Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285437#Comment_118285437

The problem isnt the bit of wind making things unsafe to get kids in and out of schools.

Its the fact every bloody window has to be open because apparently thats better practise than Hepa Filters. Try opening every door and window in your house today and see how ye get on for 5 minutes never mind trying to read, write, keep your copy on the desk etc etc.

Schools would be grand today if ye could close the bloody windows.

kleiner feigling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285476#Comment_118285476

My opinion and the opinion of several HCWs in the family. Other opinions are available.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285483#Comment_118285483

So the EU countries didn't stop giving moderna entirely as you put it.

We've been here before with vaccines being restricted to certain age groups, do we really need to go though it all again for boosters!

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285370#Comment_118285370

Yes and countries are doing the same throughout Europe because they have to use the Pfizer for the kids and supplies are low, but no one wants the Moderna one because they have banned it for younger age groups in lots of places. So people are naturally sceptical about.

You would of thought seen as no kids die from it, it would of been a good idea to start the boosters first considering those most at risk now are the ones who got vaccinated first.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285511#Comment_118285511

My bad, it was paused for all age groups in Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland.

They then resumed giving it to 18+, 30+, 30+ and 60+ (booster only) respectively.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285496#Comment_118285496

It's nothing to do with that. Schools have been closed for red weather warnings before this pandemic and will be closed again after it.

The last time they were closed for a storm it was also pretty much a non-event. For the sake of one day of school, I don't know why people are so obsessed with this. Yes, it's overly cautious, but it's also one day of school.

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285569#Comment_118285569

Im talking about schools in areas under orange warnings as per the post i replied to which was referring to Dublin which i believe was under an orange warning.

Areas under red warnings automatically close schools. I agree i dont see the big issue with closing for one day but when i queried the fact that normally schools didnt close under orange warnings the headmaster said it was because of the fact they also have to keep windows and doors open.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285357#Comment_118285357

How long can it go on with boosters and passes

Bi-annual boosters for something as mild as covid(in most cases) is ridiculous

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285504#Comment_118285504

Opinions.

As a patient, you don't get to choose what is prescribed to you. You never do. A patient can ask for a different vaccine, and is entitled to refuse the one that is offered, but there is no entitlement to be given the one that you ask for. This is the medical standard and has been for donkey's. It's why we have the whole pharmacy/prescription framework.

If you wish to get a booster and are not comfortable receiving the Moderna, then you can just wait a month. As you indicated that you're just barely over 30, then if you weren't in a special cohort you won't be eligible for your booster until mid-late January anyway.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285534#Comment_118285534

Hard to imagine countries with low vaccine take-up are low on Pfizer for their boosters.

I haven't seen any reports of Pfizer delivery delays etc...

559mil doses delivered, 483mil doses used within the EU/EEA area.

Schools closing for red warnings is fine. That's what the red warning is there for.

But closing under amber is strange.

The way things are going with COVID and the weather I wonder if we'll soon be discussing winter lockdowns and school over the summer when it's safer.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285589#Comment_118285589

Headmaster wasn't paying attention then. It was stated clearly last night that the reason Orange areas were advised to close was because there was a strong possibility of an upgrade to red overnight. So it was advisable just to make the call yesterday evening. There were loads of jokes flying about last night about "too much ventilation", but the open windows weren't the reason schools were advised to close.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285616#Comment_118285616

You can keep wondering as long as you want.

Happydays2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285178#Comment_118285178

So for various reasons there are staff there to deliver vaccines and there are people who want them, are eligible and are waiting to be called. Can they not have a waiting list for a given day in a given centre? Register and see if there is capacity?

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285623#Comment_118285623

Yeah i think the headmaster in the school is kinda gone beyond taking the "clearly stated official guidance" as gospel on anything related to schools these days (schools are safe and all the COVID transmission is coming from outside dont forget) to be honest as are a lot of people and was looking at the practicalities of the situation.

Where i am south facing classrooms with all the windows open today wasnt going to be feasible to be fair to the man, every architect designed house/building maximising solar gain by south facing was taking a battering over the past few hours

kleiner feigling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285607#Comment_118285607

I never suggested that a patient should be entitled to dictate their prescription...?

The issue here is that patients will doubtless present for vaccination without advance notice that they must 'take it or leave it' (which they are free to do). Some may refuse, leading to wastes resources.

