Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Cal4567

Almost a new month and we have a new gov. target. The 80% to have at least one jab by the end of June which had pushed into July, is now a 60%, or 2.5 million of us, to be fully vaccinated by the end of July.

Varadkar has decreed with his usual level of super confidence in these announcements and one assumes he has run it through beforehand with his governing partners, but who knows?

Reeling in the Years can make great hay out of all these targets when they get round to documenting 20/21.

martingriff

Amirani wrote: »

It's unfortunate the entire youth population of Dublin isn't as imaginative as you.

That's something we're evidently going to have to deal with. Current approach to dealing with it isn't working, obviously. How about we stop relying on people's ****ing imagination and actually make it easier for them to socialise outdoors safely? Maybe less of the Garda raids on parks when people are having a picnic and a glass of wine would be a good start?

https://twitter.com/PantiBliss/status/1398968725634752513

I agree parks where people are out and doing everything safely should be opened up and let happen. Just remember to take your rubbish with you

WoollyRedHat

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's an absolute cop out excuse if there was ever one. There are far more than those 3/4 pedestrian streets in the capital and far more spaces to socialise safely with 4/5 friends outdoors.

The only reason those groups chose South William St. was a lack of imagination.

I think you'll find that closing of parks like SGP didn't really help matters.

MrMusician18

Amirani wrote: »

It's unfortunate the entire youth population of Dublin isn't as imaginative as you.

That's something we're evidently going to have to deal with. Current approach to dealing with it isn't working, obviously. How about we stop relying on people's ****ing imagination and actually make it easier for them to socialise outdoors safely? Maybe less of the Garda raids on parks when people are having a picnic and a glass of wine would be a good start?

What do you expect the rest of us to do? Spoon-feed them, nanny these adults and explain to them that the way they're behaving is wrong? It should be plainly clear that overcrowding, pissing and dumping on the city centre streets is wrong and the claimed lack of alternatives is not an excuse that stands up to any scrutiny.

This is just young people putting themselves first, perhaps then they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of society puts them last.

Wolf359f

Cal4567 wrote: »

Almost a new month and we have a new gov. target. The 80% to have at least one jab by the end of June which had pushed into July, is now a 60%, or 2.5 million of us, to be fully vaccinated by the end of July.

Varadkar has decreed with his usual level of super confidence in these announcements and one assumes he has run it through beforehand with his governing partners, but who knows?

Reeling in the Years can make great hay out of all these targets when they get round to documenting 20/21.

You know technically you can have 80% of adults offered a jab by the end of June and also have 60% fully vaccinated by the end of July together.
It's not one or the other. It's 2 targets.
We're currently at 50% of all adults have a first dose, so not far off the 80% offered a jab by the end of June target.

lawrencesummers

Watch what happens now.

Some streets in Dublin will be closed because of this, and young people will just find somewhere to meet up, and it won’t make any difference only quieten the outrage on Joe duffy.

MrMusician18

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Watch what happens now.

Some streets in Dublin will be closed because of this, and young people will just find somewhere to meet up, and it won’t make any difference only quieten the outrage on Joe duffy.

And that's fine. The main problem with this was the impromptu mass gathering in a confined space.

That said, no matter where these pigs meet up they'll leave their mess after themselves.

wadacrack

No one is necessarily angry with young people socialising outdoors. Theirs a responsible way to do it however and last night did'nt appear to be so. Lack of respect for the area plain for all to see.

lawrencesummers

MrMusician18 wrote: »

And that's fine. The main problem with this was the impromptu mass gathering in a confined space.

That said, no matter where these pigs meet up they'll leave their mess after themselves.

Joe is going to love you on Monday.


Confined space, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

alrightjack89

alrightjack89 wrote: »

Would love if someone followed him around for a few days, see does he practice what he preaches.

Who was he collecting from work anyway, seems a strange thing to tell us, was he maskless in the car with that person from a different household?

I can just imagine him patrolling Dublin with a pair of binoculars around his neck, flanked behind by Glynn and Nolan, searching for any violation of the "spirit of the guidelines".

Cal4567

Wolf359f wrote: »

You know technically you can have 80% of adults offered a jab by the end of June and also have 60% fully vaccinated by the end of July together.
It's not one or the other. It's 2 targets.
We're currently at 50% of all adults have a first dose, so not far off the 80% offered a jab by the end of June target.

