Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

ZX7R

greenfarm wrote: »

Yes that makes sense re first dose, hopefully its just that and more time is needed to get people fully vaccinated and that's why they are panicking.

Something is up anyway, UK scientists are no fools.

Polish scientists carried out a full genome study of the Indian variant and carried out some sort of study on lab mice,they evacuated there ambassador and family and aides who were infected. there findings so far is it's transmission is prity much the same as the kent variant and minimal evidence of any reduction in vaccination efficiency.

ZX7R

greenfarm wrote: »

Yes that makes sense re first dose, hopefully its just that and more time is needed to get people fully vaccinated and that's why they are panicking.

Something is up anyway, UK scientists are no fools.

Yes I agree with the statement that English scientists are some of the best, but at the moment glancing through English media too many contradictory statements been reported.
For the kent variant, they all sang from the same song book,where as with the Indian variant they are all at odds with one another

Westernyelp

Junglejoe wrote:

What's your counter point ?

My point is that your comments are just a cliche at this stage. Easy to put out there. But when not backed up by any particular facts It s meaningless.

Sweet.Science

ZX7R wrote: »

Yes I agree with the statement that English scientists are some of the best, but at the moment glancing through English media too many contradictory statements been reported.
For the kent variant, they all sang from the same song book,where as with the Indian variant they are all at odds with one another

Which would suggest they don't know yet

marno21

So far it seems the Indian variant possesses the mutations for increased transmissibility but not vaccine evasion.

Should it have increased transmissibility vs the Kent variant, it makes reopening more difficult as more people need to be vaccinated to keep the R low

Should it be the same as or less than the Kent variant, we proceed as normal because that’s the baseline level we were assuming before.

Hard to believe it could be 50%+ more transmissible than B1.1.7. It’s quite likely the level of transmission is related to the environments it’s spreading in and mass introduction via travel recently.

We’ll wait and see

Junglejoe

Westernyelp wrote: »

My point is that your comments are just a cliche at this stage. Easy to put out there. But when not backed up by any particular facts It s meaningless.

They're statements of fact

The UK is leading the way and we are just copying them and others

greenfarm

marno21 wrote: »

So far it seems the Indian variant possesses the mutations for increased transmissibility but not vaccine evasion.

Should it have increased transmissibility vs the Kent variant, it makes reopening more difficult as more people need to be vaccinated to keep the R low

Should it be the same as or less than the Kent variant, we proceed as normal because that’s the baseline level we were assuming before.

Hard to believe it could be 50%+ more transmissible than B1.1.7. It’s quite likely the level of transmission is related to the environments it’s spreading in and mass introduction via travel recently.

We’ll wait and see

All correct except, decreased effectiveness of vaccines to prevent mild to moderate disease was noted by Prof Whitty yesterday at press conference.

For 1st dose anyway, as another poster corrected me on.

It will be interesting what this leads to

Faster 2nd dose of AZ for UK's vulnerable?

ZX7R

greenfarm wrote: »

All correct except, decreased effectiveness of vaccines to prevent mild to moderate disease was noted by Prof Whitty yesterday at press conference.

For 1st dose anyway, as another poster corrected me on.

It will be interesting what this leads to

Faster 2nd dose of AZ for UK's vulnerable?

I think the best country to look at re the Indian variant is Israel, of there confirmed cases 21 were imported.
5 community transmission all have been found in the age group under 16 years of age. 4 fully vaccinated adults tested positive, importantly they were only tested due to been close contacts and never showed any signs of illness during the expected period for sickness to manifest.
Phyisor representative in Israel states there vaccine is working against the Indian variant and contains no unknown mutations.

wadacrack

ZX7R wrote: »

I think the best country to look at re the Indian variant is Israel, of there confirmed cases 21 were imported.
5 community transmission all have been found in the age group under 16 years of age. 4 fully vaccinated adults tested positive, importantly they were only tested due to been close contacts and never showed any signs of illness during the expected period for sickness to manifest.
Phyisor representative in Israel states there vaccine is working against the Indian variant and contains no unknown mutations.

Have Israel had mandatory quarantine in the country for a few months?

ZX7R

wadacrack wrote: »

Have Israel had mandatory quarantine in the country for a few months?

They only introduced mandatory quarantine for India two weeks ago

Chris_5339762

We'll have to just see I suppose. If it is outcompeting B1117, then it has to be slightly more transmissible, otherwise it just wouldn't take over.

What are the general R numbers for the mutations? We haven't heard really.

lukas8888

No covid numbers today due to cyber attack.

Widdensushi

lukas8888 wrote: »

No covid numbers today due to cyber attack.

It should be that way every week, numbers twice a week would be nice.

wadacrack

Good video on where we stand with the Indian variant


Vaccines are almost certainly less effective at reducing transmission of the Indian variant

The vaccines may be less effective against mild disease

but we don't think they're less effective against severe disease

all the evidence so far suggests there is no evidence of increased severity of illness or that the variant evades the vaccine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO6oSJbBwbE

Mitch Connor

Widdensushi wrote: »

It should be that way every week, numbers twice a week would be nice.

Yeah, ignorance is bliss.

eagle eye

Widdensushi wrote:

It should be that way every week, numbers twice a week would be nice.

Numbers shouldn't be a thing in two months time hopefully. Don't be worrying about them now.

