Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Cork2021

JTMan wrote: »

Regarding what Winter 2021 will look like ...

Telegraph reporting on newly released papers from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the UK:
- Criticised the UK for not keeping "baseline" restrictions such as face masks and working from home.
- Sage say "it is highly likely that transmission will increase in autumn and winter".
- Sage say stricter restrictions could be needed this autumn and winter, despite promises of an "irreversible" route out of lockdown.
- The healthcare burden of other infections* is also an important consideration.

i.e work-from-home and face masks etc are likely to be reintroduced in the UK in the Autumn/Winter.

*The WSJ are reporting that there has surge in other respiratory viruses in the US as life gets back to normal and peoples immunity is low. Perhaps an early sign of a surge in respiratory cases this Autumn/Winter on top of some covid cases.

Difficult to see how Winter will not have some light restrictions like masks and work-from-home.

So basically the common cold will be more frequent and we’ll all get the shîts once we stop wearing masks??

Cork2021

JTMan wrote: »

Regarding what Winter 2021 will look like ...

Telegraph reporting on newly released papers from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the UK:
- Criticised the UK for not keeping "baseline" restrictions such as face masks and working from home.
- Sage say "it is highly likely that transmission will increase in autumn and winter".
- Sage say stricter restrictions could be needed this autumn and winter, despite promises of an "irreversible" route out of lockdown.
- The healthcare burden of other infections* is also an important consideration.

i.e work-from-home and face masks etc are likely to be reintroduced in the UK in the Autumn/Winter.

*The WSJ are reporting that there has surge in other respiratory viruses in the US as life gets back to normal and peoples immunity is low. Perhaps an early sign of a surge in respiratory cases this Autumn/Winter on top of some covid cases.

Difficult to see how Winter will not have some light restrictions like masks and work-from-home.

So basically the common cold will be more frequent and we’ll all get the shîts once we stop wearing masks??

Jim_Hodge

bodhrandude wrote: »

Tell me then, what was the point of been issued a vaccine card by the GP, what do you use that for then?

It was basically an appointment card. Many people getting their second jabs today hadn't got it and they were just given another one.

Cork2021

The only time I’ve wished I lived in England! The optional choice of wearing a mask! I fûcking detest them! Rotten fûcking things! 50plus hours a week disaster and then tools not wearing them right or at all! Pisses me off!

TefalBrain

Deleted User wrote: »

Turned on the Irish news for 5 mins and some expert is on. The general gist was:

The UK are mad for throwing caution to the wind.
AstraZeneca is not as good against Delta.
Antigen tests not accurate.
We all hope to one day have some kind of normality again.

Negative rubbish

It's all about keeping the levels of fear through the roof. Doom sells.

The reality is the this virus is no more than a cold to the unvaccinated age groups now.

Goldengirl

Cork2021 wrote: »

So basically the common cold will be more frequent and we’ll all get the shîts once we stop wearing masks??

You might.yes.
A lot of people will contract flu and enteroviruses causing illness, which can be severe in some especially elderly and children.
It is one burden we thankfully did not have last year because of mask wearing.
Just back to normal but with Delta cases as well.

Goldengirl

TefalBrain wrote: »

It's all about keeping the levels of fear through the roof. Doom sells.

The reality is the this virus is no more than a cold to the unvaccinated age groups now.

Are you vaccinated or do you think it's not worth getting a jab because "it's just a cold" ?

Cork2021

Goldengirl wrote: »

You might.yes.
A lot of people will contract flu and enteroviruses causing illness, which can be severe in some especially elderly and children.
It is one burden we thankfully did not have last year because of mask wearing.
Just back to normal but with Delta cases as well.

Fair enough, we didn’t lockdown or have any restrictions when these were prevalent in our society in late 2019?
Genuine question.. once covid does become endemic like the flu et al. Do expect us to continue restrictions?

hmmm

JTMan wrote: »

Difficult to see how Winter will not have some light restrictions like masks and work-from-home.

I don't see WFH as "light", it's a constraint on businesses. On the other hand, there has to be a big push to get employees not to turn up for work if sick.

Facemasks - yeah trivial, no issues with that.

I'd like to see lots of available tests, and really easy to get. Walk-in test centres in urban areas.

Big push on the Flu vaccine this year.

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Under no circumstances would I want restrictions because large numbers of people who chose not to get vaccinated end up sick. I appreciate there might be a large burden on hospitals, but I don't think the social cohesion will be there to endure much in the way of restrictions because of the actions of that group.

