German police close gigantic child porn site

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

Long before CA when this sort of thing belonged in AH you had to be the first in with the castration remark or you wouldn't get the dozens of thanks shoveled on.

Yeah the real problem relating to child abuse has always been people calling for paedophiles to be castrated online receiving validation from their peers.

Overheal

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Jequ0n

LarryBird wrote: »

I read an article online some years ago from Dutch police experts in this area that 6% of all males in Europe had regularly viewed pedo material online and more worryingly over 20% had viewed it at some stage.

As a father of 2 young kids at the time I found that frightening, I still do actually.

Actually...I should probably comment on this. When I was 16 or so I went to download some random porn and nudes via a popular torrent service at the time. Keyword search had been “teen” which I still believe to be one of the most popular search terms.

One of the hits was a nude that was at least 6 years off being a teen. I’ll spare you the details. I deleted it and realised that day that file names and descriptions have different meanings in different circles.In no way had I been looking for pictures of naked children but in statistics

I might be one of your 20% group there and I won’t be the only one that this happened to

Jinglejangle69

Jequ0n wrote: »

Actually...I should probably comment on this. When I was 16 or so I went to download some random porn and nudes via a popular torrent service at the time. Keyword search had been “teen” which I still believe to be one of the most popular search terms.

One of the hits was a nude that was at least 6 years off being a teen. I’ll spare you the details. I deleted it and realised that day that file names and descriptions have different meanings in different circles.In no way had I been looking for pictures of naked children but in statistics

I might be one of your 20% group there and I won’t be the only one that this happened to

TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

That's quite scary when you think about it.

Jequ0n

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

That's quite scary when you think about it.

It wasn’t a legal site but it really was a long time ago. Had I been so inclined I probably could have found more stuff via the uploaders library. Different era now

Overheal

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

That's quite scary when you think about it.

Matt Gaetz knows all about it

Stihl waters

400000 men worldwide on one site, makes you wonder just how many paedos there are in the world if a site like that can get that big

EddieN75

Edz87 wrote: »

All that stuff is traceable.

Tor and Tails is not traceable

Tren.

400,000

Am I right to be shocked at this number?

Galwayguy35

Anyone looking at that filth should be locked up and forgotten about, there ia a real victim behind every image and video.

TheValeyard

Doubt they'll get them with the IP. Good chance of getting them with crypto exchange.

ceadaoin.

Overheal wrote: »

Suddenly child porn is the wrong thing to call it yet all the relevant international and national laws refer to it commonly as child pornography. eg. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography

Its not suddenly, people have been saying it for years, including those in law enforcement, such as interpol below. Hopefully this starts to change soon but I won't hold my breath

https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology

TheValeyard

Tren. wrote: »

400,000

Am I right to be shocked at this number?

Yeah, it's staggering alright. That's just One site. **** knows how many are out there.

TheValeyard

TheValeyard wrote: »

Yeah, it's staggering alright. That's just One site. **** nows how many are out there.

More than the authorities can deal with, I'd imagine.

touts

Tren. wrote: »

400,000

Am I right to be shocked at this number?

Shocking.

But the one upside of there being 400,000 of the evil bastards being on the site is hopefully a substantial number of those identified will live in countries where they will be slowly castrated by a bag of hungry rats before getting a bullet in the head live on TV rather than the "poor you would you like another therapy session" punishment they will get here.

Dr Devious

JustAThought wrote: »

There are no victimless crimes in the rape and sexual mutilation of a baby, or toddler, or little child.

Darina Allens husband - a convicted paedophile - was allowed plead guilty to just ONE case of the 40,000 images of depraved acts on children. MNy of these children were trafficed or kidnapped or missing and were never recovered.

He was allowed make this plea in Irish courts and given a 9 month sentence which was then changed to NO jail time but a cushy 240 hours community service. Their Ballymaloe cookery school and guesthouse website pre covid still showed family rooms to rent in their guesthouse with teddybears for children on the beds and a playground outside the front door.. She NEVER stood up against him and RTE, and the Examiner still promote her & her products and disgustingly they have/had become entwined with a schools programme - giving access to classrooms and children all around the country. You couldn’t make it up.

Extermination like rabid rats is too good for them. - all of them. Taking the photos, paying to see them, kidnapping or tricking and abusing the children, doing the website that enables it, being the finamcier or accountant - all of them. Make it a consequence so ****ing frightening that they will never be involved. Assets seized, proceeds or suspected proceeds of crime - every ****ing one of them and their wives and children.

Every time I see that Ballymaloe relish I feel sick.

Based on your logic, any convicted perverts wife/husband/sister/brother/cousin/whatever should be ostracised and vilified to the end of time just because they’re related to them but otherwise ENTIRELY innocent of the crime. Darina Allen did nothing wrong so it’s hardly right to vilify her and Ballymaloe etc for one persons crime.

