Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

CalamariFritti

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Oh gee, you noticed! :rolleyes: Woooosh!

How much plainer could it be put?

Like I said. Coulda woulda shoulda. Yawn.

timsey tiger

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well I guess that's what he means alright. Especially since you more or less quoted it word for word.

I'm not sure if somebody is in a position to crack out the finger puppets and crayons, that are clearly needed to explain that any more clearly.

cloudatlas

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm not sure if somebody is in a position to crack out the finger puppets and crayons, that are clearly needed to explain that any more clearly.

No need to be a patronising arse.

What does 'vaccine escape' mean?
What are 'baseline controls' when they aren't at home?

Faugheen

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Is that the same x% more transmissible as the 'new virus'? Which turned out to be another one of those unfalsifiable statements that never came true in the end.

I assume you have proof of this?

PowerToWait

:pac:

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'm not sure if somebody is in a position to crack out the finger puppets and crayons, that are clearly needed to explain that any more clearly.

PowerToWait

cloudatlas wrote: »

No need to be a patronising arse.

What does 'vaccine escape' mean?
What are 'baseline controls' when they aren't at home?

Ah now, if people are having trouble understanding this but are on here every day demanding Holohan’s head on a stick because, in their considered opinion, he hasn’t done anything correctly, it’s more than a little ironic.

cloudatlas

PowerToWait wrote: »

demanding Holohan’s head on a stick

hmmmm no

CalamariFritti

PowerToWait wrote: »

Ah now, if people are having trouble understanding this but are on here every day demanding Holohan’s head on a stick because, in their considered opinion, he hasn’t done anything correctly, it’s more than a little ironic.

This is what pisses people off. You know as much science as I do quite possibly a lot less. Who knows But yet you claim for yourself superior knowledge what is true and what is not and therefore what should and shouldn't be hard to understand by those clearly inferior to you. When in reality you most likely know twiddle dum about the science and just keep parroting people who sound sufficiently official to you.

I have yet to see any actual evidence about increased transmission in either the British Variant or any other variant. But people are asking me if I had any proof the other way. And no just because one variant becomes more dominant over another is not proof of being more transmissible.

I dont care either way. Just sick of the misery porn. This will soon be over one way or the other you need to get a new hobby lads.

Wolf359f

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I have yet to see any actual evidence about increased transmission in either the British Variant or any other variant. But people are asking me if I had any proof the other way. And no just because one variant becomes more dominant over another is not proof of being more transmissible.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/959360/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3.pdf
Page 15 & 16 for the actual evidence of increased transmission in the UK variant.

Same was seen and commented here by the test & trace system, especially with household transmission.

PowerToWait

CalamariFritti wrote: »

This is what pisses people off. You know as much science as I do quite possibly a lot less. Who knows But yet you claim for yourself superior knowledge what is true and what is not and therefore what should and shouldn't be hard to understand by those clearly inferior to you. When in reality you most likely know twiddle dum about the science and just keep parroting people who sound sufficiently official to you.

I only claim to be able to understand very plain English, such as that used in the tweet.

I can honestly say your paragraph has me baffled. I think you might be implying I’m a dumb ass because I understand plain English, yet I feel superior so you intend to take me down a few pegs by reminding me it is in fact you who is superior to me?

Always_Running

giveitholly wrote: »

Some updated figures

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1393929166781882368?s=19

Cases the last 7 days - 2891 thats 112 fewer than last week.

Gremlinertia

Some posters getting a bit personal, reign it in please

Vicxas

Best of luck to everyone going back to work today.

TheDoctor

Hopefully wont be in a place again where these people are forced to close their businesses.

wadacrack

Good anecdote here on the Indian Variant. Vaccines seem to work quite well from preventing serious illness and infection in most but not all.

https://twitter.com/ChannelNewsAsia/status/1392004524378787840

OwenM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I think that makes their point.

Heaven forbid that anybody would follow advice.

Advice from a body with asymmetrical risk attached to their position, NPHET had nothing to loose by locking down and everything to loose by opening up.

Any advice from that position should have been viewed with an abundance of skepticism

Sweet.Science

So , the original Covid was 10 times more transmissible than the Flu
And then the British variant was 50% more transmissible than the original
And now the Indian variant is 50% more transmissible than the British variant

Whats next ?

CalamariFritti

Wolf359f wrote: »

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/959360/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3.pdf
Page 15 & 16 for the actual evidence of increased transmission in the UK variant.

Same was seen and commented here by the test & trace system, especially with household transmission.

I've read that report a long time ago. It is a hint but it is not proof.

Sweet.Science

Sweet.Science wrote: »

So , the original Covid was 10 times more transmissible than the Flu
And then the British variant was 50% more transmissible than the original
And now the Indian variant is 50% more transmissible than the British variant

Whats next ?

Nobody can answer that question.

Chuzzle7

I am not understanding the government's roadmap regarding social visits to the home. People can meet up indoors in private homes if they're vaccinated or if unvaccinated have little risk of covid.

But from June people can meet up with one other household indoors. But no mention of being vaccinated or not.

Chuzzle7

Chuzzle7 wrote: »

I am not understanding the government's roadmap regarding social visits to the home. People can meet up indoors in private homes if they're vaccinated or if unvaccinated have little risk of covid.

