Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

He is not alone in feeling like that . Increasingly that age group are getting frustrated at the gap in doses leaving them exposed to infection

Seriously, this needs addressing. They are highly protected against serious illness. That message need to get out there. So what if they may test positive, they aren’t going to hospital unless they are very unlucky.

Klonker

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously, this needs addressing. They are highly protected against serious illness. That message need to get out there. So what if they may test positive, they aren’t going to hospital unless they are very unlucky.

See if government and public health put out the message one dose is good protection against severe disease then they couldn't also use it as a stick for our slow easing of restrictions. Sure Tony was the one started off this Indian variant escaping vaccine hysteria at the press conferance last Friday. Do you think his comments were ill-judged?

Timmy O Toole

Will we be the only country in the world not accepting rapid antigen test?

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1398043118449143816?s=19

gozunda

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Will we be the only country in the world not accepting rapid antigen test?

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1398043118449143816?s=19

I reckon lots of other countries will maintain the PCR test. Many countries will likley permit the use of either PCR or Antigen but not self administered tests.

Timmy O Toole

gozunda wrote: »

I reckon lots of other countries will maintain the PCR test. Many countries will likley permit the use of either PCR or Antigen but not self administered tests.

No one is mentioning self administered tests.. every country in Europe will accept an antigen test. Its even on the EU green pass certificate, but Ireland will only accept PCR? I hope they clear this up tomorrow

Klonker

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Will we be the only country in the world not accepting rapid antigen test?

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1398043118449143816?s=19

Looks like we'll be the only ones in the EU anyway.
For travel I assume countries are using companies and not self administered tests. If that's the case it sounds like NPHETs problem is not just with self administered antigen tests but all antigen tests. Makes it all the more bizarre and anti science.

muddypuppy

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1398055229338361861?s=21

gozunda

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

No one is mentioning self administered tests.. every country in Europe will accept an antigen test. Its even on the EU green pass certificate, but Ireland will only accept PCR? I hope they clear this up tomorrow

Well yes they calling out that self administered tests are not accepted. But more importantly that both antigen and pcr tests are permitted .

Which tests will be accepted?

So-called *NAAT tests (including RT-PCR tests) and rapid antigen tests will be recognised. For the time being, this will not include self-tests.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/21/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-eu-s-covid-travel-pass

Why do you say other countries won't use PCR (when its detailed they can) but only Ireland will? That makes no sense

Tyrone212

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seriously, this needs addressing. They are highly protected against serious illness. That message need to get out there. So what if they may test positive, they aren’t going to hospital unless they are very unlucky.

One dose for the Indian Variant is 33% if I remember correctly. A fortnight ago 18 people in Bolton were hospitalised with the Indian Variant. 1 had both doses but was incredibly frail. 5 had 1 dose. I know we all want to be positive but 1 dose with the Indian Variant isn't great compared to the other variants. Its the dominant strain in the UK now.

Lumen

Tyrone212 wrote: »

One dose for the Indian Variant is 33% if I remember correctly.

You missed the extremely important caveat: three weeks after the first dose.

It is well understood and widely known that AZ efficacy increases steadily far beyond this.

Vicxas

Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?

gozunda

Vicxas wrote: »

Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?

To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gauge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.

is_that_so

Vicxas wrote: »

Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?

It's what we did last summer with an extra week now between changes.

irishguy1983

Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

is_that_so

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

As things stand that's less of a point of debate than the level of vaccination and we're moving along well enough on that. The same seems to be true on vaccinations for the rest of the EU so we shall all be coming out of it at about the same time.

Stormyteacup

gozunda wrote: »

To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gsuge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.

It’s not the same model. They have a similar lag time between moving to next phases but their phase 2 for example included outdoor retail and attractions, personal grooming, gyms and outdoor dining. Much more lifting of restrictions in each phase while we take eight weeks to do what they’ve done in four.

You could make a claim that they are further along on vaccination (although gap is closing), as the reason for more lifting in each phase, but it’s not the same model.

gozunda

Stormyteacup wrote: »

It’s not the same model. They have a similar lag time between moving to next phases but their phase 2 for example included outdoor retail and attractions, personal grooming, gyms and outdoor dining. Much more lifting of restrictions in each phase while we take eight weeks to do what they’ve done in four.

You could make a claim that they are further along on vaccination (although gap is closing), but it’s not the same model.

No not the same with regard to their selected activities rather the lifting of restirctions then review then the next phase. Atm there's approx 4 weeks between changes. For example

May 10 & 17 2021:

All retail, non-essential or otherwise, fully opening to customers. Lockdown restrictions lifted including the return of hairdressers/barbers/beauticians, inter-county travel, sports training for adults, vaccinated households being able to meet indoors, and more.Cultural services. Galleries, museums and other cultural attractions reopen.


From 2 June 2021:

Hotels and bed and breakfasts can reopen services for guests only.