Overheal

Dr Devious wrote: »

Based on your logic, any convicted perverts wife/husband/sister/brother/cousin/whatever should be ostracised and vilified to the end of time just because they’re related to them but otherwise ENTIRELY innocent of the crime. Darina Allen did nothing wrong so it’s hardly right to vilify her and Ballymaloe etc for one persons crime.

Not just vilified, but "extermination like rabid rats"

Civil rights or presumption of innocence be damned.

Overheal

JustAThought wrote: »

Darina Allens husband - a convicted paedophile - was allowed plead guilty to just ONE case of the 40,000 images of depraved acts on children. MNy of these children were trafficed or kidnapped or missing and were never recovered.

You seem to be implying that by pleading guilty that's the reason they were missing and never recovered? From what I gather Tim Allen (every joke already, surely), wasn't prosecuted for human trafficking yet you seem to imply that he was involved in the kidnapping and hiding or that a more harsh retributive sentence may have somehow resulted, by some direct logic, in the recovery of some of those children?

He was allowed make this plea in Irish courts and given a 9 month sentence which was then changed to NO jail time but a cushy 240 hours community service.

Forgetting that he agreed to pay 40k euro to a charity that would, in fact, work to combat human trafficking. And, the state would forego the costs of jailing a person whom was already contrite and restitutive, and whom can never lead a normal life again subject to your sex offender registry and his inescapable reputation.

Their Ballymaloe cookery school and guesthouse website pre covid still showed family rooms to rent in their guesthouse with teddybears for children on the beds and a playground outside the front door.. She NEVER stood up against him and RTE, and the Examiner still promote her & her products and disgustingly they have/had become entwined with a schools programme - giving access to classrooms and children all around the country. You couldn’t make it up.

That doesn't match the record:

The family, worried about the financial fall-out after Mr Allen’s conviction for possession of child pornography on Thursday, issued a joint statement stating his future involvement with Ballymaloe would “not be in the best interests of the business”.

Mr Allen, who was fined €40,000 and ordered to do 240 hours of community service after he downloaded images of children engaged in sexual acts, also apologised for what he had done. The statement followed a family meeting yesterday about the future of the business, which was hit over the weekend. A spokesman for the family said a number of gift vouchers and cookery course bookings (a 12-week course costs up to €7,650) had been cancelled and dinner bookings at Ballymaloe House Hotel had also been affected.

“There were a number of callers who said they would never again dine at Ballymaloe,” the spokesman said. However, the family said it had arrived at its decision to distance Tim from its business interests out of “a deep concern and sense of shame” at the notion that his conviction was in any way viewed by them as a trivial matter.

The statement added: “They [the family] wish to make known their absolute abhorrence of child pornography in any form and express their deepest regret at the hurt that has been caused to so many people by the perception that this might not be the case.”

The family said it was acutely conscious the values for which Ballymaloe has been seen to stand appeared to have been damaged by the scandal: “For the avoidance of doubt, the family cling to these values and will seek to continue to promote them.”

Mr Allen apologised publicly for the first time for the pain he had caused, saying: “What I did was wrong, I am deeply sorry and I will live with the shame of it for the rest of my life. I greatly appreciate the loving support of my wife and family and I apologise unreservedly for what I did.”

Mrs Allen thanked staff, customers and friends for their support over the past few days. The statement said the family recognised that Tim’s continued involvement in the family business would not serve the hundreds of jobs dependent on it. A spokesman for the Allens said last night that, contrary to some media reports, Tim Allen had not left Ballymaloe after the statement was formulated.

Meanwhile, as controversy over the leniency of Allen’s sentence continued to rage, Tánaiste Mary Harney confirmed that the Government is to change the law to allow the Director of Public Prosecutions to appeal against what it regards as lenient sentences imposed in the District Courts.

Ms Harney said the Government had promised to do this in the Programme for Government, and was not taking this action as a result of the conviction of the chef.

There is still public support for Darina Allen and family. On Saturday, large numbers visited the farmers’ market in Midleton, which Darina Allen helped to set up a few years ago. A Ballymaloe spokesperson said she was warmly received and some people had given her flowers.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-10073776.html

Which hopefully illustrates how the business managed to continue, with customer support.

KeepItLight

Overheal wrote: »

Not just vilified, but "extermination like rabid rats"

Civil rights or presumption of innocence be damned.

this is the worst possible thing to have a 'right on' opinion on. anyone who is trying to defend 'civil rights' of kiddy fiddlers is seriously suspect. due process or not

nullzero

KeepItLight wrote: »

this is the worst possible thing to have a 'right on' opinion on. anyone who is trying to defend 'civil rights' of kiddy fiddlers is seriously suspect. due process or not

The "Paedophilia" and "Civil rights" Venn diagram for most people has no intersecting points, for others however...