But from June people can meet up with one other household indoors. But no mention of being vaccinated or not.

At this stage, common sense is enough.

We all know who are at highest risk - vaccinated or not - and so our actions should be guided by common sense without reference to manuals or government diktat.

Chuzzle7

[Deleted User] wrote: »

At this stage, common sense is enough.

We all know who are at highest risk - vaccinated or not - and so our actions should be guided by common sense without reference to manuals or government diktat.

Unfortunately, alot of people don't have common sense.

jamesd

A work colleague was off for the last 2 week as they got covid , she returned to work today and talking to her outside this morning she said that her husband and 3 daughters all tested positive last week so they now are self isolating.

I asked was she a risk to us and she said the only risk was bring it on her hands to work from them and that she washed and used the disinfectant them as she left the house and when she arrived into work.

Should she be in work ?

CalamariFritti

PowerToWait wrote: »

I only claim to be able to understand very plain English, such as that used in the tweet.

I can honestly say your paragraph has me baffled. I think you might be implying I’m a dumb ass because I understand plain English, yet I feel superior so you intend to take me down a few pegs by reminding me it is in fact you who is superior to me?

You're missing the point.

The point is not whether the message is easy to understand or not. The point is whether the message is relevant or even true or not.

2 + 2 = 5 is also a very easy to understand message.

CalamariFritti

Sweet.Science wrote: »

So , the original Covid was 10 times more transmissible than the Flu
And then the British variant was 50% more transmissible than the original
And now the Indian variant is 50% more transmissible than the British variant

Whats next ?

Just listening to BBC news there and I quote 'the fact the Indian variant appears to be far more transmissible'.

So what is it? It either appears or it is a fact or is it a fact that it appears to be or does it appear to be a fact? Fact is that someone tries to wedge the word fact in there to make it appear more factual when in fact it is anything but.

Really have enough of this bull tbh.

Faugheen

OwenM wrote: »

Advice from a body with asymmetrical risk attached to their position, NPHET had nothing to loose by locking down and everything to loose by opening up.

Any advice from that position should have been viewed with an abundance of skepticism

They had nothing to lose? How is that exactly?

JDD

Faugheen wrote: »

They had nothing to lose? How is that exactly?

I don't think he means nothing to lose personally - I mean everyone misses going to the shops and the cinema.

What he means is, as a professional body whose job it is minimise the spread of infection in the community, there is no downside to maximising restrictions.

Of course there is a personal downside, but that is not something they are supposed to take into account. And there is an economic downside, but that's not their remit.

As a professional body they achieve their stated objective of protecting public health by advocating for a full lockdown during a period of high infection rates. It's as simple as that.

What the government should do is look at that advice, and look at the advice of the Dept of Finance on the medium/long term implications of lockdowns on public finances and the ability of enterprise to continue to exist when they are prevented from trading, and make a balanced decision based on the all the factors.

Rather than just basing their decision solely on NPHET's advice.

Faugheen

JDD wrote: »

I don't think he means nothing to lose personally - I mean everyone misses going to the shops and the cinema.

What he means is, as a professional body whose job it is minimise the spread of infection in the community, there is no downside to maximising restrictions.

Of course there is a personal downside, but that is not something they are supposed to take into account. And there is an economic downside, but that's not their remit.

As a professional body they achieve their stated objective of protecting public health by advocating for a full lockdown during a period of high infection rates. It's as simple as that.

What the government should do is look at that advice, and look at the advice of the Dept of Finance on the medium/long term implications of lockdowns on public finances and the ability of enterprise to continue to exist when they are prevented from trading, and make a balanced decision based on the all the factors.

Rather than just basing their decision solely on NPHET's advice.

I agree with everything you've said and, in the case of the last two sentences in particular, have been saying that until I was blue in the face.

It suits the government just fine to listen to NPHET when there's bad news to be delivered and point the finger at 'the public health advice'.

They lost a lot more than just cinemas and going to the shops. Long hours likely away from their families (in the case of Holohan and Glynn in particular), schools being shut impacting their children's learning both academically and socially etc.

The narrative that NPHET had 'nothing to lose' is bollocks and it deserves to be called out as bollocks. What the poster probably meant was they didn't lose their jobs but that's such a lazy argument. Loads of people kept their jobs during the pandemic.

eagle eye

I was on shop street in Galway a short time ago, lots of people around but all being sensible. Nearly all the shops were open, buskers playing on the street.
It was a really uplifting experience.

You can almost see NPHET slowly but irreversibly drifting into the distance - the further they recede to the horizon, the freer society opens up. They keep talking and talking and talking, but given the ever-growing distance, nobody can hear them anymore. Philip Nolan will continue to produce slides each week and will speak to an empty, darkened room with no journalists and no questions. This will be in his house, and will continue for at least seven years. Some say it may never end. After that, Nolan is thinking of opening up a snake oil store, somewhere on Baggot Street. There are also rumours that NPHET may return under a different guise, reporting daily temperatures and how we need to adjust our behavior to ensure global warming does not take place. Though this is unlikely. In any event, this is the end of NPHET as we know it. Now let's go to Pennies.