Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

shockframe

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Vincent Browne needs to come out of retirement.

Micheal Martin needs to go into retirement.

bucketybuck

A big **** you to all the clappy seals that enabled this current situation. You think NPHET only started being wrong this week? They have been running this scam for over a year now and when anybody tried to question it they got called conspiracy loons and were told to listen to the experts. :rolleyes:

Irelands pandemic response has been rotten to the core for a long long time, it says a lot that it has taken this long for some people to finally realise it.

I'm middle aged and have a vaccine in my arm, and I say with sincerity that what this country has done to its youth is a national shame and a disgrace.

KrustyUCC

Interesting from the NPHET letter

While 75% of the cases are in people under 40 years of age, 99.9% of the deaths are in people over 40 years of age.

So even optimistic scenario has 165 deaths or 55 deaths a month thanks to covid

The central modelling has 187,000 cases so 46,750 cases over 40 yet 545 deaths which is 181 deaths per month and a death per every 86 cases in over 40s

ednwireland

it seems we are following a zero covid plan but with allowing international travel , not enough testing, no antigen testing, poor or no track and trace, people leaving MHQ etc etc

however i dont expect anything less than total incompetance form holohan considering his track record

ShooterSF

seamus wrote: »

Indoor dining for vaccinated only until August is a good call.

Is it? Are 50 year olds going to carry vaccine certs and age cards/passports/licenses with them to get a pint? Are we back to sisters and brothers lending each other IDs but in their 30s now instead of their teens. Every bar or restaurant will need a door person like a nightclub. Then you have the fights with parents who want to bring their kids in, fights with the crazy people who think vaccines give you 5g syndrome. What if a table of 8 books in to your small premises and it turns out one hasn't got their cert? Do you refuse entry and leave a huge table empty all night? It is a suggestion put forward by someone who never worked in the hospitality industry and I say that as someone who has supported most things the govt have done up to now.
More importantly if it isn't safe for a 20 year old to sit in a bar/restaurant for an hour or 2 without a vaccine what about all the staff in their 20s/30s serving everyone and being there for 8-12 hours? And they'll have to eat there anyway cause they can't go anywhere else to eat on a break...

rob316

Government are also gambling in the hope that other countries will follow and do the same to deal with Delta. They'll be seen as the heroes then.
Go watch the Euros and they are doing the opposite people are on top of each other.

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Interesting from the NPHET letter

While 75% of the cases are in people under 40 years of age, 99.9% of the deaths are in people over 40 years of age.

So even optimistic scenario has 165 deaths or 55 deaths a month thanks to covid

The central modelling has 187,000 cases so 46,750 cases over 40 yet 545 deaths which is 181 deaths per month and a death per every 86 cases in over 40s

Complete bs

BringBackMick

When will snake oil Nolan come out and give his 10 part tweet to explain his modelling

Be interested to see it

Relax brah

People are upset now but this was the right thing to do.

bikeman1

The CMO and Head of the Modelling group Philip Nolan should hang their heads in shame. I have been a long standing critic of theirs for 13 months now, but they really have overstepped the mark on this one.

Let's take the modelling, if I produced a piece of work like that in my job (taxation) I would be told where to go. Your tax bill could be somewhere between €5,000 and €500,000 this year Madam. What about my credits and allowances? Oh yes, ignore those. How will I have a tax bill so high? You could get a really well paid job and have that tax bill. It's all pie in the sky stuff.

Facts and vaccinations have not played one part in their calculations, yet are the only show in town with huge take up amongst all those allowed to get one. Once again the government have just bounced themselves into this crap. No plan, no idea, no clue.

They are living in a vacuum that is so so far out of touch with the reality on the ground. The people have already moved on and will further. All this does is keep those in society who have low paid, hard working jobs continue in their suffering for longer, unnecessarily.

Finally, if anyone in government thinks I am going to be giving someone my vaccination status to sit inside to have a coffee or a meal in a restaurant must not understand how our private health information is just that private.

Doctor Jimbob

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Remember when people were ridiculed for saying this summer would be more restricted than last?

Ha.

I'll admit I was wrong as I thought the government would read the room. Expect most to continue poo-pooing everything they disagree with as uniformed or conspiracy theory.

boggerman1

Michael gove said during the brexit shambles that people were sick of experts.we all laughed at him.who’s laughing now

Doctor Jimbob

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll admit I was wrong as I thought the government would read the room. Expect most to continue poo-pooing everything they disagree with as uniformed or conspiracy theory.

I've thought the same, more than once. I won't be making the same mistake again.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Complete bs

Yup and that's the most optimistic and second most optimistic cases modelled after a scenario with no Delta caes

Here's the full modelling

No Delta

Cases 21,000
Hospital Admissions 405
ICU 55
Deaths 80

Optimistic

Cases 81,000
Hospital Admissions 1,530
ICU 195
Deaths 165

Central 1

Cases 187,000
Hospital Admissions 3,490
ICU 450
Deaths 545

Central 2

Cases 408,000
Hospital Admissions 7,690
ICU 985
Deaths 1,230

Pessimistic

Cases 681,900
Hospital Admissions 12,985
ICU 1,685
Deaths 2,170

Based on 1 July 2021 to 30 September 2021

funnydoggy

Relax brah wrote: »

People are upset now but this was the right thing to do.

Not in the slightest.

Tacitus Kilgore

boggerman1 wrote: »

Michael gove said during the brexit shambles that people were sick of experts.we all laughed at him.who’s laughing now

Still us, the UK is still a joke.

