German police close gigantic child porn site

Mimon

Deleted User wrote: »

There are more than you think.

Now, Ill keep things vague.

Many moons ago, in my office, I had to work quite hard to get a good rating.

My other colleague had it cushy and better pay another higher plush department, not his own office like the top brass, but everything else bar that.

5 years after I left that place of work saw his mugshot in evening herald after conviction for multiple child porn images

How the mighty had fallen, and never to return.

Could you not just have said that you had a work colleague who was caught doing depraved **** like this? Your post comes across as a work related gripe.

Stihl waters

Is paedophilia considered to be a recognised sexual attraction to children the same as heterosexuality/homosexuality or is it considered a depravity, scientifically speaking, are there some people with an attraction to children who will never act on it but still be classified as paedophiles

Mimon

Deleted User wrote: »

More than the authorities can deal with, I'd imagine.

They should recruit hundreds of specialists to investigate it, one of the most heinous crimes, should go after every one of them.

Overheal

GreeBo wrote: »

Isn't the whole point of rights that everyone has and is entitled to them? While there will always be implications to those who break the law, we don't just abandon our morals and go feral, regardless of how heinous the crime might be.
It's what makes us civilized. If one wants the type of society that allows for beheading as a punishment then you also have to accept the other things that accompany that...

Civil Rights that don't apply equally to everyone may as well apply to no one.

Civil Rights that apply to the worst of persons is the test of that.

Cheering on what happened at Abu Ghraib may as well be consent to be treated like you were in Abu Ghraib, etc. etc.

Mimon

Stihl waters wrote: »

Is paedophilia considered to be a recognised sexual attraction to children the same as heterosexuality/homosexuality or is it considered a depravity, scientifically speaking, are there some people with an attraction to children who will never act on it but still be classified as paedophiles

Not sure but there was an American man on Moncrieff on Newstalk and he was a pedophile that has never acted on it and was trying to encourage others to do the same.

Feels strange to say it but had to have admiration for him in a way.

eleventh

Deleted User wrote: »

I was watching a programme before on this topic and they had some guys who identities were concealed who had paedophilic thoughts/urges but didn't want to act on them. They wanted to try to get help, treatment, etc for it but they were afraid of being ostracized by their community.
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There's an agenda to normalise this evil - to see it as something that can be 'helped', 'understood', 'talked about' etc.

Overheal

Mimon wrote: »

They should recruit hundreds of specialists to investigate it, one of the most heinous crimes, should go after every one of them.

Agreed in principle but what's there feasibility. Where are the hundreds of specialists going to come from.

"sign up today to look at child sex abuse imagery to catch the bad guys"

The people who do work these jobs experience trauma as a result. How much would you have to be compensated to sift through it. Great appreciation for those whom already do.

Overheal

eleventh wrote: »

There's an agenda to normalise this evil - to see it as something that can be 'helped', 'understood', 'talked about' etc.

I don't know that it can be helped but like any other threat (to society), it absolutely needs to be well understood.

KeepItLight

GreeBo wrote: »

Isn't the whole point of rights that everyone has and is entitled to them? While there will always be implications to those who break the law, we don't just abandon our morals and go feral, regardless of how heinous the crime might be.
It's what makes us civilized. If one wants the type of society that allows for beheading as a punishment then you also have to accept the other things that accompany that...

i am not advocating for execution with no trial, i understand due process.

I am calling out the how suspect it is that certain posters first instincts in this thread are to jump to the defense of the rights of paedophiles.

Mimon

eleventh wrote: »

There's an agenda to normalise this evil - to see it as something that can be 'helped', 'understood', 'talked about' etc.

What's the alternative? Stick our heads in the sand and not try and understand what is driving them etc?

I had one experience where a pedophile was following my son in Spain, would rather the ones that are trying to stop themselves than a predator like that fk.

KeepItLight

eleventh wrote: »

There's an agenda to normalise this evil - to see it as something that can be 'helped', 'understood', 'talked about' etc.

i can see this happening here in the west, we'll lose any moral high-ground to 'enemies of democracy' if it does

Mimon

Overheal wrote: »

Agreed in principle but what's there feasibility. Where are the hundreds of specialists going to come from.

