Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

is_that_so

zackory wrote: »

68% full vaccinated, and if everybody else is done end of August that would mean almost everybody will have one dose by end of July.

There is simply no basis for continuing with the current level of restrictions.

NPHET should be told to meet again tomorrow, and give recommendations based on the latest information.

Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly. I so find it quite ironic that we are looking to the much-maligned HSE to give us good news on this.

zackory

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, it's very early July and we don't yet have that Romanian or any other deal over the line so that would be premature. July 19 would be an ideal time to address this uncertainty properly.

As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.

is_that_so

US having issues with vaccine resistance according to a new poll.

Such resistance is particularly strong among Republicans: a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Sunday found that 86% of Democrats but only 45% of Republicans have received at least one shot.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/03/fauci-delta-variant-cases-vaccines

PmMeUrDogs

As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

*Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update

Swaine

Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416

is_that_so

zackory wrote: »

As I already said we need a dynamic plan based on what vaccines end up being jabbed into people.

A meeting on July 19th would be another week of a leak circus and another couple of weeks after that before businesses organise staff and stock again to try and get open (again)

Meet now, put roadmaps in place so that everybody knows where things are leaning.

That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.

bucketybuck

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

As of midnight, Saturday 3rd July, we are reporting 562* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

14 in ICU. 48 in hospital.

*Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update

Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?

giveitholly

If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?

Deeper Blue

bodhrandude wrote: »

I see on the Glastonbury Covid thread they are talking about someone called Christina Pagel, who is she? I googled and she is a mathematician professor and apparently has something to do with campaigning for an extension to the UK 19th July opening.

She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored

is_that_so

giveitholly wrote: »

If and I know it's a big if they bring in Antigen testing for indoor dining will hotels have to abide by that rule or will it be as it is now?

They don't like the idea of a digital pass, nor do the hospitality bodies so we can can probably expect a plan on antigen testing.

jackboy

Swaine wrote: »

Imagine trying to pay wages and other bills in this situation. Absolutely mental stuff.

https://twitter.com/BreweryTap2/status/1411657152167612416

Outdoor dining doesn’t work in Ireland as a solo option. Only useful as something alongside indoor dining.

PmMeUrDogs

bucketybuck wrote: »

Are we going to have another month where they don't announce the death rates?

Probably, but they made damn sure to announce when we hit the big 5000 :rolleyes:

zackory

is_that_so wrote: »

That's what the HSE have been doing with vaccines - version 31 of their plan. The roadmap is already there and had been mapped out from tomorrow. I think are taking these two weeks for UK data. Hospitality may well get another deferral on 19 July but we really need to see how how other things will be affected. Logically outside should be OK but indoor activities, including offices and the absolutely essential higher capacity on transport are waiting further out, along with fairly urgent decisions on income support.

There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.

beaz2018

Deeper Blue wrote: »

She's a zero covid lunatic with no credibility. Like Tomas Ryan or one of that crew here. Best ignored

What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.

OwenM

Smee_Again wrote: »

A few under 50s I work with have long covid and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

There’s a wide range of outcomes between 100% recovered and death.

Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

Deeper Blue

beaz2018 wrote: »

What is it about these academics, they are all complete lunatics. Even the medical people are far more balanced.

There's loads of good ones too, it's just that the lunatics shout the loudest so they're most visible. The ones with any credibility let their research do their talking and don't waste their time posting clickbait on twitter or appearing on Claire Byrne.

is_that_so

zackory wrote: »

There is no roadmap for indoor hospitality, you seem to think it was deferred for 2 weeks but that is not the case.

By July 19th they aim to have another "plan" in place on how to implement indoor hospitality, the plan based on allowing vaccinated people indoors etc. but there are no dates associated with this "plan" at all.

Well, there are all sort of dates for other activities so you seem to be blind to the existence of a roadmap. What exactly does a roadmap for hospitality look like? It's basically binary, we can do it or we can't. All that's missing is a date.

