Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

is_that_so

lucernarian wrote: »

It wouldn't explain the population of Denmark's eagerness to get the vaccine though. Also over 12 months we've avoided marginally useless measures like curfews (unlike the Netherlands)

Curfews make no sense to us but they do in the likes of France and the Med where people tend to go out and stay out a lot later.

shinzon

JTMan wrote: »

Meanwhile the UK are going ahead with their Freedom Day on 19 July according to the Sunday Times here (paywall):

That's just going to be a mess tbh

Shin

Sweet.Science

shinzon wrote: »

That's just going to be a mess tbh

Shin

Thanks for letting us know

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

Curfews make no sense to us but they do in the likes of France and the Med where people tend to go out and stay out a lot later.

And the Netherlands too?

Jim_Hodge

WertdeerSC wrote: »

I know it's only a small sample size, but I know of one person who died and another who had a blood clot on the brain and stroke within 2 and 6 days resepctively of their second vaccine. I don't know of anyone who had any serious or even moderate complications from a C-19 infection. I know one who had a cold for a week, and two others with zero symptoms. All I can speak about here is personal experience. I am not a C-19 denier.

You could have fooled me. Your two posts to this point say otherwise.

As for the outcomes you claim to have experienced: lucky you. Many haven't had such fortunate outcomes among their families and friends.

But this has been done ad infinitum. Where have you been for the past 18 months?

is_that_so

lucernarian wrote: »

And the Netherlands too?

If they've implemented one I'd assume so. No personal experience of it.

prunudo

is_that_so wrote: »

Curfews make no sense to us but they do in the likes of France and the Med where people tend to go out and stay out a lot later.

If anything, the way curfews would happen here is, people all pile into a house party before curfew kicks in, then stay put for the night. Only thing it would stop is people going home early or going to multiple houses, which I would imagine is rare enough anyway.

I still can't help but feel though that our overall continued highish but stable cases numbers stem from the extended restrictions. People don't care anymore, they're breaking house gathering rules as there are very few outlets to socialise at present. At least having indoor hospitality open it could be done under controlled conditions.

zackory

shinzon wrote: »

That's just going to be a mess tbh

Shin

Yeah they will be back in lockdown when the highly transmissible slow burner India double mutant vaccine resistant wave rips through the UK in August.

daithi7

Reasons NPHET are Wrong about the Delta & other variants:

-1.75m Irish people are now fully vaccinated

- 4,236 ,206 vaccination shots have been administered in total

- So a very large percentage of the Irish population are already vaccinated with vaccination rolling out at huge pace each day ( e.g by ~300,000 shots /week)

- These people are likely immune to delta & any other variants of Covid 19

- in addition to this, a large portion of the remaining (yet to be vaccinated) population cohort, will already have had covid (estimated at between ~10-30%), and these people are also likely immune to any covid variants

- Further, ~250,000 Irish people have already been recorded as having had covid & fully recovered & hence are also immune!!
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/ireland/

- There are now only 14 cases of covid in ICU in Ireland, just 14, and just 46 cases currently in hospital in the whole country.

- the number of covid cases detected per day is steady at 448/ day

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...virus-ireland/

- And finally, the Delta & other more prevalent variants of Covid, are more infectious, but far less debilitating & deadly for those who contract it, leading to far less serious illness, less hospitalisations & less resultant deaths per 1000 cases.

So NPHET are keeping Ireland under the most restrictive lockdown measures in Western Europe, for a relatively non-deadly, non-life threatening, virus variant, with a 60% vaccinated population in the middle of summer, with only 14 cases in ICU!?

Surely people can see that this is NPHET simply wetting the bed (again!), & health & safety gone totally madl!?

TefalBrain

NPHET are going to have to dream up some other variant or way to scare people now. Delta is a wet fart and the vaccines are keeping the vulnerable and old free from any effects. The tsunami of cases they are hoping for isn't even coming forward and people have being going about life normally now for weeks here.

It's time for Martin to at least act like a leader and tell NPHET to stand down and let's get people back working and paying taxes. We face an incredibly rough few years ahead trying to pay for all the over the top measures we had to put in place and we must knuckle down asap without delay.

is_that_so

TefalBrain wrote: »

NPHET are going to have to dream up some other variant or way to scare people now. Delta is a wet fart and the vaccines are keeping the vulnerable and old free from any effects. The tsunami of cases they are hoping for isn't even coming forward and people have being going about life normally now for weeks here.

It's time for Martin to at least act like a leader and tell NPHET to stand down and let's get people back working and paying taxes. We face an incredibly rough few years ahead trying to pay for all the over the top measures we had to put in place and we must knuckle down asap without delay.

That so-called tsunami is based on something we are not doing next Monday and one might argue yet again that the next two weeks are crucial. They are for two reasons, one is to see how UK data goes, which is where our projected numbers are coming from, and the second is to go hell for leather on vaccinations this month so that the available pool shrinks substantially. Now there is no great confidence that July 19 will mark a difference in approach but no appreciable increase in hospitalisations should put the government in a better position to make decisions.

zackory

is_that_so wrote: »

That so-called tsunami is based on something we are not doing next Monday.

Getting the excuses in early.

Even though indoor hospitality will stay closed people will just work around it with house parties and events so the increase in social mixing in uncontrolled environments will increase.

There is zero garda enforcement of this and you rarely hear of sheebeens and house parties being raided lately.

