German police close gigantic child porn site

Padre_Pio

JustAThought wrote: »

As for the people here who support baby rapists and activities that involve those horrific crimes - you’ve shown your true colours. Continue banging your drum to allow baby rapists and the predators of children walk free and support their businesses.We know who you are now.

Who are they?

Jequ0n

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Who are they?

Im curious too as I didn’t see anyone defend crimes against children. But i guess the poster can’t respond any more

Necro

PatrickIde1187 wrote: »

Honestly how anyone can try and defend someone who rapes a child and wants to understand the feelings they have is just mind-boggling. They dont deserve rights of any kind . A bullet would be too kind to these monsters

Don't post in this thread again

Galwayguy35

Watched a programme on Sky a few years ago where this guy was arrested for downloading this stuff but it turned out that his wife who he was divorcing knew the passwords for his laptop and did it to get back at him.

This man had the money and resources to fight his case but its frightening to think something like that could happen.

Thats why people should have their day in court even if they are the scum of the earth although I do think the punishment for crimes like this in Ireland anyway are way too soft.

10pennymixup

Stihl waters wrote: »

400000 men worldwide on one site, makes you wonder just how many paedos there are in the world if a site like that can get that big

The thing is, it won't be all men.

There have been many convictions of women producing/ uploading this type of abhorrent material , even in this country.

Overheal

10pennymixup wrote: »

The thing is, it won't be all men.

There have been many convictions of women producing/ uploading this type of abhorrent material , even in this country.

Like the Lostprophets/Ian Watkins matter. 2 mothers of victims were complicit with him on it. Everything else about that case is even harder to mention, readers continue at your peril. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets_singer) but reportedly he's still offending from prison, with a cell phone, and also was accused of grooming another mother while in prison still.

The judge said the case "plunged into new depths of depravity".[20] A senior investigating officer on the case described Watkins as a "committed, organised paedophile" and "potentially the most dangerous sex offender" he had ever seen.[23]

nullzero

The problem with peoples attitudes towards paedophiles with particular emphasis on expressing a willingness to do away with due process and enact summary justice upon child sex offenders has its roots in the way in which the judicial systems of most countries deal with paedophiles.

Paedophilia is not something that can be treated so the notion that a short custodial sentence will result in rehabilitation is demonstrably wrong. The levels of recidivism amongst convicted child molesters can seem to vary from different reports but the urges they fell remain, and the possibility of re offending remains a reality that society has to deal with.

Simply put, there are too many opportunities for paedophiles to re offend, be it in the form of actual physical interactions with children or viewing online materials.

As a result people feel the issue is not being addressed as harshly as it should be.

Minimum sentencing needs to increase dramatically for starters, some of the sentencing for these type of offences is pitiful which only encourages more over the top reactions from people. Some might do well to remember just how emotive a subject this is.

cgcsb

Having regular meetings with a social worker and having severely restricted Internet access post release would would be an effective way to eliminate reoffending risk. There should also be an emphasis on pre-offending treatment lead by the health service. But of course this would require society deal with the issue in a mature manor.

ILoveYourVibes

Shield wrote: »

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Any technical people out there know if it's possible to get real IP addresses from this subscriber dataset?

Source

My bro is a techie person ..this is actually exactly what he does.

So correct me if i am wrong ..but my thinking is this.


If it were a normal site ...that needed ssl certs from an authority ...yes ..its a site that used self signed ssls certs ...yes ..if its a site that didn't use such certs ...yes...(its unencrypted) .but looking for a needle in a hay stack.

If its not using ssl (as I assume it used ssl self signed certs since its an illegal site expecting bad people and hackers anway)

But this would make the site very vulnerable. Not just to the users themselves (who i assume would be people down with doing shady stuff anyway but others black mailers hackers etc).


Some SSL self signed certs misconfigure themselves (its inbuild to stop them being used on the dark net for bad things) Well its not that its inbuilt ...see for illegal stuff you need to have self signed SSL certs ..that is


These self signed certs ...often become visible on the light web at the exact same time as they go on the dark web and are continuously visible until the user logs off .

