Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

snotboogie

Larbre34 wrote: »

Somebody mentioned the Indianapolis 500 earlier.

As ever, never the the facts get in the way of a good story. Yes, there are 135,000 fans being admitted, however, the venue capacity is 400,000 *AND* entrants must be certified doubly vaccinated.

So, in fact, that event is subject to proportionately more severe limitations than our so-called test events upcoming here in Ireland.

There was a full house of 17k indoor in the Boston Garden last night for the Bruins. There'll be 17k again tonight for the celtics. Massachusetts has been one of the more conservative states in terms of covid restrictions.

ZX7R

FishOnABike wrote: »

When you are in that public a role you need to keep your personal opinions to yourself. Anything you publish in public will always be associated with your public role.

I don't disagree with that, Tony got in trouble with his tweeting Last year, when he had to and frow with Michael O Leary

Beechwoodspark

What in the hell were those people in the city centre thinking last night??

I mean really and truly???

Holohan must have been disgusted and rightly so

Beechwoodspark

PowerToWait wrote: »

A lot of the crowds around those streets wouldn’t be served on a licensed premises. No coincidence that schools finished on Friday.

I can’t imagine the state they left the pace in. And not a guard in sight. Plenty all over the roads with sneaky speed traps mind you.

There’s a video on the examiner website of the aftermath this morning.

Looks awful. People literally just threw their refuse and filth where they stood

John.Icy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What in the hell were those people in the city centre thinking last night??

I mean really and truly???

Holohan must have been disgusted and rightly so

They were thinking about the outdoor summer they were told to have and had to take to the streets as everywhere else is still closed despite the majority of Europe getting on with outdoor hospitality in advance of us.

What are you thinking being so against people socialising outdoors where it's relatively safe if not just safe in general? Do you not believe in the science?

The litter angle is well and truly deflection of the primary issue and I knew last night just wait for the outrage videos of the mess in the morning to sway opinion considering last night was violently anti-restrictions and f*ck Tony and the government. I hate littering as much as the next person BUT I am not losing sight of the reasons we have ended up at this point.

Council also let the mess linger for hours after they'd usually clean up. Still saw mess there past 11am. What a way to try mold opinion on the whole thing.

Stay inside if you are that aghast by things tbh. Bring Tony with you. Give people nowhere to go and they will drink and party in the parks and streets. Next weekend rinse and repeat in town and tbh bring it on.

Azatadine

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s a video on the examiner website of the aftermath this morning.

Looks awful. People literally just threw their refuse and filth where they stood

Yeah, it does look poor alright. Irrespective of the Covid risk situation (outdoors so low risk whether people agree with it or not), the fact that they left the place in such a mess is a bad reflection on them.

crossman47

bucketybuck wrote: »

He is the Covid medical officer, because for 15 months he has clearly not given a ****e about anything that isn't covid. Unfortunately this country will be feeling the effect of that long after covid drops from the headlines.

He certainly isn't the cancer or cervical screening medical officer.

This is the usual "NPHET is to blame for delays in cancer screening". They're not. The cause is COVID and nothing else. People who feel cancer services could have carried on as normal are effectively saying either "We didn't need to treat Covid patients in hospital" or "We could have treated them and also carried on as normal with all other aspects of the health service". The latter was clearly impossible.

Your comment about cervical screening just shows you have bought in to a false narrative that's impossible to remove at this stage. Politicians and the media have a lot to answer for there. Even recently I saw a journalist say "cancer victims were not told they had the disease". Why do people not even do some basic factual checks?

Ficheall

I'm on the phone, so will probably mess up posting this image...
I reckon I'd be between light blue and yellow.

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Beechwoodspark

John.Icy wrote: »

They were thinking about the outdoor summer they were told to have and had to take to the streets as everywhere else is still closed despite the majority of Europe getting on with outdoor hospitality in advance of us.

What are you thinking being so against people socialising outdoors where it's relatively safe if not just safe in general? Do you not believe in the science?

The litter angle is well and truly deflection of the primary issue and I knew last night just wait for the outrage videos of the mess in the morning to sway opinion considering last night was violently anti-restrictions and f*ck Tony and the government. I hate littering as much as the next person BUT I am not losing sight of the reasons we have ended up at this point.

Council also let the mess linger for hours after they'd usually clean up. Still saw mess there past 11am. What a way to try mold opinion on the whole thing.

Stay inside if you are that aghast by things tbh. Bring Tony with you. Give people nowhere to go and they will drink and party in the parks and streets. Next weekend rinse and repeat in town and tbh bring it on.

I’ll take notice of the chief medical officer on covid and not some randomer on boards thanks

You can rant “ f Tony f nphet f whoever you like”. The virus does not care one jot for your opinions or frustrations.

People seem to think the virus has gone away. Certainly acting like that.

It has not gone away.

New concerning variants are on the rise.

