Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737386#Comment_117737386

Merely a case that I don't have a crystal ball to know what's going to happen in the next 3 months. Only a fool would say, "They definitely cannot justify extending the legislation in November".

On Xmas Day 2019 if you had been told that in 3 months' time half the planet would be in lockdown over a pandemic, you'd have laughed and been absolutely certain that the person was talking bollox. At that time there hadn't been any official reports of any mysterious illnesses, you'd have only heard about rumours out of China told in weird corners of the internet.

The emergency powers are set to lapse in 3 months' time. I'm reasonably confident they won't extend them for a variety of reasons, but I'm not foolish enough to declare certainty about what can happen between now and then.

FintanMcluskey

I don’t think this can ever end

30,000 people die in Ireland each year

A frightening figure that we need to be address regardless of social or economic cost

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736837#Comment_117736837

How would you rate the outcome in Italy, France, UK and how would you rate their health systems?

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737467#Comment_117737467

@seamus wrote:

"The emergency powers are set to lapse in 3 months' time. I'm reasonably confident they won't extend them for a variety of reasons, but I'm not foolish enough to declare certainty about what can happen between now and then."

I don't wish to put you on the spot but if they did extend emergency powers, would you support them? Obviously it would depend on the circumstances but what, in your opinion, would be sufficient rational justification for extending those powers?

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736304#Comment_117736304

media is on the climate change story now

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737467#Comment_117737467

I think there is no chance they are not extended . Our hospital numbers will increase as will ICU. At what stage will they plateau . You would hope by November but who knows . Then its also in the middle of Flu season . And MM is unable to make a decision about what socks to put on in the morning .

Xmas last year will be the soundbite and nobody will challenge it.

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737573#Comment_117737573

Housing crisis and investment funds have had a couple of weeks off.

daydorunrun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736717#Comment_117736717

Divisive means differing opinions- of its magnification, accuracy and general roll. this has been debated a lot over the last year and a half by many medical professionals and scholars. You’re being a smart ass trying suggesting that it’s just random conspiracy theories that only exist on Facebook and YouTube.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737567#Comment_117737567

Data, basically. Proof that an emergency still exists, such as;

Hospital and ICU numbers on an exponential growth trend, or already at a very high level (> 150 in ICU) with another surge beginning.

Or the emergence of a new variant with markedly more serious properties (such as greater serious illness in under 25s), which is proven to be more infectious and more resistant to vaccination.

Neither of which I see as being particularly likely.

bucketybuck

Are we in an emergency situation today, right this minute?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737623#Comment_117737623

No, I'm just giving a civil opinion on something that does the job and in my experience those who have issues with it were YouTube video redirected my way last year. I'm always amused how they routinely ignore the input and expertise of those running such tests and treating them as little more than button pushers. For me it seems a pretty pointless battle to wage but each to their own.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737642#Comment_117737642

Yep, until such time as the advice changes.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737642#Comment_117737642

Yes. We're in the middle of a large wave of the virus with just under 60% of the population fully vaccinated out of a theoretical 80-85%. It only stops being an emergency when the threat has been addressed as much as is reasonably possible.

Maybe my definition of emergency and the legal one is different. After all, the government had emergency powers all the way though WWII despite not actually being a part of it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737055#Comment_117737055

Its difficult to get the recovery cert if you got covid abroad as many young people did.

Many are now queuing to get the pfizer jab as they want to go indoors to socialise. I know one young person did ask at the centre would one jab do as he got covid in Spain in July, he was told no, you need two jabs to get the covid cert.

If these young people got covid here wouldnt they get the recovery cert and not be expected to take two shots.

Its all a bit worrying.

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737708#Comment_117737708

I had it a few months ago and am getting my 2nd one next week

irishguy1983

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737467#Comment_117737467

Yeah I never quite understand how people speak with such certainty about how the future will roll out (considering how things have gone on in last 12 months)…..The amount of people on this thread who know exactly what is hoping to happen is incredible:) I haven’t a clue - not really what is going to happen even when we hit 90% fully vaccinated….

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737733#Comment_117737733

These young people barely had it four weeks ago.

Are you not concerned about taking two doses of a vaccine for something you have immunity too.

Am I worrying about nothing, if they were even thirty I wouldnt feel as anxious but they are onky eighteen.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737324#Comment_117737324

Seamus what do you think will have changed regarding the danger posed by covid in a few weeks when those measures are due to be extended???

The Dublin marathon is cancelled due to the emergency and that is an outdoor event that will have been true to take place a few days before the legislation expires

I can guarantee that if anyone challenges the extension of the powers the will be labelled Gemma o d style loons by the mainstream media and many others on here including yourself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737867#Comment_117737867

This is why many Pharma companies stayed well away from pregnant women and then children post thalidomide.