Overheal

KeepItLight wrote: »

this is the worst possible thing to have a 'right on' opinion on. anyone who is trying to defend 'civil rights' of kiddy fiddlers is seriously suspect. due process or not

Do you accuse the solicitors, attorneys, etc. of engaging in pedophilia for providing the citizen with their civil right to due process?

Why? Or, why not? If not, then when does this specially apply?

Let's pretend for a moment the court just decided to exterminate Mr. Allen: well, aside from all the appeals and the associated costs, the reputation hit to Ireland for sliding backwards into something resembling Saudi Arabia (lol the irony), the anti-trafficking charity would be out 40k euro. Also, if extermination was on the table I doubt the defendant would have pleaded guilty and this would have resulted in more court time and incurred costs, taking up time for the court to do more meaningful things, like trying and/or convicting other dockets and cases.

KeepItLight

Overheal wrote: »

Do you accuse the solicitors, attorneys, etc. of engaging in pedophilia for providing the citizen with their civil right to due process?

Why? Or, why not? If not, then when does this specially apply?

i don't know where you got the idea that I said that.

but anyone who is trying to defend the rights of paedophiles is seriously suspect.
this is not a good hill for you to die on.

Overheal

KeepItLight wrote: »

i don't know where you got the idea that I said that.

but anyone who is trying to defend the rights of paedophiles is seriously suspect.
this is not a good hill for you to die on.

So what is "suspect" about the lawyers etc?

What do you propose should be done to those who represent such defendants in court?

Civil Rights is always a great hill to die on, in fact. Join me there.

KeepItLight

nullzero wrote: »

The "Paedophilia" and "Civil rights" Venn diagram for most people has no intersecting points, for others however...

nor should it.

Overheal

KeepItLight wrote: »

nor should it.

If I accuse you of pedophilia: do you still get the presumption of innocence? A day in court? Or do we just dispense with the pleasantries and do an on the spot execution?

I thought people had evolved since the witch trials if I'm being honest.

KeepItLight

Overheal wrote: »

So what is "suspect" about the lawyers etc?

What do you propose should be done to those who represent such defendants in court?

Civil Rights is always a great hill to die on, in fact. Join me there.

no rights for paedos, ever. there is no greater objective evil that should be wiped off the face of the planet, preferably painfully.

I'm no longer going to discuss this with you. You seem to have picked a side and I don't want to get sitebanned, which is likey to happen if i have to respond to this muck

I was watching a programme before on this topic and they had some guys who identities were concealed who had paedophilic thoughts/urges but didn't want to act on them. They wanted to try to get help, treatment, etc for it but they were afraid of being ostracized by their community.

What do people think of that scenario? They haven't broken any laws or committed offences. Should we try to help them to prevent them from offending (perhaps "cure" them), or feed them to rats, etc?

Overheal

KeepItLight wrote: »

no rights for paedos, ever. there is no greater objective evil that should be wiped off the face of the planet, preferably painfully.

So alright, if hypothetically I accuse you or someone close to you of being a pedophile you have no right to a speedy trial by a jury of your peers, all your personal items can be searched without warrant and your name can be plastered in the newspapers, and we have to presume your guilt by association of course if it's someone close to you.

Fair? Or should there be a process to determine someone's guilt and associated punishment, like a set of laws perhaps, maybe even a court system held up by a Constitution?

GreeBo

KeepItLight wrote: »

i don't know where you got the idea that I said that.

but anyone who is trying to defend the rights of paedophiles is seriously suspect.
this is not a good hill for you to die on.

Isn't the whole point of rights that everyone has and is entitled to them? While there will always be implications to those who break the law, we don't just abandon our morals and go feral, regardless of how heinous the crime might be.
It's what makes us civilized. If one wants the type of society that allows for beheading as a punishment then you also have to accept the other things that accompany that...

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

If I accuse you of pedophilia: do you still get the presumption of innocence? A day in court? Or do we just dispense with the pleasantries and do an on the spot execution?

I thought people had evolved since the witch trials if I'm being honest.

There's a difference between somebody making an accusation by word of mouth etc to somebody actively seeking out materials online which are 1 known to be illegal and 2 require the person seeking them to use the dark Web.

All of the 400,000 members of that site are paedophiles who actively pursued their sexual interest in children, they weren't people who were publicly named and shamed without evidence. Most of them will never be brought to justice.

The notion that civil rights of paedophiles needs to be respected and the invocation of witch trials as a means by which to measure peoples reaction to paedophilia is not reasonable.