Jim_Hodge

OwenM wrote: »

Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

Agreed, but in fairness and keeping the post they were replying to in mind, that poster's own anecdotes are no reason to throw all caution to the wind and to avoid being vaccinated. The context of the post you replied to is critical.

is_that_so

beaz2018 wrote: »

shes the english aoife mclysath. they retweet each other all the time. Poisonous c1nts

I think you'll find that last word is better spelt specimens, creatures or even hallions! :P

zackory

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, there are all sort of dates for other activities so you seem to be blind to the existence of a roadmap. What exactly does a roadmap for hospitality look like? It's basically binary, we can do it or we can't. All that's missing is a date.

Giving a date was never a problem before, 5th July, now its like, we will have a plan for planning a date ready by 19th July and then we will see about rolling out a plan.

68% projected fully vaccinated by end of July and we still might not know when hospitality is allowed open indoors.

Swaine

OwenM wrote: »

Anecdotes are not a rationale for locking down entire industries.

Exactly. It's like saying "my Aunt's back is fcuked for like after a car crash so lets ban driving".

Such nonsense.

landofthetree

zackory wrote: »

Just listened to Paul Reid on the radio, with the latest vaccine roll out (Romania source and younger groups etc.) we are looking at 68% of adults vaccinated by end of July and any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be done by end of August.

We need a dynamic plan, if this schedule is still in place on 19th July then everything should be allowed open with restrictions on capacity, occupancy and a selft declared "I am vaccinated" protocol for entering premises etc.

There is simply no justification for prolonging this now, unless the arrival of vaccines slips (unlikely) and if it does we roll the plan back a week or 2.

Nphet are just going to point out we cant have herd immunity unless we vaccinate children when all adults are done.



https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1410979205970595842

podgeandrodge

The authorities would be doing everyone a favour if they stopped reporting cases, and just reported deaths/hospitalisations and let people judge the situation on its merit.

is_that_so

zackory wrote: »

Giving a date was never a problem before, 5th July, now its like, we will have a plan for planning a date ready by 19th July and then we will see about rolling out a plan.

68% projected fully vaccinated by end of July and we still might not know when hospitality is allowed open indoors.

Well we do, if we go by NPHET - a digital cert with a robust enforcement process. Realistically if the projected numbers don't transpire we are likely to see movement on the antigen test approach. TBF the original expert group were quite quick in their feedback. It's now a question of which one(s) and how. We've also got the examples of other countries to look at.

Valhallapt

podgeandrodge wrote: »

The authorities would be doing everyone a favour if they stopped reporting cases, and just reported deaths/hospitalisations and let people judge the situation on its merit.

That would require the government putting trust and responsibility on its citizens, that would be a big u turn from the contempt they have shown the great unwashed up to now

zackory

is_that_so wrote: »

Well we do, if we go by NPHET - a digital cert with a robust enforcement process. Realistically if the projected numbers don't transpire we are likely to see movement on the antigen test approach. TBF the original expert group were quite quick in their feedback. It's now a question of which one(s) and how. We've also got the examples of other countries to look at.

That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

Coillte_Bhoy

zackory wrote: »

That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

I was in two hotels recently for lunch, both have created very nice outdoor areas but on both occasions i was shown to a table indoors, i had to ask could i sit outside. The weather was beautiful on both days too.

CIARAN_BOYLE

zackory wrote: »

That is a non runner and should never have been suggested.

Hospitality won't be paying for enforcers to stand at every entrance to execute this.

Hotels are already letting people in off the street for food and pubs are having lockins indoors, there is no enforcement of this.

One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.

is_that_so

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.

Their position just after the advice is that they might need to develop it but it probably will not be needed. Antigen testing and tracking the UK data seems to be the plan. If we are up to 68% of adults fully vaccinated by the end of the month this may all be moot.

zackory

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

One of the industry bodies came out today and said that its a non runner.

So what's happens now. Do government come out and say the industry bodies don't want a vaccine passport scheme so indoor hospitality can stay closed.

Do government have to back down and open up without a scheme.

If independence day goes ahead in the UK on July 19th then we could be looking at some kind of voluntary scheme that makes it look like we are all playing along.