GeorgeBailey

zackory wrote: »

Getting the excuses in early.

Even though indoor hospitality will stay closed people will just work around it with house parties and events so the increase in social mixing in uncontrolled environments will increase.

There is zero garda enforcement of this and you rarely hear of sheebeens and house parties being raided lately.

As well as that they've said there's no limit on private gatherings where everyone is vaccinated. So if the gards did show up everyone says they're vaccinated but never thought to bring the little vaccine card. So essentially there's no limit on numbers at private gatherings, whether they're vaccinated or not.

beaz2018

shinzon wrote: »

That's just going to be a mess tbh

Shin

You hope

zackory

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

As well as that they've said there's no limit on private gatherings where everyone is vaccinated. So if the gards did show up everyone says they're vaccinated but never thought to bring the little vaccine card. So essentially there's no limit on numbers at private gatherings, whether they're vaccinated or not.

Attendances at sports events and concerts are increasing too, in fact some attendance increases were brought forward.

Along with a lot of pubs, restaurants, hotels and other hospitality businesses bending the rules more and more each day.

Like the pub & b+b I know allowing an increasing number of non resident punters in as each week passes.

Like I said they are getting the excuse in early.

RayCon

TefalBrain wrote: »

NPHET are going to have to dream up some other variant or way to scare people now. Delta is a wet fart and the vaccines are keeping the vulnerable and old free from any effects. The tsunami of cases they are hoping for isn't even coming forward and people have being going about life normally now for weeks here.

It's time for Martin to at least act like a leader and tell NPHET to stand down and let's get people back working and paying taxes. We face an incredibly rough few years ahead trying to pay for all the over the top measures we had to put in place and we must knuckle down asap without delay.

Ah .... I've spotted a problem

beaz2018

I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

is_that_so

zackory wrote: »

Getting the excuses in early.

Even though indoor hospitality will stay closed people will just work around it with house parties and events so the increase in social mixing in uncontrolled environments will increase.

There is zero garda enforcement of this and you rarely hear of sheebeens and house parties being raided lately.

If, as almost everyone except NPHET believes, the cases don't happen it does very much weaken their recommendations. The acceleration of the vaccination programme too will have an effect.

Silentcorner

beaz2018 wrote: »

I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

MM has regressed back into the school teacher he is....this pandemic has got the better of him as well, I'd say it's safe to say the Cabinet have been crippled with fear since it took office led by MM.

Which is why they are happy to outsource decisions it to Nphet.

By any and every metric we have made a complete shambles of this, is any one really surprised?

I said it months ago...he is like a guy playing three card monte, he hasn't a clue what is happening!!

Happydays2020

In my view:

- delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.
- the next 2/3 weeks will see the vast majority of 40 plus fully vaccinated.
- the new arrangements for those less than 35 on vaccinations will also have an effect.
- we are on the home straight.

Despite all this, NPHET overplayed their card on the modelling. Same as they did on masks and have done on antigen tests.

Backstreet Moyes

beaz2018 wrote: »

I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

Does he not understand people are just drinking in houses and very few people care anymore.

When the ridiculous model is completely wrong all it will prove is they got it wrong like every other time.

Do we do any accountability in this country it seems you get promoted for being a failure.

zackory

Happydays2020 wrote: »

In my view:

- delay in indoor hospitality by a few weeks was probably on balance the correct decision.

It's not a few weeks delay though, Holohan wants it closed until september unless there is an enforceable vaccinated only system in place.

There is no date for indoor to open, they have collectively kicked the can down the road for a couple of weeks and see what happens then.

AdamD

beaz2018 wrote: »

I saw MM saying yesterday that if nolans models are wrong it will be great news, it will have meant we kept more people safe. FFS it wont come cost free you simpleton.

I don't think the cost of staying closed has been seirously discussed in public since October.

Peter Flynt

Silentcorner wrote: »

MM has regressed back into the school teacher he is....

Nothing wrong with being a teacher.
Try it sometime.
I can assure you that being a teacher is a much tougher job than being Taoiseach......most jobs, in fact, are tougher.

leahyl

AdamD wrote: »

I don't think the cost of staying closed has been seirously discussed in public since October.

Once we get to this October, maybe it will be, with the budget :-P

Happydays2020

zackory wrote: »

It's not a few weeks delay though, Holohan wants it closed until september unless there is an enforceable vaccinated only system in place.

There is no date for indoor to open, they have collectively kicked the can down the road for a couple of weeks and see what happens then.

I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.

VinLieger

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being a teacher.
Try it sometime.
I can assure you that being a teacher is a much tougher job than being Taoiseach......most jobs, in fact, are tougher.

Of course there's nothing wrong with being a teacher, but we don't need a teacher we need a Taoiseach

zackory

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.

Yeah they need to come up with a workaround next week that makes nphet feel relevant and important but let's society get on with it.

Same with attendances at stadiums, 25% capacity next weekend and 50% soon after.

The time for small scale progression has passed.

Backstreet Moyes

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I expect we will see it open before the end of the month. The kick back has been fierce and TDs are feeling the heat.

There is now talk of vaccinated ok and antigen testing for others.

They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.

zackory

Nuts102 wrote: »

They are following the science so I don't see why they would open up because people are fed up.

Of course they are, look at the disaster in the hospitals in the North because they didn't follow the science.

They are bringing in 6 hospital ships to help cope.