Also people who use self signed certs are vulnerable to malware and a lot of illegal sites get people spreading that stuff. And the spread of that malware can be tracked.

All legit SSL configurations ...are by design MEANT to be seen on the light web. So if you are trying to get a cert that isn't from an authority ...its self signed or ..third party signed and they will have your info ...but these self signed ones are usually poorly configured.

Also the SSL self signed certs are sometimes actually EASIER for hackers and security people to track.

I doubt they are using SSL certs from a trusted authority and if they were you could just ring up said authority and ask ...

So long answer short ....some of the subscribers yes ...i would say a lot of them...but possibly not all.

People always say having ssl certs for tor is a big vulnerability ...but so is not encrypting anything! Either way ..you are visible.

Now that is just from a technical point of view. Its very likely a lot of users were not using the site in a location that can be connected with them. I.E it was somewhere they went drove to etc specifically for the purpose.

but its other things as well ....digital footprints ..where else did these subbies go after this site ..that would be much easier to find.

Things in the images. Location etc ..date.

Also i assume when they found the site before they closed it and took it down the police tried certain things like payloading javascript causing computers to call back with a real IP etc .

I mean if they were able to take the site down ..it means they were able to hack it.

ILoveYourVibes

harmless wrote: »

So yes they can go after users of the site, people are careless and leave evidence behind especially when they think they are invulnerable to tracking.
However it's very time consuming to track them down. If the police go after more users it will be just some of the more active ones who posted thousands of images.

Its time consuming but they can let bots and computers do some of it.

ILoveYourVibes

Stihl waters wrote: »

400000 men worldwide on one site, makes you wonder just how many paedos there are in the world if a site like that can get that big

And that is only ONE site.

topdecko

400,000 the mind boggles and as pointed out above that is only on one site. It sparks visceral disgust at such treatment of children. There have to severe sentences handed to people caught with such images to dissuade them from this sort of behaviour.
Given the scale of it Organised Crime and adults at multiple levels of society are involved. The driver for all this is poverty and the associated vulnerability of young people who grow up in such circumstances. It is a complex problem but it conforms to the same economic principles as all other activity and that is supply and demand. There are a significant number of adults (mostly male, some female) who are sexually attracted to minors. This is a fact of life and until the only game in town is protecting children from their predatory instincts. My children will not leave my sight until they are 16. The ultimate responsibility here lies with the parents and by extension the state in these jurisdictions. Expecting a paedophile to resist their natural urges is like asking a scorpion not to bite you - the scorpion can profess to having changed and undergo as many rehabilitative courses as you demand but it cannot fundamentally alter its underlying nature.
I try to believe in redemption and betterment of man but am very cynical when it comes to paedophiles.

biko

Stihl waters wrote: »

400000 men worldwide on one site, makes you wonder just how many paedos there are in the world if a site like that can get that big

Although it is probably mostly men, don't forget women can have this perversion too.

KeepItLight

KeepItLight wrote: »

yes. I said paedo, not 'person accused of paedophilia'.

As in convicted.

If someone mentions a murderer or bank robber - do you assume they are only talking about people accused, but not convicted, of these crime?
Or do you only extend this grace to child-rapists?

What happens if these people are wrongly convicted? It can happen. But one would never know since they would have no right of appeal in your strange World.

Lmkrnr

Lmkrnr wrote: »

There's plenty of Peado apologists on boards.

If legislation came up for a vote to castrate Peados then it would pass overwhelmingly.

If said law was in place and someone thought they were going to do something then they should seek help before they get the chop chop.

But the law's are soft so we are where we are now.

Nobody here is a paedo apologist. People are standing up for having a functioning society, upon which civil rights are a foundation. Suggesting such people are 'peado apologists' is simply disingenuous in the extreme.

Do you believe people convicted of a crime should have right to appeal?