"sign up today to look at child sex abuse imagery to catch the bad guys"

The people who do work these jobs experience trauma as a result. How much would you have to be compensated to sift through it. Great appreciation for those whom already do.

Yeh, when typing I knew it probably was not realistic but as much resources should be thrown at it as it is up there/worse than murder in terms of serious crimes.

A start would be trying to catch the ones looking at it.

eleventh

eleventh wrote: »

There's an agenda to normalise this evil - to see it as something that can be 'helped', 'understood', 'talked about' etc.

Yeah I've seen that agenda out there. But I'm not talking about normalising the abuse, that should never be considered. I'm just wondering how many could be steered away from offending with treatment. The alternative is to act only after the abuse has occurred, which is our current strategy.

Overheal

KeepItLight wrote: »

i am not advocating for execution with no trial, i understand due process.

I am calling out the how suspect it is that certain posters first instincts in this thread are to jump to the defense of the rights of paedophiles.

Your observation is incorrect, however it shouldn't be suspect at all.

Rather the first instincts involving this conversation were that everyone tangentially involved in child sexual abuse, from the accounting to the viewing, should all be exterminated like rabid rats. Literally, exterminated, like rabid rats. No holds for trials or due process mentioned, just if you had a hand in it, exterminate them like rabid rats. I don't think rabid rats have a right to due process, nor do I find any good faith interpretation of that which would assume they have due process or civil rights if they are being treated as less than human, and therefore beneath warranting of human rights.

I am however flummoxed about what you are suspicious about? Care to share?

eleventh

Mimon wrote: »

What's the alternative? Stick our heads in the sand and not try and understand what is driving them etc?

I had one experience where a pedophile was following my son in Spain, would rather the ones that are trying to stop themselves than a predator like that fk.

Some problems are not solvable. This is one of them.

If money is to be spent, there are worthy causes to spend on.

KeepItLight

KeepItLight wrote: »

no rights for paedos, ever. there is no greater objective evil that should be wiped off the face of the planet, preferably painfully.

I'm no longer going to discuss this with you. You seem to have picked a side and I don't want to get sitebanned, which is likey to happen if i have to respond to this muck

Pretty bizarre post. Some basic civil rights get extended to everyone regardless of what heinous crimes they've committed. It's part and parcel of living in a functioning society, regardless of how hard it is to swallow

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Agreed in principle but what's there feasibility. Where are the hundreds of specialists going to come from.

"sign up today to look at child sex abuse imagery to catch the bad guys"

The people who do work these jobs experience trauma as a result. How much would you have to be compensated to sift through it. Great appreciation for those whom already do.

Surely there's AI that can sift through this filth.
Sweetie 3.0...

Overheal

eleventh wrote: »

Some problems are not solvable. This is one of them.

If money is to be spent, there are worthy causes to spend on.

I'd much rather focus on the elimination of human trafficking, but can see why psychology buffs etc. are interested in the problem from another angle.

Overheal

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Surely there's AI that can sift through this filth.
Sweetie 3.0...

I guarantee you some are in operation and are being trained etc.

No direct evidence to point to other than experience with deep learning software, which is coming into its own and is packaged along with computing packages like MATLAB etc. but if one of these people who has to look at this thought it could be automated so they don't have to as much, I trust they already have, and that this type of thing was probably among the reasons for DL's development.

MrMusician18

Has no one else noticed or remarked how odd it is that an investigator is seemingly looking for tech tips on boards on how to process the investigation?

Doesn't inspire much confidence tbh.

Overheal

Hhhhh wrote: »

Pretty bizarre post. Some basic civil rights get extended to everyone regardless of what heinous crimes they've committed. It's part and parcel of living in a functioning society, regardless of how hard it is to swallow

Surely it's one of the first things they teach you in law school, or go on about rhetorically, ie. challenging students if they could be a Zealous Advocate for an accused pedophile etc.

Mimon

eleventh wrote: »

Some problems are not solvable. This is one of them.

If money is to be spent, there are worthy causes to spend on.

So you don't try and catch people who create and watch heinous child abuse?

Can't think of many other problems that is more worthy to try and solve.

Overheal

Mimon wrote: »

So you don't try and catch people who create and watch heinous child abuse?