Another issue with this is that a collaborative approach (concordance) is not possible.

Patient safety might not be adequately considered in circumstances where utilitarianism takes precedence due to having only one product available. There are other ethical issues at play due to the lack of data available around mixing vaccines from different providers and what the impact (positive or negative or nil) might be to individual patients (patient-centred approach)

It is far from ideal. Can we expect perfection in the current circumstances? Probably not.

Should we accept it? That's for individuals to decide with their healthcare providers.

iamwhoiam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285689#Comment_118285689

Or booking online which would make far more sense

Rynaldo

I can't imagine why people wouldn't be showing up for their booster, I mean the vaccine has been such a game-changer, the end of restrictions / lockdowns etc, why wouldn't you want one.

Dr. Bre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285642#Comment_118285642

Sunburn in Ireland in the summer lol

hopgirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285365#Comment_118285365

My mum got a text with her appointment for her booster but she only can ring and answer calls. Wasn't until I called to her and looked at her phone and seen the message. It was two days after her appointment when I seen it. I have showed her loads of times how to get up text messages etc but it's hopeless 🙈. Might more like her that doesn't know how to get a text up for their booster.

is_that_so

5,590 new cases, leftovers from yesterday one would presume. 505 in hospital and 117 in ICU.

Happydays2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285714#Comment_118285714

You are right. They seem rigid in the approach and should aim to get as many vaccines in as possible. Even to have vaccines over to x age group 3/4 days in advance but open to the next group the day before for open slots.

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1468270404804521984

5590

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118281466#Comment_118281466

This post above is a complete misrepresentation of what I said

You have just twisted everything and that article is not the one I referenced in my post . As if you are interested really , I posted the information on here about 2 weeks ago.

If I thought you would read it this time I would post it again , but you know what , can't be bothered . Your answer is rude so you can look it up yourself .

The article I quoted before is the NOCA Covid paper re ICU since the pandemic.

There are many articles on that site which go into a lot of detail some of it unwieldy if not working in the area.

On the original issue I did not say it was ignorant to "look for information "as you say

It is certainly not ignorant to look for information, but is to make claims when you don't know the facts.And then refuse to accept or read any information given in good faith by a nurse specialising in the area you are spouting about.

Maybe you don't understand the information? . I do understand the medical terms and I have attempted on here to speak in plainer language mostly, where appropriate , but I won't attempt to explain further to be treated with such rudeness and contempt by you or anyone else.

I have not made the claim you attribute to me about patients in ICU with Covid and will not say anything more as that will probably be twisted out of recognition also .( I knew you were being totally disingenuous when I read that )

That statement of yours is totally incorrect and I think you know it was not what I said .

What I said was that anybody in ICU with Covid was very sick with it , no matter how they got it .

The data you are seeking ( why, I don't know, unless you are writing up a paper on it?) will become available once proper procedures and consent have been processed .

This has been explained before ,many times, but no answer is good enough for some here ...its all a big cover up , isn't it?

I don't think most people really want all the information they go on about. It is just to moan and whinge about their 'rights' being infringed upon if they are not provided with every detail.

In reality most people have NO RIGHT or ENTITLEMENT at all to that information, as it is belonging to the patients themselves or the individual institutions and, those same institutions have to account to the patients and their families for any release of information.

This has been explained countless times before but some here just don't get it.

Come back to me when and if you want to engage in mature manner . Which will not be anytime soon by the conduct of your previous posts .

I won't be responding to further trolling posts which I consider yours to be as you grossly misquoted me .

iamwhoiam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285766#Comment_118285766

Because its not flexible . You get a text with the appointment and it might not suit . Texting New to get a new one is hit and miss .

i don’t understand why its not a booking online system so people can pick a date that suits or plan ahead

Stheno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118286035#Comment_118286035

My GP has a booking online system which texts you to book an appointment and is pretty flexible

It's a relatively small practice of 3-4 GPs too

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285766#Comment_118285766

Probably because they demonstrably aren't the end of restrictions and lockdowns.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285496#Comment_118285496

Pretty much every expert has said that HEPA filters are a second choice to ventilation.

Working class heroes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118286371#Comment_118286371

Have you asked them all?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118286420#Comment_118286420

Well, haven't checked the Facebook experts in fairness.