Which glasses for scopes

MickB140

Wondering what people's thoughts are regarding the best specs to wear for target shooting with a scope?
Distance or reading?
I am finding it hard to focus on the reticle and the target at the same time.

clivej

for many years now I just adjusted the Diopter for my eyes, i needed reading glasses.
Only lately I have got distance glasses, I need to use these all the time now, great yokes so they are.

Just this Sunday I I re-adjusted the Diopter and used with my new reading glasses. Much the same as before. I can still see the reticle and target

Wadi14

That's an interesting question, my take on it is in a rifle scope with magnification if you have the diopter and parallax set up precisely correct, there shouldn't be one thing less clear than the other. When viewing through a rifle scope the reticle and target are in the same plane.

So I suggest you double check your diopter setting against a white background and set your reticle to its clearest picture for your eyes, then check your parallax for the distance your shooting giving you the clearest picture of the target.

So now you have a clear reticle and a clear target so where do you focus for me it's bounce between both until I'm happy to squeeze off the shot at that stage I'm focusing on the target, why you say are you focusing on the target because that's where my round is going to hit, and I want to see that.

As for the glasses it shouldn't really matter because your going to set your diopter to the best clearest reticle picture anyway before you shoot.
I wear glasses I can shoot with them or remove them and adjust my diopter and shoot without them just as easily.

Feisar

Wadi14 wrote: »

So now you have a clear reticle and a clear target so where do you focus for me it's bounce between both until I'm happy to squeeze off the shot at that stage I'm focusing on the target, why you say are you focusing on the target because that's where my round is going to hit, and I want to see that.

Interesting, the dogma from Snipershide/Ryan Cleckner is to treat the reticle the same as the front post with iron sights, i.e. that's where you focus. Is this possibly a hangover from army/marine training and is there a different methodology for straight to scope shooters?

Please see my question as just that, not trying to pick holes in what works for to you.

Wadi14

When we look through a scope the first thing we see is the reticle, not the target so you are automatically focusing on it until you locate your target, we should be able to see both pretty clear during the aim. As I'm shooting very small bulls I concentrate on the reticle placement on the bull as I fire I want to see the Bull clearly and the fall of shot, but I can still see the reticle.

Everyone is told when learning open sights focus on the front sight , but when they change to say a red dot on a pistol there is no front sight so most still focus on the red dot. WE prob should be focusing on the placement of the red dot on the target by looking at the target and moving the dot to the center.

Not to take away from Micks question, he like me and a lot of guys see changes in our vision and need to play about with glasses to help, but we should be able to have a clear picture of reticle and target if your aim is correct and you release the shot properly does it matter if your looking at the reticle or target in that 10th of a second, I don't think so.

clivej

Just thinking here (I try not to do it too often) I don't think I've ever had the problem of not seeing the reticle and target at the same time.
Or is it that when I look at the target the reticle goes a little out of focus but I don't notice it?
When the reticle is focused and the Parallax is good, to me both are focused OK.

zeissman

clivej wrote: »

Just thinking here (I try not to do it too often) I don't think I've ever had the problem of not seeing the reticle and target at the same time.
Or is it that when I look at the target the reticle goes a little out of focus but I don't notice it?
When the reticle is focused and the Parallax is good, to me both are focused OK.

I also need glasses for reading. I don't wear them when shooting and I just do the same as wadi.
I adjust the diopter to get a sharp reticle and never touch it again. I then adjust the parallax to get a clear image of the target and thats it, I now have the reticle and target in focus.

Feisar

What I was asking about was what to focus on mentally.

clivej

Feisar wrote: »

What I was asking about was what to focus on mentally.

Trigger pull and breathing.

MickB140

Cheers guys. I prob should have mentioned I am new to the sport having moved from clays after visiting Harbour House twice last Jan and Feb.
Joined when they reopened last Saturday and bought my first .22
Looking forward to getting the feel of it this saturday.
Cheers.

Wadi14

MickB140, welcome to the mad world of 22lr lol, can I ask
what scope you are using ?
what is it's minimum parallax setting ?
have you set the diopter ring at the eye piece end to give you the clearest reticle picture ?
have you adjusted the parallax to the distance your shooting at ?

Wadi14

Feisar wrote: »

What I was asking about was what to focus on mentally.

Another great question, and one I'm sure there are lots of opinions on, but I'm with clive on this one.
I will try and explain my thinking on it.
As you know there is a sequence of firing a shot, so we set the firearm up to point at the target , we get our position and hold correct , we breath, we aim , we squeeze the shot off and we follow through.
we cant think of all these things at once as out brains aren't built that way, but we can subconsciously memorize things, so as we go through each step of firing the shot our brain and muscles are memorizing what we have trained them to do.
So when we have the aim correct we have to move onto firing the shot while keeping the firearm on target and we accomplish this with shot release and follow through.

