

Maybe, but people/jurnos have to take responsibility for only half listening too. If NPHET talk of possibilities and relative efficacies and somebody turns this into something else, that's not all on NPHET.

Sweet.Science

Carlowgirl wrote: »

Its not that straight forward when the vaccine doesn't cover new strains or we don't know yet of it does.

You cant leave your house ever again if that's your thought process .

Dr. Em

The perception of Covid danger seems to be linked to our own circle of experience, e.g. those who have seen lots of Covid harm understandably overestimate the danger and those who haven't underestimate it.

Unfortunately, there also seems to be an empathy gap for those suffering anxiety or even post-traumatic stress. (Talk about a mental health crisis - some health staff have seen far too much to cope with.)

On the balance of risk, it is relatively safe to visit those vaccinated, but I don't get the scorn for those who are anxious about it.

FintanMcluskey

timsey tiger wrote: »

Maybe, but people/jurnos have to take responsibility for only half listening too. If NPHET talk of possibilities and relative efficacies and somebody turns this into something else, that's not all on NPHET.

It’s in NPHET’s letter to government on April 22nd

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Bottom of page 3

There is a particular concern about introducing a new variant against which the vaccine may be less effective

So they actually put in a letter that they are worried the vaccine won’t work against a variant that doesn’t exist.

Dr. Em

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s in NPHET’s letter to government on April 22nd

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Bottom of page 3



So they actually put in a letter that they are worried the vaccine won’t work against a variant that doesn’t exist.

Isn't it part of their job to warn the government about potential threats? Would you be against a property developer being warned against a flood that doesn't currently exist, e.g. one that is predicted?

prunudo

timsey tiger wrote: »

Maybe, but people/jurnos have to take responsibility for only half listening too. If NPHET talk of possibilities and relative efficacies and somebody turns this into something else, that's not all on NPHET.

The media have continuously over hyped or misrepresented what nphet or government ministers have said over the last year. Nphet are in a tricky situation, they can't be seen to be hiding information but on the flip side they probably have been guilty of being too honest on occasion.
Even as recently as this week, when the cmo referenced Donegal and the fact they could go back into lockdown if they didn't pull up their socks, one news report I heard used his soundbite but editted out Donegal so it sounded like he was chastising the whole country.