I will make a diary note to check at the end of June and July. I expect by then these targets will have been superseded based on what we have seen so far.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What do you expect the rest of us to do? Spoon-feed them, nanny these adults and explain to them that the way they're behaving is wrong? It should be plainly clear that overcrowding, pissing and dumping on the city centre streets is wrong and the claimed lack of alternatives is not an excuse that stands up to any scrutiny.

This is just young people putting themselves first, perhaps then they shouldn't be surprised when the rest of society puts them last.

They’ve no where to go. It could be even argued that the outdoor dining date of June 7 be pushed forward but that would require strong leadership. What if there was any kind of stampede there last night, has happened in crowded spaces before.The blame game is useless solutions are needed. Should be a wake up call for our leaders to open more spaces and activities. The litter there is gross but again as someone else said at an organized event there would be Marshall’s, bins, porto loos etc.Obviously this wasn’t one of those events hence the mess left behind. But yes solutions.

SPDUB

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have you followed the thread for the last 2 hours

Tony “tweeted” that he is “absolutely shocked“ that there is a few out socialising outdoors (when he has kept all indoor social outlets closed for months)

Meanwhile in the rest of the world thousands attended a European cup final

The last 15 hours has shown how much relevance the European cup final has to the thread given as far as I can see nobody brought it again but concentrated on criticising Tony , Nephet , Govt and young people

ginoginelli

ginoginelli wrote: »

For me the Gardai should be patrolling these areas every half hour to stop people from gathering.

Why?

Let's assume the worst-case scenario and COVID-19 spread through a large cohort of the party-goers.

They then go home, presumably to households whose parents / most vulnerable have already been vaccinated.

The party-goers are unlikely to have a high-risk individual because that individual is unlikely to have attended. If they did, then this is a risk they have chosen to accept.

In either of the above conclusions, hospitals will not become overwhelmed. Not even anywhere close.

So what on Earth are you and Tony talking about?

podgeandrodge

alrightjack89 wrote: »

Would love if someone followed him around for a few days, see does he practice what he preaches.

Who was he collecting from work anyway, seems a strange thing to tell us, was he maskless in the car with that person from a different household?

He was in his árse "driving into town to pick up someone from work". Someone told him there was an outdoor party and he went in to see for himself, so that he could publicly admonish it after. That's the problem when a senior public servant begins to think he's a dictator.

That doesn't excuse the fúckwits that left the place in a mess afterwards. Scúm, and I hope a few of them are recognised for the dirty fúcks they are.

MrMusician18

gansi wrote: »

They’ve no where to go. It could be even argued that the outdoor dining date of June 7 be pushed forward but that would require strong leadership. What if there was any kind of stampede there last night, has happened in crowded spaces before.The blame game is useless solutions are needed. Should be a wake up call for our leaders to open more spaces and activities. The litter there is gross but again as someone else said at an organized event there would be Marshall’s, bins, porto loos etc.Obviously this wasn’t one of those events hence the mess left behind. But yes solutions.

But dey hav no facilitieeees, another common refrain from people who refuse to acknowledge that their own behaviour is the cause of the issue.

According to Lawrence above this wasn't a confined space so a stampede would've been no issue :rolleyes: a quick evacuation of the area would've certainly resulted in injuries.

The blame game is necessary to stop it from happening again: and it's the individuals, businesses and gardai, in that order, that are responsible here. They had two arms to carry their cans and pints there, they still have them to carry them away.

MrMusician18

SPDUB wrote: »

The last 15 hours has shown how much relevance the European cup final has to the thread given as far as I can see nobody brought it again but concentrated on criticising Tony , Nephet , Govt and young people

I don't think the cup final has much relevance unless some venues were showing it on outdoor screens in the area and that was a contributing factor to the crowd gathering.

DebDynamite

What was the point anyway in pedestrianising that area of town before outdoor dining was allowed. Who or what were they closing the streets for?

Eod100

podgeandrodge wrote: »

He was in his árse "driving into town to pick up someone from work". Someone told him there was an outdoor party and he went in to see for himself, so that he could publicly admonish it after. That's the problem when a senior public servant begins to think he's a dictator.

That doesn't excuse the fúckwits that left the place in a mess afterwards. Scúm, and I hope a few of them are recognised for the dirty fúcks they are.

Why would be bother or have to lie? He could have just said he was passing through town and left it that. Not everything is a conspiracy tbf

ClosedAccountFuzzy

How Irish crowds behave is a known. Event managers and organisers have been dealing with them for as long as organised events have existed.

