Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

It looks like it'll be either compromise, or they remain closed.

Government aren't going to reject NPHETs advice a second time after the disaster at Christmas. They had the same pressures then with people telling them to ignore the "scare-mongering" - funnily enough it turned out even NPHET had underestimated how quickly the virus would spread. The situation has changed over the past few weeks owing to Delta, but the exit route of widespread vaccination remains the same.

If businesses can open safely to vaccinated people they should be given the chance to do so. Anyone who says otherwise is crying crocodile tears about the impact this virus is having on the economy.

How long can we keep banging on about Christmas 2020... when god forbid Ireland allowed inter county travel for 7 days!

Things have changed since then. It would be impossible for that scenario to play out again unless you believe that vaccines don't work or that young people are suddenly going to start dropping dead from Covid.

Peter Flynt

I'm not trying to be divisive here but when education staff and students in schools were aghast/shocked at the gaslighting that went on with NPHET telling the public that "schools are safe" with "no evidence of viral transmission" . . . . few on here supported them.
Philip Nolan referred to the international evidence on transmission in schools as not occurring in Ireland as it was, and I quote, "not the Irish experience".

When NPHET/NIAC decided to drop vaccine prioritisation for education staff/gardaí there were many who were believing & supporting NPHET's fake science which went contrary to the actions taken by 22 EU countries and the US.

Well now the shoe is on the other foot as NPHET come looking for your freedoms as the rest of the vaccinated world opens up.

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

It looks like it'll be either compromise, or they remain closed.

Government aren't going to reject NPHETs advice a second time after the disaster at Christmas. They had the same pressures then with people telling them to ignore the "scare-mongering" - funnily enough it turned out even NPHET had underestimated how quickly the virus would spread. The situation has changed over the past few weeks owing to Delta, but the exit route of widespread vaccination remains the same..

At Christmas they closed all hospitality on the 23rd thus reducing the space and facilities people had to socialise in.

People instead socialised in homes this further spreading the virus.

Hopefully one day behavioural science will be utilised in Ireland to fight covid like it was across the globe since March 2020

Ireland will battle covid for years into the future unfortunately

seamus

Address from Meehaul due shortly apparently.

If it's something along the lines of "everything is going ahead except for indoor dining, we'll come back to that in two weeks", then he might just weather it.

If it's a general delay to everything for some wishy-washy reason, then we're looking at the beginning of the end here IMO. "Disagreement in cabinet" to me reads as a rift between Leo and Michael.

SusanC10

Is the whole issue for indoor dining/pubs with NPHET based on alcohol?
Just trying to understand it.

If so, then what is the issue with bringing your unvaccinated child to a café for lunch and sitting inside? Particularly a café which doesn't have a Licence to serve alcohol.

agoodpunt

Just saw a Skynews reporter ask muppet ryan why Ireland will after this week be the only eu country with no in dining? every country is different....

Am sure Npet are laughing privately in the offices at running same said muppets in circles

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

At Christmas they closed all hospitality on the 23rd thus reducing the space and facilities people had to socialise in.

People instead socialised in homes this further spreading the virus.

Hopefully one day behavioural science will be utilised in Ireland to fight covid like it was across the globe since March 2020

Ireland will battle covid for years into the future unfortunately

Surely in some of these meetings they have discussed how people are heading up North for weekends because they are not allowed any freedom down here.

Is it more risky if I have a drink in my local or head North for a weekend...

Same applies for International travel. Soon we'll have thousands off on holidays all over Europe but they still won't be allowed a meal over here.

Sweet.Science

seamus wrote: »

Address from Meehaul due shortly apparently.

If it's something along the lines of "everything is going ahead except for indoor dining, we'll come back to that in two weeks", then he might just weather it.

If it's a general delay to everything for some wishy-washy reason, then we're looking at the beginning of the end here IMO. "Disagreement in cabinet" to me reads as a rift between Leo and Michael.

It's back though . In hotels . And weddings have been increased where the vulnerable are more likely to be .

It's all very strange .

This is the first time we may see successful legal action against the state

Stheno

SusanC10 wrote: »

Is the whole issue for indoor dining/pubs with NPHET based on alcohol?
Just trying to understand it.

If so, then what is the issue with bringing your unvaccinated child to a café for lunch and sitting inside? Particularly a café which doesn't have a Licence to serve alcohol.

On the news they said the NPHET advice is that indoor sociising is incompatible with Delta for the unvaccinated

Klonker

hmmm wrote: »

It looks like it'll be either compromise, or they remain closed.

Government aren't going to reject NPHETs advice a second time after the disaster at Christmas. They had the same pressures then with people telling them to ignore the "scare-mongering" - funnily enough it turned out even NPHET had underestimated how quickly the virus would spread. The situation has changed over the past few weeks owing to Delta, but the exit route of widespread vaccination remains the same.