Goldengirl

Cork2021 wrote: »

Fair enough, we didn’t lockdown or have any restrictions when these were prevalent in our society in late 2019?
Genuine question.. once covid does become endemic like the flu et al. Do expect us to continue restrictions?

No. We didn't because those are not novel viruses and death rate was much lower.
We are getting to grips with Covid just through lockdown and now vaccination. So once we have herd immunity I don't see restrictions continuing, no.
But I dont think abandoning everything in one fell swoop will happen here like the UK .
Do you?

Goldengirl

B

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see WFH as "light", it's a constraint on businesses. On the other hand, there has to be a big push to get employees not to turn up for work if sick.

Facemasks - yeah trivial, no issues with that.

I'd like to see lots of available tests, and really easy to get. Walk-in test centres in urban areas.

Big push on the Flu vaccine this year.

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Under no circumstances would I want restrictions because large numbers of people who chose not to get vaccinated end up sick. I appreciate there might be a large burden on hospitals, but I don't think the social cohesion will be there to endure much in the way of restrictions because of the actions of that group.

Agree.
If people choose not to get a vaccine that protects from this virus that may not harm them, but alternatively may floor them for a long time, they are making that choice for themselves.
Mask wearing on crowded buses and trains to protect others needs to continue.

Cork2021

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see WFH as "light", it's a constraint on businesses. On the other hand, there has to be a big push to get employees not to turn up for work if sick.

Facemasks - yeah trivial, no issues with that.

I'd like to see lots of available tests, and really easy to get. Walk-in test centres in urban areas.

Big push on the Flu vaccine this year.

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Under no circumstances would I want restrictions because large numbers of people who chose not to get vaccinated end up sick. I appreciate there might be a large burden on hospitals, but I don't think the social cohesion will be there to endure much in the way of restrictions because of the actions of that group.

Hmmm whilst agree on a lot of what you say, how are facemasks trivial?
Ask the retail, fast food, HCW, how trivial they are. It’s so disheartening everyday having to go into work wearing them! That’s my work week 45 hours, once you finish eating mask on! Mask on while taking a shît etc! Masks have to go

Goldengirl

hmmm wrote: »

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.
.

When you talk about those respiratory hospitals do you envisage isolation hospitals like the old style ' fever' or TB sanitariums?

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

We also need to start thinking about hospital capacity. A stand-alone & temporary respiratory hospital in Dublin would pay for itself I think, along with similar perhaps in Cork and maybe Limerick & Galway.

Thinking about it is all we can do

We are 1/4 of a trillion in debt right now, having added the most debt of all EU countries due to our lengthy, multiple lockdowns & building hospital capacity and infrastructure in the future is but a dream

Goldengirl

Cork2021 wrote: »

Hmmm whilst agree on a lot of what you say, how are facemasks trivial?
Ask the retail, fast food, HCW, how trivial they are. It’s so disheartening everyday having to go into work wearing them! That’s my work week 45 hours, once you finish eating mask on! Mask on while taking a shît etc! Masks have to go

But until we can see this gone those masks are protecting you and me out there in front of people. Maybe the workers who have been vaccinated can choose whether they wear them or not 😊

hmmm

Goldengirl wrote: »

When you talk about those respiratory hospitals do you envisage isolation hospitals like the old style ' fever' or TB sanitariums?

In a way, yes. From what I'm hearing and reading it's likely that Covid will be something we see spike ever Winter, and it may match Flu for its impact on healthcare. Obviously that's a capacity problem, but not necessarily something that causes a huge amounts of deaths (as the most vulnerable will be vaccinated, and we get better at treating it).

I could see a future where people are more aware of respiratory viruses, and if you present at hospital with possible symptoms you're diverted very quickly to a more isolated hospital where you're isolated from people with other non-respiratory ailments. Specialist health teams there assist you through dealing with whatever illness you have.

Dealing with cross-infection would be a problem I know, but then you'd have the same problem (and worse) in a general hospital.

Valhallapt

brickster69 wrote: »

Three weeks and critical ICU level will be hit. Algarve worse than Lisbon / population. They will be in lockdown in a month.

Not even remotely true.