These impromptu reckless street drink/drug sessions are not part of the solution.

bucketybuck

crossman47 wrote: »

The cause is COVID and nothing else.

And with that no discussion can be had. It does not matter what was done or will be done, it can always be handwaved away by pointing at the almighty Covid.

Covid is basically Eastasia.

crossman47

bucketybuck wrote: »

And with that no discussion can be had. It does not matter what was done or will be done, it can always be handwaved away by pointing at the almighty Covid.

Covid is basically Eastasia.

Of course discussion can be had but it should be factual. Complaining about delays in health services while ignoring the effect of Covid is just plain nonsense.

John.Icy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’ll take notice of the chief medical officer on covid and not some randomer on boards thanks

People seem to think the virus has gone away. Certainly acting like that.

It has not gone away.

New concerning variants are on the rise.

These impromptu street drink/drug sessions are not part of the solution.

:pac::pac::pac:

A sorry life to live.

Funnily enough, I have more relevant formal qualifications than Tony, even though I am just a random on boards. He is a doctor/public health manager. Not a biologist, virologist or epidemiologist.

Concerning variants? Close the RTÉ tab. Go outside. The vaccines work for the 'concerning' variants. The most vulnerable are vaccinated and we likely won't see a a dramatic rise in severe cases, deaths or hospitalisations again. Raw case numbers may rise but this is NOT an issue despite how Ireland (seemingly Ireland alone) likes to go about things.

Beechwoodspark

John.Icy wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

A sorry life to live.

Funnily enough, I have more relevant formal qualifications than Tony, even though I am just a random on boards. He is a doctor/public health manager. Not a biologist, virologist or epidemiologist.

Concerning variants? Close the RTÉ tab. Go outside. The vaccines work for the 'concerning' variants. The most vulnerable are vaccinated and we likely won't see a a dramatic rise in severe cases, deaths or hospitalisations again. Raw case numbers may rise but this is NOT an issue despite how Ireland (seemingly Ireland alone) likes to go about things.

See above

The virus does not care ONE JOT about your personal opinions or frustrations with the restrictions.

I will take note of the CMO and relevant experts over some randomer claiming to have xyz qualifications on boards for god sake

Micky 32

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It has not gone away.

New concerning variants are on the rise.

.

So just for clarity, we continue to live like this with forever restrictions indefinately despite very successful vaccines? Is that your view? We are vaccinating somewhere between 250k-300k a week.

It’s great to see normality return in the coming months. Being able to travel again. The future is bright.

FintanMcluskey

Micky 32 wrote: »

So just for clarity, we continue to live like this with forever restrictions indefinately despite very successful vaccines?

Yes it seems that is what some want

And tbh it’s pointless trying to have a rational discussion when someone is content to see out the rest of their lives living under restrictions because a variant may appear that the vaccine isn’t as effective on

podgeandrodge

eagle eye wrote: »

The lack of responsibility to fellow humans is quite evident in this thread.

I'll be fully vaccinated next Friday but I will continue to do everything possible to prevent spread of this virus.

I can't believe pubs are allowed to open soon. Guaranteed the numbers will spiral as soon as that happens.

Ficheall wrote: »

https://twitter.com/anspailpin/status/1398756388747321346


Covid aside - that looks f*cking hellish :eek:

There's a video in this article of the aftermath.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40301888.html

It's fúckin disgusting the mess that these árseholes left behind them. I did hear of a pub doing takeaway in the area allowing customers use the toilets, but it's hard to figure how this many could have used facilities.

The interesting thing out of this will be whether we see spikes arising as a result. For me, I'm glad this is still over a month before indoor pubs - so they won't be able to automatically blaime indoor drinking for spikes.

If there are no spikes, or nothing of any significance, after this, well then, outdoor drinking isn't much of a problem even in big crowds.

Doesn't say much for our younger people if their mindset allows them to leave the place like that tbh. Entitled fúckwits.

Beechwoodspark

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There's a video in this article of the aftermath.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40301888.html

It's fúckin disgusting the mess that these árseholes left behind them. I did hear of a pub doing takeaway in the area allowing customers use the toilets, but it's hard to figure how this many could have used facilities.

The interesting thing out of this will be whether we see spikes arising as a result. For me, I'm glad this is still over a month before indoor pubs - so they won't be able to automatically blaime indoor drinking for spikes.

If there are no spikes, or nothing of any significance, after this, well then, outdoor drinking isn't much of a problem even in big crowds.

Doesn't say much for our younger people if their mindset allows them to leave the place like that tbh. Entitled fúckwits.

And these are supposedly the woke green eco warriors....pull the other one it has bells on it

noplacehere

rosiem wrote: »

It has to do with Covid as that is the reason they are giving for not opening public toilets in certain places. I am with the OP as I have a toddler who is potty training and no issue as you said. But similar to them I as an adult can’t use a potty and have inflammatory bowel disease the toilet situation is a disgrace and I have also been left in tears having to grab the kids and rush home due to no facilities.