From 7 June 2021: Visitors to homes. Wedding receptions Gyms, swimming pools and leisure centres can reopen. Restaurants and bars can reopen for outdoor service for groups. Etc

So yes a range of restrictions are being rolled back each month as detailed

And yes the UK remains well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations

irishguy1983

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

Without question.

We are the only country in Europe that felt the need to have construction closed in 2021.
The only country in the world to have a travel restriction in place for 5 months.
The only country that lost out on the Euros.
The only country that doesn’t believe in scientifically proven effective Antigen tests.
The only country still not allowing outdoor dining.

What’s happened in this country has being nothing short of disgraceful. Especially the antigen tests that could have being used to save many lives in nursing homes and hospitals.

RunningFlyer

mloc123 wrote: »

But is the cause the Indian variant.... or the fact that England opened up pubs, restaurants, crowds at football matches etc.. etc.... about 3-4 weeks ago?

Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

iamwhoiam

Lumen wrote: »

You missed the extremely important caveat: three weeks after the first dose.

It is well understood and widely known that AZ efficacy increases steadily far beyond this.

If I understand you rightly so does the efficacy of AZ rise steadly with time ? So say 5 weeks after the first dose the efficacy rises above 33% ? That point was not made clear in the media or I misunderstood ?

is_that_so

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

We're building up to larger crowds and that may change depending on our circumstances.

Holy Duck

How long before side effects show themselves, when is one"out of the woods" so to speak?

Stormyteacup

gozunda wrote: »

No not the same with regard to their selected activities rather the lifting of restirctions then review then the next phase. Atm there's approx 4 weeks between changes. For example

May 10 & 17 2021:

All retail, non-essential or otherwise, fully opening to customers. Lockdown restrictions lifted including the return of hairdressers/barbers/beauticians, inter-county travel, sports training for adults, vaccinated households being able to meet indoors, and more.Cultural services. Galleries, museums and other cultural attractions reopen.


From 2 June 2021:

Hotels and bed and breakfasts can reopen services for guests only.

From 7 June 2021: Visitors to homes. Wedding receptions Gyms, swimming pools and leisure centres can reopen. Restaurants and bars can reopen for outdoor service for groups. Etc

So yes a range of restrictions are being rolled back each month as detailed

And yes the UK remains well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations

Yes so we have in common four weeks between lifting of restrictions, but if they are fitting twice as much into each phase it makes highlighting that similarity a bit meaningless.

Also they lift restrictions in each phase in one go instead of drip-drip nonsense here like appointments for non-essential for one week, and a wait between hairdressers, outdoor spots and inter-county.

Jinglejangle69

Tyrone212 wrote: »

One dose for the Indian Variant is 33% if I remember correctly. A fortnight ago 18 people in Bolton were hospitalised with the Indian Variant. 1 had both doses but was incredibly frail. 5 had 1 dose. I know we all want to be positive but 1 dose with the Indian Variant isn't great compared to the other variants. Its the dominant strain in the UK now.

33% protection agaiant catching it and having mild symptoms.

Very high % Protected against death and hospitalisation.

JPup

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

Vast majority won’t be fully vaccinated by then unfortunately. Lots of 2nd doses will still being given out that month and into September. Then a few weeks after that for full effect.

wadacrack

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

Its been proven to be more transmissible, the same jump with the older variant would have not been possible as seen in the first wave.

Outdoor sports events should be 100% attendance once the Ro is below 1 and vaccination is dose 50% one dose or so.

That would be following the science.

funnydoggy

Where would one watch the announcement after the fact? Am working until very late tonight and would like to watch it when I get home. Don't really want anything spoiled for me :pac:

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gauge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.

No we haven't. In April we had slight easing every week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/timeline-how-covid-19-measures-will-be-eased-according-to-latest-plan-1.4523968%3fmode=amp

Previous to April they said they wanted to leave 3 week gaps to see the effects of the easing but then in April it changed to ease gradually so as to not see a jump in cases. Both are reasonable ways of going about it easing restrictions but jumping from one to the other isn't, it just shows lack of an overall strategy.

Now maybe it will be week to week easing and they are only the headline dates we are seeing but we should know later on today when we get more details.

prunudo

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

There was a Portuguese guy over last week to commission some equipment in a place where I work. He couldn't believed the level of restrictions still in place here, and was even more shocked when he found out its been like this, and worse, since Christmas. Even with their high cases at the start of the year he said they've been less restricted than we have been.

gozunda

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Yes so we have in common four weeks between lifting of restrictions, but if they are fitting twice as much into each phase it makes highlighting that similarity a bit meaningless.

Also they lift restrictions in each phase in one go instead of drip-drip nonsense here like appointments for non-essential for one week, and a wait between hairdressers, outdoor spots and inter-county.

Well no it doesn't - because it's not a competition. And as said they remain well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations and you know what - fair fuqs to them.

And I'd disagree that they lift "restrictions in each phase in one go". Travel in the UK is a case in point. They opened up regional - then countrywide - then brought in limited international travel

Do the UK have inter- county Gaa matches ?

Anyway I'd say its generally more of a case of grass been greener and all that...