If businesses can open safely to vaccinated people they should be given the chance to do so. Anyone who says otherwise is crying crocodile tears about the impact this virus is having on the economy.

We're already delaying 2 weeks. Why do need to lock out the unvaccinated at that stage? If Tony was so against antigen like every other country this might actually work but he doesn't.

By 19th July all over 45 who want a vaccine will be fully vaccinated. Close to every one over 35 will have one dose. That's 55% of the adults fully vaccinated and 75% half vaccinated and thats 55% and 75% are our most vulnerable section of the population. And you still defend this? It's an absolute joke. Can't believe some posters are defending this.

Turtwig

TP_CM wrote: »

I think Antigen tests would work if done correctly. But the problem is too many people in society aren't following the existing guidelines. I was at the gym yesterday and nobody was wearing masks. Some were wearing them loosely around their chin. Antigen testing would work but not if people don't want them to. In other words, not if people have a motivation to get a negative result. So on that front, I agree with NPHET. It's not the tests themselves, it's the fact that people are self-serving animals like any other who don't want to be at home any more and think that they're the only ones breaking the rules so it's grand.

This could be easily remedied if the antigen test was performed by a competent person. Self tests wouldn't be acceptable.

SusanC10

Stheno wrote: »

On the news they said the NPHET advice is that indoor sociising is incompatible with Delta for the unvaccinated

But the unvaccinated can book into a hotel and eat/drink indoors there.

I am just trying (and failing) to understand NPHETs reasoning.

SEPT 23 1989

agoodpunt wrote: »

Just saw a Skynews reporter ask muppet ryan why Ireland will after this week be the only eu country with no in dining? every country is different....

Am sure Npet are laughing privately in the offices at running same said muppets in circles

Is Ryan fully awake in the interview?

he is due his afternoon nap

Doctor Jimbob

seamus wrote: »

Address from Meehaul due shortly apparently.

If it's something along the lines of "everything is going ahead except for indoor dining, we'll come back to that in two weeks", then he might just weather it.

If it's a general delay to everything for some wishy-washy reason, then we're looking at the beginning of the end here IMO. "Disagreement in cabinet" to me reads as a rift between Leo and Michael.

Scheduled for 1pm on RTE News Now. Not sure if that's a confirmed time or they've just set aside the slot though.

bloopy

Klonker wrote: »

We're already delaying 2 weeks. Why do need to lock out the unvaccinated at that stage? If Tony was so against antigen like every other country this might actually work but he doesn't.

By 19th July all over 45 who want a vaccine will be fully vaccinated. Close to every one over 35 will have one dose. That's 55% of the adults fully vaccinated and 75% half vaccinated and thats 55% and 75% are our most vulnerable section of the population. And you still defend this? It's an absolute joke. Can't believe some posters are defending this.

Starting to wonder what the uptake for the vaccines were for the under 45's.
This is looking increasingly like an attempt to force uptake rather than recommend.

agoodpunt

Resignation?

Scuid Mhór

Here we go again.

Stheno

SusanC10 wrote: »

But the unvaccinated can book into a hotel and eat/drink indoors there.

I am just trying (and failing) to understand NPHETs reasoning.

Oh I agree with you. Its bonkers

TheDoctor

Well time to go for a lunchtime walk. Couldnt be listening to this scutter.

Atlantic Dawn

Taoiseach on now talking about the dangers of the Beverly Hills 90210 variant...
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1409845386605469698

boggerman1

Mehole on and telling blatant lies.this is complete bull****

lee_baby_simms

SusanC10 wrote: »

But the unvaccinated can book into a hotel and eat/drink indoors there.

I am just trying (and failing) to understand NPHETs reasoning.

NPHET don’t trust the public and in particular young people. They probably think every pub will be wedged like south William street with our hedonistic and reckless youth.

They’re probably working under the assumption that people who stay in hotels are more likely to drink in moderation and stick to the rules.

This current example of overreach just confirms NPHETs low opinion of the public demonstrated by this myopic, paternalistic approach.

People on here have been saying this for the last 12 months but this latest episode has been the clearest example of it yet.

Atlantic Dawn

50 allowed to a wedding, wow, just wow.

Peter Flynt

Martin - "The safest way to now proceed is to limit indoor access to those vaccinated".

harr

I don’t think he even believes what he is saying to be honest.. so indoor hospitality is remaining very restrictive even after the 19th so driving more of the younger population back to having huge house parties.
Utter horse **** all of this ..

nc6000

I think I'll book a holiday.

harr

And no confirmed date for reopening

Atlantic Dawn

I'd love to know what "system" they are coming up with to allow the vaccinated attend indoor dining? The EU Green Cert would seem most logical but perhaps we will instead spend eleventeen billion on a different system.

Sweet.Science

Haha so covid passports will be a thing after all . Just for getting beans on toast and coffee

jammiedodgers

Did he even quote a movie?