OP I had a similar experience in Donadea but went to Emo court this weekend no issues toilets open and a great spot for kids to play with no entry fee only 30 mins from Naas if you are looking for an alternative to get out somewhere.

This is it. Yeah it’s the same here, we have the portapotty for them and he’s a boy so it’s relatively easy once you find a spot for them. But I’m a whole different story.

Thanks for the recommendation, we’ll definitely road trip there

wadacrack

People need to stop making assumptions . We can see now why the CMO of public health might be concerned by the scenes he saw last night. This pandemic isn't over. We are in a more precarious position which a vast majority do not seem to be able to grasp atm. Think rationally not emotionally.

Dr. Em

Being fed up with restrictions is understandable. Breaking the rules a bit to see family, or have a couple of friends over or to meet up with a small group of friends to drink in the park are all understandable. Those videos are showing the sort of senseless behaviour that got rag week banned in so many universities, saw pubs stopping Arthur's day celebration because they were losing so much to damage, and gets young Irish such a bad rap in the US and Australia. It is like the middle gear is missing.

The pandemic has also shown that public spaces are severely lacking, but how can we get more nice public spaces if some people act the maggot and destroy them with litter?

Micky 32

wadacrack wrote: »

This pandemic isn't over.

True, but in the coming months life will return fairly normal. More socialising, travel etc. Lots to look forward to .:D We need to remind ourselves of that.

wadacrack

wadacrack wrote: »

People need to stop making assumptions . We can see now why the CMO of public health might be concerned by the scenes he saw last night. This pandemic isn't over. We are in a more precarious position which a vast majority do not seem to be able to grasp atm. Think rationally not emotionally.

I quote the scripture of John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious". Hospitalisations/ICU admissions have fallen off a cliff since January, 2.5 million vaccines proving the ultimate game changer. "More precarious" is pure baloney and nothing else.

wadacrack

Micky 32 wrote: »

True, but in the coming months life will return fairly normal. More socialising, travel etc. Lots to look forward to .:D

No ones denying that. But it makes sense to be somewhat cautious while the vaccine is being rolled out.

zuutroy

Tony Downfall meme:

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Happydays2020

Dr. Em wrote: »

Being fed up with restrictions is understandable. Breaking the rules a bit to see family, or have a couple of friends over or to meet up with a small group of friends to drink in the park are all understandable. Those videos are showing the sort of senseless behaviour that got rag week banned in so many universities, saw pubs stopping Arthur's day celebration because they were losing so much to damage, and gets young Irish such a bad rap in the US and Australia. It is like the middle gear is missing.

The pandemic has also shown that public spaces are severely lacking, but how can we get more nice public spaces if some people act the maggot and destroy them with litter?

Was in town yesterday afternoon to pick up some essentials. Already by 5pm it was looking messy. Felt like a Paddy’s day in the sun - not acceptable anytime.

wadacrack

Deleted User wrote: »

I quote the scripture of John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious". Hospitalisations/ICU admissions have fallen off a cliff since January, 2.5 million vaccines proving the ultimate game changer. "More precarious" is pure baloney and nothing else.

Not really, nearly every medical expert has admitted it is. Precarious is a fair assessment. 15% of so with 2 doses still leaves too many vulnerable people.
We are slowly getting our lives back, Why risk it all now while the vaccine is being rolled out. Situation is not good with this virus worldwide. Chile is a prime example of it going wrong in spite of a good vaccination rollout

Micky 32

wadacrack wrote: »

No ones denying that. But it makes sense to be somewhat cautious while the vaccine is being rolled out.

I do totally agree with that.

AdamD

Its not difficult to see how the public messaging is failing when people are still calling our situation precarious. It just isn't.

Drumpot

wadacrack wrote: »

No ones denying that. But it makes sense to be somewhat cautious while the vaccine is being rolled out.

If there is a spike of hospitalisations you can already predict the response

“Its the CMO’s fault because he locked us up for months and people had to go on a mad one when we opened because they just had to?!! “

I still think the government should be working on ways to be able to have more sustainable , long term strategys if another spike happens. But there’s so much delusional thinking in here “pandemic is over” it’s not funny. I’m cautiously optimistic about the future but it’s not clear cut at least until we get through the winter months with no real issues.

And contrary to quite childishly ignorant presumptions by some, I’m not hiding in my house or worried about being out in public just because I view things differently to the more extreme, misguided views that have been pushed to the fore of this thread. And by misguided , I mean people who are absolutely confident and sure about how things are going to play out with some sort of optimism bias.

“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”

Beechwoodspark

AdamD wrote: »

Its not difficult to see how the public messaging is failing when people are still calling our situation precarious. It just isn't.

Respectfully, The experts would disagree with you there