Spanish Eyes

Given that a large number of slightly older candidates were given the AZ vaccine (no choice in MVCs), and still are, is the twelve week wait for dose no. 2 a bit far apart or what?

I understand the reasoning behind using AZ for over 60s due to the clotting issue, however it is the rather long interval between doses that concerns me a bit. Pfizer AFAIK is only a four week interval.

I do not claim to have any knowledge of how the vaccine intervals were decided upon, but just wondered why the disparity.

boardise

PTH2009 wrote: »

Life is fun in the 2020's isn't it

Yup-let's see what we got --

Pandemic
Ransomware threats multiplying
Filthy Oceans
Melting Glaciers
Drought
Robots taking over
Food pumped full of chemicals and sugar-->Obesity
China and Russia causing havoc
US in a mess
Overpopulation -->Migration pressures
Conspiracy theories proliferating

A jolly jamboree of joy I think we can agree.

lukas8888

Carbman wrote: »

Listen Chief. That post makes as much sense as most of your others.

Pure scutter

Very harsh, I regularly disagree with said poster but his post did not deserve your
vitriolic response.

eagle eye

Carbman wrote:

Listen Chief. That post makes as much sense as most of your others.

My name is not Chief. My post makes sense whether you like it or not.

Carbman wrote:

I have no manners

Fix that last part for you.

SEPT 23 1989

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Given that a large number of slightly older candidates were given the AZ vaccine (no choice in MVCs), and still are, is the twelve week wait for dose no. 2 a bit far apart or what?

I understand the reasoning behind using AZ for over 60s due to the clotting issue, however it is the rather long interval between doses that concerns me a bit. Pfizer AFAIK is only a four week interval.

I do not claim to have any knowledge of how the vaccine intervals were decided upon, but just wondered why the disparity.

16 weeks now

lukas8888

Carbman wrote: »

Very well. Your opinion means nothing to me, Chief

Classy,another new poster adding spectacular insight to the forum.

Spanish Eyes

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

16 weeks now

Either the first dose of AZ is super effective, or there aren't enough doses to go around for the second dose!

Seems quite a long time to wait to be fully vaccinated, if we ever get to the Green Passport stage at least. There must be a valid reason for the delay, but I sense that it is leading to a bit of crowing by those who got Pfizer, and who could blame them.

Necro

Carbman don't post in this thread again seeing as all you're interested in doing is trolling

iamwhoiam

Where are people seeing that the 2nd dose of AZ is now 16 weeks ? I haven’t seen anything official about that .

stephenjmcd

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Either the first dose of AZ is super effective, or there aren't enough doses to go around for the second dose!

Seems quite a long time to wait to be fully vaccinated, if we ever get to the Green Passport stage at least. There must be a valid reason for the delay, but I sense that it is leading to a bit of crowing by those who got Pfizer, and who could blame them.

The valid reason is the longer the space between doses the better the efficency as noted in trials

stephenjmcd

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Where are people seeing that the 2nd dose of AZ is now 16 weeks ? I haven’t seen anything official about that .

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/immunity/

If you are aged 60 or over:

You should get your 2nd dose at least 12 weeks after your 1st dose.

If you are under 60 and at high-risk:

If you are under 60, you should get your 2nd dose at least 12 weeks after your 1st dose if you are at high risk of severe COVID-19 or very high risk of severe COVID-19

If you are under 60:
If you are under 60 without a high-risk, or a very high-risk medical condition, you should wait until 16 weeks have passed to get your 2nd dose.

podgeandrodge

Nonoperational wrote: »

Great to see the number of serious cases in the vaccinated basically gone. Where I work it genuinely was a shocking scene in January. 2 wards recommissioned for Covid, a break out ICU full of dying covid patients.

Now there is one tiny ward with a handful of patients who aren't that sick at all.

Personally I find it amazing. I had the pfizer and I've been coughed and sneezed on a few times at this stage by confirmed positive patients and not as much as a tickle in my throat. God I hope it continues to work, and I have a feeling it will.

We don't regularly hear about the actual seriousness of the hospitalisations, that's good to hear - adds a bit more than just numbers hospitalised.

Chris_5339762

marno21 wrote: »

So far it seems the Indian variant possesses the mutations for increased transmissibility but not vaccine evasion.

Should it have increased transmissibility vs the Kent variant, it makes reopening more difficult as more people need to be vaccinated to keep the R low

Should it be the same as or less than the Kent variant, we proceed as normal because that’s the baseline level we were assuming before.

Hard to believe it could be 50%+ more transmissible than B1.1.7. It’s quite likely the level of transmission is related to the environments it’s spreading in and mass introduction via travel recently.

We’ll wait and see

Hope so. I'd say 50% more transmissible is an overestimation. But I would GUESS that no matter how much more transmissible the Indian on is, even if its only a little bit, evolution will favour it to become the dominant strain.

iamwhoiam

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/immunity/

If you are aged 60 or over:

You should get your 2nd dose at least 12 weeks after your 1st dose.

If you are under 60 and at high-risk:

If you are under 60, you should get your 2nd dose at least 12 weeks after your 1st dose if you are at high risk of severe COVID-19 or very high risk of severe COVID-19

If you are under 60:
If you are under 60 without a high-risk, or a very high-risk medical condition, you should wait until 16 weeks have passed to get your 2nd dose.

Thank you . So it will be mainly HCW’s who must wait 16 weeks so ?