Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

gral6

In around 2 weeks NPHET will meet over the weekend and Tony will come with an idea of sharp lockdown in order to re-open schools

hotmail.com

Mistake the government made early on was to allow NPHET to have their press conferences without government ministers present.

In England, their chief medical officer is always accompanied and led by a government minister in their press conferences which clearly indicates that the government is in charge.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Pros and cons to it no matter which way you do it. They’re supposed to be independent advisers and not be concerned with politics, which does seem to be the case and it is important that we know what’s being advised.

The government being seen as somewhat indecisive and spineless is a broader issue to do with the current coalition personalities.

As I see it, NPHET didn’t over step the line, but the media keeps talking as if they’re the ones setting policy, rather than the government. They’re not the Troika and decisions are being made by the cabinet.

PTH2009

No doubt NPHET will recommend indoor hospitality doesn't open till more are vaccinated and they might even want level 4/5 back to curb the spread

Government wont stand in there way and its a win win as it will give them more time to sort out the vaccine cert etc

We need to move on and really live with this virus. Financially and mentally we cant take anymore of it

Great to be buying tickets and going to matches again

Deeper Blue

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617170#Comment_117617170

But if only vaccinated people are allowed in why would they?

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117614813#Comment_117614813

How about those in ICU? Did they go into hospital with a sore toe, get tested and eventually ended up in ICU?

speckle

A gentle reminder those averagely healthy living at home over 80s have a 94.5% survival rate...about c82-4% co morbodities x2 or more if in a nursing home.

This was the data PRE vaccination so they got an extra nudge now on top of that in the right direction

..as one 80+ year old in my family said that aint bad on top of 'they' know how this virus works now and what treatments to give you even if still somewhat imperfect but more importantly what not to do!

We have a lot of 80+ers in the family and are real about losing some of them to death probably soon enough as they are to their own mortality.

We should be asking the likes of them how they want to live the rest of their lives now and how much more stress they want to put on younger people.

We are not going for sterilising community immunity ..its harm/symptom reduction immunity.

We do need both natural amd vaccination to be part of that community immunity and treated equally.

Some potentially brighter news

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-scientists-identify-drug-that-could-reduce-coviddeaths-40650841.html

Nite all ...great to have boards back warts and all😆

eviltimeban

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117615791#Comment_117615791

And I wonder how many of them were actually "sick", or showing symptoms.

podgeandrodge

So are many of the 5% fully vaccinated going to hospital or getting seriously sick? Has an age group been mentioned for these cohorts, are they in the 'younger' categories of vaccinated i.e. 40s to 50s or more elderly?

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618306#Comment_117618306

It's just data and not at all unexpected.

Klonker

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617974#Comment_117617974

People end up in ICU for lots of reasons, not just covid. There's over 200 people in ICU at the moment for non covid reasons. Some of the covid ICU patients could of been heading for ICU before catching covid anyway. Its a lot less likely than hospital patients of which thousands are admitted everyday hence why I mentioned that and not ICU.

cheezums

Unless we have a different version of delta to the UK I'm not sure what the panic is.

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618371#Comment_117618371

There's a delay with deaths. In the graphs you show, you can see a delay of two weeks between case rises and deaths. There is a small rise in deaths this time around, but until the UK cases plateau, we know don't what'll happen with deaths/hospitalisations.

timmyntc

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618430#Comment_117618430

It's clear to anyone with 2 braincells that the UK are not seeing a substantial increase in mortality this time around.

You can keep scaremongering about the next 2 weeks, but it will not materialize. You've singing this tune for weeks now and there has still been no surge in mortality in the UK. No reason whatsoever to believe it will be the case in 2 more weeks.

Vaccines work.

seamus

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Deaths in the UK are up 47% week-on-week. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

That's a doubling time of about 12 days.

I'm not sure how pointing out facts can be "scaremongering". And the usual defence is, "But the numbers are low, 47% of a low number is still a low number". The current average deaths/day in the UK is 37. With a 12-day doubling time becomes 600/day inside two months. That's how exponential growth works.

It may not. If everything does plateau then things might be very different. Lots of "ifs" and "mights" though. The UK are carrying out a gigantic experiment on their society. Nobody knows how it's going to turn out.

Cork2021

What ever ye do and if your from Cork do not turn on 96fm!! Pj Coogan is back on the zero covid wagon and has Crackpot Killeen on! Coogan comparing last year with this year!

as far as I remember we weren’t testing 20,000plus a day and have walk in testing centres…

absolute fûcking nonsense!