I'd still have NPHET over anyone that holds a semblance of power over in that backwater.

rob316

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup and that's the most optimistic and second most optimistic cases modelled after a scenario with no Delta caes

Here's the full modelling

No Delta

Cases 21,000
Hospital Admissions 405
ICU 55
Deaths 80

Optimistic

Cases 81,000
Hospital Admissions 1,530
ICU 195
Deaths 165

Central 1

Cases 187,000
Hospital Admissions 3,490
ICU 450
Deaths 545

Central 2

Cases 408,000
Hospital Admissions 7,690
ICU 985
Deaths 1,230

Pessimistic

Cases 681,900
Hospital Admissions 12,985
ICU 1,685
Deaths 2,170

Based on 1 July 2021 to 30 September 2021

The optimistic projections are even off the wall. That's on par with what happened in January

shockframe

Relax brah wrote: »

People are upset now but this was the right thing to do.

Agreed. Right to be upset.

Tacitus Kilgore

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Still us, the UK is still a joke.

I'd still have NPHET over anyone that holds a semblance of power over in that backwater.

ok well keep your fantasies for the personal issues ok.
It's a disgrace and 100% fans the flames of conspiracy.

They only passed laws last year on coercive control and here they are breaking them.. gas stuff.

cheezums

cheezums wrote: »

Absolutely gutted for certain restaurants and pubs who were hanging on by a thread. This was last chance saloon for them. They are done now.

I think it was the start of this year or end of last year I really felt for the people who tried to do the "right" thing. Pay rent and stupid overheads, keep things ready for re-opening etc. As it turns out just making some quick investments to ahem, lose any cash in the business then shutting up shop and liquidating and being ready to re-open with some savings you forgot about would have been the far smarter move for an awful lot of people.

Tacitus Kilgore

rusty cole wrote: »

ok well keep your fantasies for the personal issues ok.
It's a disgrace and 100% fans the flames of conspiracy.

They only passed laws last year on coercive control and here they are breaking them.. gas stuff.

What?



Off to the restrictions thread with ye

Beechwoodspark

Relax brah wrote: »

People are upset now but this was the right thing to do.

Fully agree

If we want our politicians to be guided by medical advice from public health experts then this is the outcome.

FintanMcluskey

bucketybuck wrote: »

A big **** you to all the clappy seals that enabled this current situation. You think NPHET only started being wrong this week? They have been running this scam for over a year now and when anybody tried to question it they got called conspiracy loons and were told to listen to the experts. :rolleyes:

Irelands pandemic response has been rotten to the core for a long long time, it says a lot that it has taken this long for some people to finally realise it.

I'm middle aged and have a vaccine in my arm, and I say with sincerity that what this country has done to its youth is a national shame and a disgrace.

Completely agree here

The lies and overestimated claims from nPHEt didn't start this week, it started in May/June last year

When guards were patrolling outdoor amenities this spring and fining people for exercising past 5km of their homes was when it was too late for Ireland

namloc1980

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fully agree

If we want our politicians to be guided by medical advice from public health experts then this is the outcome.

They're not being guided - they are rubber stamping whatever NPHET say without challenge or discussion. Is that what you want from your elected officials? Really? No other considerations: economic, other health concerns matter?

kilns

Ficheall wrote: »

Not that I'm agreeing with their modelling, but based on the table, is their No Delta variant not 21000/~90 = 233 cases per day, which is well below what we've been having?

Perhaps, I though it was from 31 July to 30 Sept. Even at that 233 is quite pessimistic. Here is Switzerland (nearly double the population and similar vaccine rate) we are at 70 per day now

RGS

Met the local restaurant owner whilst walking the dog this lunch hour. Ive cant remember the last time I saw a person so drained of life. No sparkle in his eyes it was really sad.

Does MM, NPHET or the government care--- NO


MM going on about no independent evaluation of NPHETs modelling is unbelievable. Surely if a government is presented with these projections last minute before a major decision they should be questioning the figures and seeking a second opinion.

The government are really scared of NPHET.

Valhallapt

Tony Holohan isn't Jesus. It's the same mentality that lets Nphet go unquestioned that allowed priests and nuns go unchecked. Can't keep ignoring science and putting nphet above scrutiny. How is it every other country in Europe came to a different answer than Tony?

First Up

FintanMcluskey wrote:

At Christmas they closed all hospitality on the 23rd thus reducing the space and facilities people had to socialise in.

People instead socialised in homes this further spreading the virus.

Because they didn't take the precautions they were told they should.

At some point personal responsibility comes into it. Blame the government, NPHET and the media all you like but the blunt truth is that its peoples' behaviour that gives the virus to others.

bucketybuck

RGS wrote: »

The government are really scared of NPHET.

There is a real question to be asked about the competence of the people tasked with handling this pandemic.

If a project team in a private company showed this ongoing level of indecision, incompetence and frankly baffling responses then at some point senior management would have a review and remove them from the project.

Too many people assume that those in power actually know what they are doing when in fact they are just people and just as likely to be incompetent as any other group.

We have an unelected group with their own motives advising another group of people who don't know what they are talking about, and they are all being allowed to destroy the lives of millions.

Whats happening in this country should be the cause for a full scale public enquiry, but we all know they will just give themselves medals instead. Makes me sick.

FintanMcluskey

First Up wrote: »

Because they didn't take the precautions they were told they should.

At some point personal responsibility comes into it. Blame the government, NPHET and the media all you like but the blunt truth is that its peoples' behaviour that gives the virus to others.

Absolutely

Which is why the rest of Europe allowed hospitality facilities to remain open

They accounted for human behaviour traits and allowed people to socialise in safer environments and not congregate in the home