The golden goose at the time was an anti nausea drug for pregnant women but looked how it turned out. Children taking medical interventions is always very risky but if their heads fall off we will be told at least it didn't explode on the way down, "exploding heads" now a symptom of covid.

in saying that Thalidomide is a very useful drug for treating leprosy in Brazil..so all things have uses. As it's spreading now in the vaccinated, I don't see the point of jabbing kids.

bodhrandude

Well fcuk this for a game of soldiers, I'm away up North to a festival for the weekend. first festival work I've got since Electric Picnic 2019. I'm gonna go for it as I'm not going to sit around waiting for lazy ass politicians to come back from their holidays with not even a promise of a small camping music festival in this country apart from its Northern half.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738171#Comment_117738171

Do I remember incorrectly or did you not complain about others not following public health advice in Ireland earlier in the year?

Could have you completely wrong I will admit and apologise if I do

bodhrandude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738285#Comment_117738285

I've been pretty compliant right up to this coming weekend, the government is fecking around with the live entertainment (music) and EP being cancelled was the last straw for me. Its a small festival and I will mask up during more crowded situations and in the marquees, I'm bringing my own santiser and what not. No, just run out of patience really. Your right though I did post the Salthill beach clip in April.

Lyle

Just looking at some of Brian MacCraith's vaccination figures, in light of some info from the Music and Entertainment Association of Ireland and their meeting with government in the past few days where they were told the government is looking for 85-90% of 18+ being fully vaccinated before re-opening indoor events, which I'm invested in as indoor events are my job for more than a decade and I still haven't been able to return to work.

So many different percentages are floating around now for the vaccines (total pop., 12+, 16+, 18+) that it actually wasn't easy to find the updated 18+ percentage until MacCraith tweeted about it because it isn't really the one being touted much anymore, despite it still being the important determining factor for indoor events and associated careers going ahead again.

According to MacCraith's figures, two weeks ago, on July 28th, we were at 71.1% of 18+ fully vaccinated. Today, we're at 78.3%, so we've increased by 7.2% in those two weeks. If we can match that again, come the 25th of August (which is even before the government are apparently going to announce their plan for reopening indoor events) we should be at 85.5% of 18+ fully jabbed, and more again by the following week, hopefully bringing us close to 90% by the end of August.

I can't see them coming out on September 1st and just throwing the shackles off, even though by their own apparent metrics given to MEAI that's exactly what should happen, but it's given me a lift today to see that they have actually set a percentile figure as a target for getting events back running and that we are so very close to achieving it in the rollout. I thought posting this might hopefully give anyone else in the same boat as me a bit of a lift as well after so long out of work.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738337#Comment_117738337

So the public health guidance is now irrelevant because you now believe it’s overly cautious just like those did on the beach in salthill earlier in the year?

I struggle with that tbh

The very reason Ireland is months behind( and no sign of that changing) the rest of the world is because people like yourself drove and supported the caution throughout this.

You fully supported Ireland being an outlier back then, what’s different now?

bodhrandude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738400#Comment_117738400

No back in April we were still struggling with the vaccinations, I can see from the news we've come a long way with the vaccinations and we were promised by the government that restrictions would be eased. By the time the Picnic comes round we'll be hitting 90% fully vaccinated so I see no reason why such restrictions need in place anymore. Its got to the stage that I'm just fed up with the entire thing and want to salvage a wee bit of the summer that's left. Does that not seem reasonable to you Fintan?

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738371#Comment_117738371

Constant goalpost changing

Sorry mods but im pissed off at this shite, at this point why the hell are we at ?

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738466#Comment_117738466

How have they moved the goalposts? Where were they before?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737677#Comment_117737677

Ok, but just so I am clear, do you personally think this is currently an emergency requiring emergency powers?

If you just say that it is an emergency because the powers that be say so then we'll leave it there, I am interested in people stating their opinions.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737701#Comment_117737701

Ok, so you feel that we are in a a serious, unexpected and dangerous situation requiring immediate action. Thats fair enough.

Can you state an opinion on what "reasonably possible" actually means, when does this stop being an emergency?

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737867#Comment_117737867

If you understand how immunity works, then you should have no concern about taking a vaccine for an illness you've already had. With the exception of some known viruses, another vaccination works just like a booster. Like putting a fresh coat of paint on a wall you painted last year.

@FintanMcluskey wrote:

Seamus what do you think will have changed regarding the danger posed by covid in a few weeks when those measures are due to be extended???

I see you didn't read my post.

I can guarantee that if anyone challenges the extension of the powers the will be labelled Gemma o d style loons by the mainstream media and many others on here including yourself

You seem very sure. What are the lotto numbers on Friday?