Klonker

Professor of Immunovirology at University College Cork, Liam Fanning was on Newstalk Breakfast this morning talking sense as usual. He's not overly worried about the rising case numbers and this is probably the beginning of covid becoming endemic rather than pandemic and it'll be around for years. Also calling for a bit more clarity on those ending up on hospital/icu in terms of age and vaccination status as hard to guess where these numbers will go if we don't know if we dont know who's making uo these numbers.

timmyntc

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47 deaths a day is absolutely miniscule in the UK.

The reality is, the stats already prove greatly reduced mortality. Most of those dying with covid are vaccinated - the caveat is that they are all over 50.

The death rate in over 50s has declined 10-fold compared to same group unvaccinated. So vaccines do work, and the link between cases and deaths in UK is 1/10 or lower of what it was previously. The surge is not coming.

Also - your assumption that deaths would double every 12 days to be 600/day by September - deaths dont double by themselves, they are related to the cases (though much lower than prev waves). Your ridiculous assertion that deaths will be 600/day by september implies that cases will be over 512k PER DAY. For reference the UKs highest prev peak was 82k in the middle of christmas wave (no vaccines) and that was an outlier, the trend then was around 32k per day which is where they are now.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618594#Comment_117618594

While Killeen has been all over the Dublin radio stations anyway, urging for inter county travel to be restricted. In his eyes, some outdoor summer elements such as Kids GAA should remain. Everything else gone.

where do people like him get off on this? Is it that good for his wallet that he keeps peddling this stuff?

I see they’re scare mongering again that more young people are getting hospitalised…

Difficult to believe when we have less than 100 in hospital in the entire country.

Pablo Escobar

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618665#Comment_117618665

I'd imagine it's as a proportion of the total in hospital. That's likely due to vaccines at work in the older age groups and not a more dangerous strain of the disease. However, we don't have much head space with hospital beds and the case numbers have ensured rising hospital numbers in the short term. The issue really isn't any different to what it was before, it's capacity. We shouldn't, however, see a surge like January, but that's quite a high bar.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618665#Comment_117618665

Should be pretty easy to tell us the age groups of all these young people in hospital so..

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seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618595#Comment_117618595

Their current 7-day average is 37k, not 32k.

And you're right; half a million cases a day is not a possibility, just by force of sheer numbers. But it shows you how quickly things get out of control from small to big numbers.

At the moment case numbers in the UK are nearly vertical and the only thing limiting them is the amount of population available to catch it. Which is still a lot of people. Nobody knows what this limit is, and what the final cost will be. If cases peak today, deaths will peak 2-4 weeks from now. If cases peak at the end of this month, deaths will peak somewhere around mid-late August.

To look at today's death numbers and declare "it'll be grand" even though you haven't a bull's notion which way things are going to go, is dogmatic in the extreme.

funnydoggy

Think they're opening back up the drive through testing centre near Christ the King girl's school in Cork. Was closed for ages but now there are some national ambulance vans in there and people are doing things, probably setting up again.

cheezums

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618781#Comment_117618781

The case to death lag period in the UK has consistently been 10-14 days. Like clockwork. Has that suddenly been doubled?

bucketybuck

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618749#Comment_117618749

Unfortunately the HSE are using Vanilla.

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618843#Comment_117618843

Careful now, you don't want to be accused of scaremongering by pointing out facts.

I said 2-4 weeks because that's been our general experience, especially with the long tails in ICU. If the UK is more consistent, then fair enough.

timmyntc

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618781#Comment_117618781

The only dogma here is yours, hell bent on seeing the UK fail for some reason despite the widely accepted success of vaccines. The vaccine work, we are seeing it work already.

You're right that nobody knows *for sure* how things will unfold, but statistics can tell us the bounds of whats possible or not.

600 deaths per day and 500k cases per day is not possible. As you said, it simply wont happen - so there are no lessons to be taken from that, because it hasnt happened and it wont in future. Its a scaremongering type prediction. The UKs deaths previously peaked at just over 1200 per day, the vaccination impact is looking like we'll see at most, 1/10 of that. So double where we are now to ~120 a day.

Your prediction of 600/day was unsubstantiated nonsense based on nothing

Azatadine

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617138#Comment_117617138

You kinda get used to the touch site after a while too. Takes a while to get your bearings but I'm starting to get used to it now.

MrMusician18

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618574#Comment_117618574

It works like that until you run out of people.