Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

GeorgeBailey

My 6 year old has a cough this morning. Can I book a test for her online or do I need to go through a GP?

Jim_Hodge

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

My 6 year old has a cough this morning. Can I book a test for her online or do I need to go through a GP?

F you looked at the booking site it clearly states over 16s.

JRant

Eod100 wrote: »

This seemed to come out of nowhere. Varadkar mentioned it yesterday morning in radio 1 but seemed more like he was thinking out loud rather than seriously considering it. https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409727294944550913?s=19

Two weeks to put a plan in place or for it to be operational? Because they are two very different things.

TefalBrain

I actually think NPHET have lost their minds now. Time to pull the plug on these chancers

alias no.9

Polar101 wrote: »

The question doesn't make sense. All we know from India is that they had a lot of cases, and now they have fewer cases than they had before. It's unlikely their numbers are exact enough that they should be used in any kind of modeling in Ireland.

The numbers don't need to be exact to use them as a sanity check.
Mortality rates everywhere for a given wave rise rapidly peak for a couple of days and fall off rapidly. By taking their worst case reported daily mortality rate and applying it for a sustained 2 month period, it is revising the mortality rate massively upwards, to account for under reporting.
Adjusting for population, this is nowhere near as bad as NPHET worst case scenario which is more than enough to question the assumptions that underpin the NPHET model.

jam_mac_jam

JRant wrote: »

Two weeks to put a plan in place or for it to be operational? Because they are two very different things.

There isn't a hope anything will be operational in two weeks. They will be still scratching their heads and coming up with plans.

It's actually insane.

Ha, so the age group at least risk are going to be denied from indoor dining. Ireland, 2021.

Except when you’re in a hotel. The room must be magic. Except when you’re at a wedding. Again, magic in play there.

(And what do we do about kids, will they be exempt? Then that’s special treatment, nice bit of money to be made their by lawyers for discrimination cases!)

alias no.9

Goldengirl wrote: »

What isn't ?
And you accusing others of posting nonsense.
Link ?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40324700.html

NPHET are using a worst case prediction of 2170 covid deaths across July, August and September as part of the justification for delaing opening up, it doesn't hold up to any basic scrutiny and was the main topic of discussion when you waded in.

I feel so sorry for the people taken in again by the “we need a two week delay”. It’s a classic case it an abusive relationship with NPHET/Government being the coercive controller.

Come to your senses, they’re always going to want to wait and see another two weeks. They thrive of support of those too weak to understand that it will always be this way if they had their choice.

TefalBrain

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There isn't a hope anything will be operational in two weeks. They will be still scratching their heads and coming up with plans.

It's actually insane.

It is insane.

The fact its even being put out there is insane. Covid has damaged people's mental health much more than anything and I include NPHET and the government in that.

They've lost the plot.

WoollyRedHat

RAI have called plan 'discriminatory and unworkable' and said they had looked at similar jurisdictions that had tried this including Israel and Denmark, where plans were unsuccessful.

I must say we are far too reactionary and are looking like a rabbit in the headlights right about now.

Zebra3

If only we had partially reopened indoor hospitality and could model off those figures.

I’d assume if this has happened NPHET would be doing so...... :rolleyes:

Akabusi

Don't get too worried, the public have been ignoring restrictions for months now and there has been no doomsday scenario. People will continue to ignore them and socialise indoors, sure a lot of the outdoor set-ups in pubs are so good you might as well be indoors.

is_that_so

alias no.9 wrote: »

The numbers don't need to be exact to use them as a sanity check.
Mortality rates everywhere for a given wave rise rapidly peak for a couple of days and fall off rapidly. By taking their worst case reported daily mortality rate and applying it for a sustained 2 month period, it is revising the mortality rate massively upwards, to account for under reporting.
Adjusting for population, this is nowhere near as bad as NPHET worst case scenario which is more than enough to question the assumptions that underpin the NPHET model.

There have been questions about epidemiological modelling for quite some time. It tends to look only at the progression of disease and does not factor in any kind of public effect or response, something economic models always explore.

duffman13

Zebra3 wrote: »

If only we had partially reopened indoor hospitality and could model off those figures.

I’d assume if this has happened NPHET would be doing so...... :rolleyes:

4 weeks since hotels opened for indoor dining. Using our now world class contact tracing I wonder how many spikes we've seen as a result. Data is a available locally and internationally that stack up against this being a mad decision.

How there has been no independent certification of these projections is beyond stupid at this stage

WoollyRedHat

Fergal Bowers saying as per government sources ' there has been no independent analysis of the latest NPHET modelling projections.'

Zebra3

duffman13 wrote: »

4 weeks since hotels opened for indoor dining. Using our now world class contact tracing I wonder how many spikes we've seen as a result. Data is a available locally and internationally that stack up against this being a mad decision.