Cork2021

Goldengirl wrote: »

But until we can see this gone those masks are protecting you and me out there in front of people. Maybe the workers who have been vaccinated can choose whether they wear them or not 😊

In my reality now people I work with including me will be fully vaccinated in the next 6’weeks or so. Masks shouldn’t be relevant then… that’s my opinion, I think it’ll need to be part of a vaccine bonus

hmmm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We are 1/4 of a trillion in debt right now, having added the most debt of all EU countries due to our lengthy, multiple lockdowns & building hospital capacity and infrastructure in the future is but a dream

When looking at an alternative of lockdowns/PUP etc. and restrictions on business at the busiest social time of the year, I think the cost may be feasible.

If Covid ends up causing effectively the same burden as Flu during Winter, and we know the hospital system is already overwhelmed with Flu alone, something has to give. I'd prefer it to be temporary capacity.

Most people with these illnesses need supportive care in hospital, only the most serious need an advanced level of care & could be transferred back to the main hospitals.

Sobit1964

Goldengirl wrote: »

But until we can see this gone those masks are protecting you and me out there in front of people. Maybe the workers who have been vaccinated can choose whether they wear them or not 😊

Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

Please keep your distance.

Goldengirl

hmmm wrote: »

In a way, yes. From what I'm hearing and reading it's likely that Covid will be something we see spike ever Winter, and it may match Flu for its impact on healthcare. Obviously that's a capacity problem, but not necessarily something that causes a huge amounts of deaths (as the most vulnerable will be vaccinated, and we get better at treating it).

I could see a future where people are more aware of respiratory viruses, and if you present at hospital with possible symptoms you're diverted very quickly to a more isolated hospital where you're isolated from people with other non-respiratory ailments. Specialist health teams there assist you through dealing with whatever illness you have.

Dealing with cross-infection would be a problem I know, but then you'd have the same problem (and worse) in a general hospital.

Like MHQ with specialist nursing and medical care!
A good plan alright.
They are going to have to invest and divert so the general health services can cope.
And as you say and it is very likely people may be less sick due to vaccinations but still some requiring hospitalisation.
Could do with diverting less severe flu and norovirus cases also.
Would free up this winter trolley crisis in major general hospitals.

User1998

Goldengirl wrote: »

Mask wearing on crowded buses and trains to protect others needs to continue.

No, it doesn’t

Goldengirl

Cork2021 wrote: »

In my reality now people I work with including me will be fully vaccinated in the next 6’weeks or so. Masks shouldn’t be relevant then… that’s my opinion, I think it’ll need to be part of a vaccine bonus

Same, but don*t know what you are dealing with coming in the door unfortunately.
I think you guys probably will be able to dispense with them but getting into managers knowing your business as regards your vaccines if a vaccine bonus, otherwise they could insist you continue to wear them.
How do you feel about that?

Goldengirl

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

Please keep your distance.

Happy to!
Make sure you identify yourself if admitted to where I work :cool:

Sobit1964

Goldengirl wrote: »

Happy to!
Make sure you identify yourself if admitted to where I work :cool:

Good to know you care for the ill equally. :cool:

Goldengirl

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Good to know you care for the ill equally. :cool:

You were the one who told me to keep my distance... Your choice...

fun loving criminal

User1998 wrote: »

No, it doesn’t

Yes it does. Before covid, you could be inches away from someone else's face on a crowded bus. We cannot go back to that again.

Sobit1964

Goldengirl wrote: »

You were the one who told me to keep my distance... Your choice...

Remind us of your role again. I must say I hope you are one of those useless hires that fills in forms on a computer, to submit to a manager who does the same, and have no role with actual care.

If not, am I correct to assume that you take choices with patients based on your feelings and not medical need?

fun loving criminal

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Lets get this straight. I don't want what ever you might have, so I support your choice to wear a mask. You should keep doing that.

I'm not wearing one - apart from when I might get fined, and im going to push the envelope there too, it might be on my chin.

Please keep your distance.

Lovely!!!

You want someone else to wear a mask because you don't want what they have. But you won't wear a mask to prevent spreading what you might have?

Selfish is one word for you.

Goldengirl

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Remind us of your role again. I must say I hope you are one of those useless hires that fills in forms on a computer, to submit to a manager who does the same, and have no role with actual care.

If not, am I correct to assume that you take choices with patients based on your feelings and not medical need?

Remind me of your role besides making offensive comments behind an anonymous profile online that serve to display your deeply felt prejudice against those in the health service... And anyone else that disagrees with you?

Again you were the one who directed me to keep my distance and as I said that is your choice.... Ignored.