Can't think of many other problems that is more worthy to try and solve.

They were apparently responding to you re: the 'curing' etc. of pedophilia:

"What's the alternative? Stick our heads in the sand and not try and understand what is driving them etc?"

Not anything about not prosecuting or enforcing existing laws on child sexual exploitation.

cgcsb

Germany has been patting its self on the back lately for taking a health lead approach on peadophilia, which they claim dramatically reduces the incidence of offending. Basically they offer potential offenders anonnymous therapy. They may be right and the location of where the ring was found is immaterial. But I wonder is the health led approach adding a degree of permissibility in what is already probably the most sexually permissive country.

Germany/Austria seems to be a bit of a hub for paraphillias such as sexual cannibalism, paedophilia and incest. I remember an interview with Joseph Fritzel in which he said "maybe you should look in other people's basements" which sounded quite chilling and indicates that there are long standing groups for these things that seem to predate the Internet. You'd wonder how these things could possibly exist before the Internet. Perhaps there's some cultural reason for this and a different relationship with violence.

People calling for extreme and barbaric punishments are a bit of an eye roll tbh. Like what will this achieve other than making treatment harder to get and increasing the number of offenders and the danger to children being held captive.

Snake Plisken

Amazing how you get posters on here trying to normalize it by the old we need to understand the poor Peado and they have human rights that we need to respect. Nah screw that if your commiting acts on small children or going onto the dark web to watch this then chemical castration and sex offenders register for life!

Overheal

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Amazing how you get posters on here trying to normalize it by the old we need to understand the poor Peado and they have human rights that we need to respect. Nah screw that if your commiting acts on small children or going onto the dark web to watch this then chemical castration and sex offenders register for life!

"Chemical castration reduces recidivism effectively when offered to sexual offenders within the context of simultaneous comprehensive psychotherapeutic treatment. However, chemical castration under the current laws is vaguely positioned between punishment and treatment due to lack of informed consent by the recipient, and so remains a problematic issue for medical ethics."

Interesting subject altogether. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565125/

In the context of stopping the crime of viewing I'm sure it would help but not eliminate it. I imagine some of the more perverse would continue to desire the content to view regardless.

Even the devil has an advocate, Snake, and in our society Civil Rights, and that's the point of having them. None of my comments should be in any way misconstrued as some defense of pedophilia or the sexual exploitation of minors or anyone of any age.

Snake Plisken

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Amazing how you get posters on here trying to normalize it by the old we need to understand the poor Peado and they have human rights that we need to respect. Nah screw that if your commiting acts on small children or going onto the dark web to watch this then chemical castration and sex offenders register for life!

I'm amazed how some posters are unable to read.

Potential-Monke

Good to hear they were caught, but I can't imagine too many of the 400k will be caught, only the idiots who used identifying information.

But I have a question on the overall issue, and I do like to play Devils Advocate. What age is the cut off? Are we going with the Irish age of consent, 18? Or the Ukranian one of 16? How about Japans 13? What if you were in a legal relationship in those countries, and took pictures as couples sometimes do. Should they be done for having child porn?

And why is 18 our age of consent, when most people would consider an 18 year old still young/immature (and science saying the teen years usually go into the mid/late 20's). Also, does it extend to naturist photos? A quick Google Image search for "naturist" or "nudist" will return some questionable images, but it's legal because naturism/nudism. Just to note, anyone who does that is, according to some on here, a paedo and should be executed without trial.

I also agree with another poster on here, back in the early internet days, it was possible to accidentally get child porn images/videos. As a teen, strangely I was attracted to other teens, but that word is in both areas, legal and illegal. It is still, by and far, the most searched term today. And why are we still sexualising school uniforms? Every Halloween, you would need many, many hands to count all the "schoolgirl sluts" out and about on the lash.

I agree it's wrong, and those involved should be severly punished, but we're looking at it from the point of view of our society and its laws, other countries are more or less lax. It needs a worldwide approach, and while we still have countries that think it's ok above a certain age (but below our 18) it'll never get solved.

riffmongous

Wait, Japan is 13? Is there some caveat there?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

I assume everything was done through Tor and any transactions were done through crypto so I don’t imagine you’ll have much luck finding answers through social media

How is crypto not traceable?