We’re messy. We get get drunk but by and large we aren’t actually that prone to violence or aggression.

If you understand how an Irish crowd behaves, you work with that behaviour and plan and organise the city to work with them rather than against them, it will work smoothly.

The skills, knowledge and experience all exist.

I’ve a lot of time for NPHET but they need to be working with people who know what they’re doing when it comes to designing and organising events, people flows, positive messaging and all of that.

All I see is quite top down and heavy public health messaging and we are now moving into a new stage where there’s an expectation of a safe & positive reopening.

We have to find the positive, optimistic messaging here. I fully agree with Panti. You won’t achieve anything by lecturing and moralising. You need to lead and make things happen with an energy that inspires good outcomes.

I think while it’s very well intentioned, the messaging cannot be patronising or it will be ignored.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

But dey hav no facilitieeees, another common refrain from people who refuse to acknowledge that their own behaviour is the cause of the issue.

According to Lawrence above this wasn't a confined space so a stampede would've been no issue :rolleyes: a quick evacuation of the area would've certainly resulted in injuries.

The blame game is necessary to stop it from happening again: and it's the individuals, businesses and gardai, in that order, that are responsible here. They had two arms to carry their cans and pints there, they still have them to carry them away.

Blame and shame and guilt tripping won’t work. Solutions are needed. Another example talked about here last night is the disgraceful shortage of toilet access in Ireland during covid. A website called pee.ie has even been set up to help people find facilities in an area they are visiting. Now that’s an example of helping to solve a problem or find a solution. If more spaces and places were open people would have other choices and the street could be kept clear for outdoor diners, pedestrians etc. Ireland is so backward in so many ways and workable solutions are all too quickly shot down in favour of blame.

PatrickDoherty

Local businesses selling takeaway pints, off licenses and food venders should be all taxed a clean up charge while they are contributing to this problem, that will pay for round the clock cleaning.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

He was in his árse "driving into town to pick up someone from work". Someone told him there was an outdoor party and he went in to see for himself, so that he could publicly admonish it after. That's the problem when a senior public servant begins to think he's a dictator...

Eod100 wrote: »

Why would be bother or have to lie? He could have just said he was passing through town and left it that. Not everything is a conspiracy tbf

I'll tell you why, in my opinion

When people concoct a story to explain themselves, they regularly provide more detail than is necessary. If he had just said he was "passing through town" like you say, I might have believed him. The extra bit of information is 'doth protest too much' material!

ClosedAccountFuzzy

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Local businesses selling takeaway pints, off licenses and food venders should be all taxed a clean up charge while they are contributing to this problem, that will pay for round the clock cleaning.

Can’t really see that working. People bring slabs of cans, spirits, etc from all over the place.

Why would you punish already struggling business local to the occurrence? They already pay huge rates, income tax, VAT etc

PatrickDoherty

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Can’t really see that working. People bring slabs of cans, spirits, etc from all over the place.

Why would you punish already struggling business local to the occurrence? They already pay huge rates, income tax, VAT etc

Something needs to be done from their side, handing out the good willy nilly with no responsibility, even add the cost onto the price of the food and drinks let the customer absorb the fee.

MrMusician18

His reason for being in town is irrelevant though. Seems like an odd detail to focus on.

If he said, someone told me about this and I went in for a gander myself, would that change the thrust of his point? No it wouldn't.

Eod100

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'll tell you why, in my opinion

When people concoct a story to explain themselves, they regularly provide more detail than is necessary. If he had just said he was "passing through town" like you say, I might have believed him. The extra bit of information is 'doth protest too much' material!

Surely that's a confirmation bias though? Not like you have anything else to go off to demonstrate it's a lie. Maybe he thought people would be questioning or making inferences why he was in town in the first place and so tweeted that detail.

DebDynamite

Yeah, does it really matter what he was doing in town? You’re allowed to drive anywhere you want now, so he doesn’t have to make excuses for anything. Do you think he was having takeaway pints himself?

newuser99999

DebDynamite wrote: »

Yeah, does it really matter what he was doing in town? You’re allowed to drive anywhere you want now, so he doesn’t have to make excuses for anything. Do you think he was having takeaway pints himself?

Why the need for him to have a holier than thou attitude so?

DebDynamite

newuser99999 wrote: »

Why the need for him to have a holier than thou attitude so?

He was having a go at people in a large outdoor gathering. What’s your point?