How there has been no independent certification of these projections is beyond stupid at this stage

Well at least our journalists will be asking hard hitting questions about this astonishing failure.

Right??????

Gael23

Last night sends out a message that vaccines don’t work given that 2000 people are going to die despite the vulnerable being largely vaccinated

WoollyRedHat

duffman13 wrote: »

4 weeks since hotels opened for indoor dining. Using our now world class contact tracing I wonder how many spikes we've seen as a result. Data is a available locally and internationally that stack up against this being a mad decision.

How there has been no independent certification of these projections is beyond stupid at this stage

I'd also say there are a fair few hotels who have a lot of people getting to put on a 'residents hat' to avail of indoor hospitality.

Polar101

alias no.9 wrote: »

The numbers don't need to be exact to use them as a sanity check.

No, but it would be helpful to know what they actually are, if we want to use them for anything. Best to stay in Europe for comparison, at least those numbers are based on something.

AdamD

Do people still believe its a two week delay? Talk of opening it to only vaccinated people possibly by mid-July?


One last **** you to young people in this country

Cork2021

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Fergal Bowers saying as per government sources ' there has been no independent analysis of the latest NPHET modelling projections.'

Yeah just saw that myself there,
I remember MM stating that any modelling would be independently verified or checked before any decisions are made no?

NPHET have overstepped their mark now. Disband them immediately once this most outrageous decision is made!
I for one never want to see any of their smug faces on my tv or social media timelines again. They’re bringing this country into a scary path of misogynistic, egotistical, coerced society!!

Doctor Jimbob

AdamD wrote: »

Do people still believe its a two week delay? Talk of opening it to only vaccinated people possibly by mid-July?


One last **** you to young people in this country

Newstalk this morning saying it will be pushed back by a number of weeks. What’s the number? 2? 8? 112? Who knows.

VinLieger

How the fvck is all of europe open and we are talking about pushing this out by weeks?

Rayne Wooney

Nphet really are dangerous, those figures are genuinely ****ing disturbing.

To end of January 2021, 81 people under 55 died with covid with 131,000 cases in this group. We would need 3.3 million cases to get to 2,000 deaths in August and September, presuming deaths for people over 55 will not amount to much in these months. That’s basically the entire population of that group, despite a good portion of them having a vaccination at that stage and likely all of the vulnerable who made up the 81 deaths in the first place. It’s insanity.

Nphet have no data to back any of this up, this is clear to me now. How wasn’t allowing the vaccinated indoors implemented a month ago? Nphet are saying we can’t open indoor on the 5th, but we can open to the vaccinated 3 weeks later, is that right? What is the justification for revising the plan to heavier restrictions now?

I will support any restaurant/pub that decides to open on Monday, Nphet sabotaging the plan with less than a weeks notice with clearly bogus numbers is scandalous. The plan was ridiculously cautious in the first place, we are going to look back on this as a tragedy in years to come, and it won’t be because of the disease.

ednwireland

VinLieger wrote: »

How the fvck is all of europe open and we are talking about pushing this out by weeks?

that is the elephant in the room, even the uk downgraded the transmissability of delta by 50% last week, friend of mine in the uk are indoor dining and pubs meeting people, i just dont see where nphet are getting their numbers from

Doctor Jimbob

VinLieger wrote: »

How the fvck is all of europe open and we are talking about pushing this out by weeks?

Other countries take other factors such as the economy and reality into account. We just base decisions on whatever number comes out of Philip Nolan's magical modelling box.

I am surprised that people are surprised by this. NPHET have absolutely zero interest in removing any of the big restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, big events, foreign travel etc. And government won't go against NPHET.

And they are SO predictable at this point. Many of us knew they'd call for a delay because of the delta variant and then mention the schools reopening and then they'll be looking for caution over winter. I could write the script for the year right now.

What we really need now is some help from Europe. Lets get an overseas medical team in to give us some honest advice based on science and data.

Doctor Jimbob

Deleted User wrote: »

I am surprised that people are surprised by this. NPHET have absolutely zero interest in removing any of the big restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, big events, foreign travel etc. And government won't go against NPHET.

And they are SO predictable at this point. Many of us knew they'd call for a delay because of the delta variant and then mention the schools reopening and then they'll be looking for caution over winter. I could write the script for the year right now.

What we really need now is some help from Europe. Lets get an overseas medical team in to give us some honest advice based on science and data.

We'll be back to the farce of telling people how dangerous anything involving being indoors or too many people mixing is, while completely ignoring the fact large numbers of people are mixing indoors every day in schools.

ednwireland

think ill be sneaking over through belfast in september, need to see my mum whose in a home and will be 90, havent seen her in 18 months