My personal opinion is there should not be separation in marksmanship principle's, between aiming and shot release, as both are interlinked, you have to have a correct aim as you fire the shot.

badaj0z

You need to focus on your soul Grasshopper.

Feisar

Wadi14 wrote: »

Another great question, and one I'm sure there are lots of opinions on, but I'm with clive on this one.
I will try and explain my thinking on it.
As you know there is a sequence of firing a shot, so we set the firearm up to point at the target , we get our position and hold correct , we breath, we aim , we squeeze the shot off and we follow through.
we cant think of all these things at once as out brains aren't built that way, but we can subconsciously memorize things, so as we go through each step of firing the shot our brain and muscles are memorizing what we have trained them to do.
So when we have the aim correct we have to move onto firing the shot while keeping the firearm on target and we accomplish this with shot release and follow through.

My personal opinion is there should not be separation in marksmanship principle's, between aiming and shot release, as both are interlinked, you have to have a correct aim as you fire the shot.

Thank you for taking the time to post that.

MickB140

@ Wad14 I am getting it Saturday (I hope).
As for parralex etc...
I am in primary school here.
Low babies.
I am not afraid to say I am a virgin in this instance.
I do not pretend to know anything and am willing to be a sponge and learn from those that do know what they are talking about.
I picked the gun yes. CZ 457 thumbhole.
Scope unknown.
Relying on Paddy in Gunshop.ie to choose.
Looking forward to getting a feel of it in action once scope is zeroed.
Not even sure if I have to do that myself or if I will have help.

MickB140

MickB140 wrote: »

@ Wad14 I am getting it Saturday (I hope).
As for parralex etc...
I am in primary school here.
Low babies.
I am not afraid to say I am a virgin in this instance.
I do not pretend to know anything and am willing to be a sponge and learn from those that do know what they are talking about.
I picked the gun yes. CZ 457 thumbhole.
Scope unknown.
Relying on Paddy in Gunshop.ie to choose.
Looking forward to getting a feel of it in action once scope is zeroed.
Not even sure if I have to do that myself or if I will have help.

I should mention I was using a club gun on saturday. That's where my initial question came from.

clivej

MickB140 wrote: »

I should mention I was using a club gun on saturday. That's where my initial question came from.

In that case I would think the club rifle scope was not setup correctly for you.

When your next at HH and I'm there give me a shout and I'll get you fixed up.

I was at HH on Saturday and Sunday on range 2, the 50m bench-rest range, on the right-hand side of the gate, you may have seen me there.

Wadi14

your sorted then clive will get you set up, and answer any questions you have, but check on the scope your buying, for small targets 6x24x50 or something in that range is adequate, and that it parallaxes to a minimum of 50m.
Safe and enjoyable shooting to you, let us know how you get on and remember you have a good accurate new rifle and new scope so if you miss, it must have been the wind that blew the bullet off lol, well that's what the rest of us use as excuses anyway.

MickB140

clivej wrote: »

In that case I would think the club rifle scope was not setup correctly for you.

When your next at HH and I'm there give me a shout and I'll get you fixed up.

I was at HH on Saturday and Sunday on range 2, the 50m bench-rest range, on the right-hand side of the gate, you may have seen me there.

Hi Clivej

I was there about 14:00 on bench 14. My mate Arthur to my right with a Ruger.
Then one beyond him at the end far right.
Maybe that was yourself.
I appreciate the offer.
Up early sat for darkness into the light.
Snooze after then up to the club to pick up from Paddy.

MickB140

Wadi14 wrote: »

your sorted then clive will get you set up, and answer any questions you have, but check on the scope your buying, for small targets 6x24x50 or something in that range is adequate, and that it parallaxes to a minimum of 50m.
Safe and enjoyable shooting to you, let us know how you get on and remember you have a good accurate new rifle and new scope so if you miss, it must have been the wind that blew the bullet off lol, well that's what the rest of us use as excuses anyway.

Cheers Wad14

Appreciate all advice. Will keep you posted.

clivej

MickB140 wrote: »

Hi Clivej

I was there about 14:00 on bench 14. My mate Arthur to my right with a Ruger.
Then one beyond him at the end far right.
Maybe that was yourself.
I appreciate the offer.
Up early sat for darkness into the light.
Snooze after then up to the club to pick up from Paddy.

:):)

I was to your left near the gate when shooting. Yes I was giving you a hand off and on and the acting Range Officer on duty. I'll be trying my best to hit paper again on Saturday.

MickB140

clivej wrote: »

:):)

I was to your left near the gate when shooting. Yes I was giving you a hand off and on and the acting Range Officer on duty. I'll be trying my best to hit paper again on Saturday.

Of course Clive. Have you now.
Cheers. lol

MickB140

MickB140 wrote: »

Of course Clive. Have you now.
Cheers. lol

Just have to give Clive a shout out here and say a big thanks for all the help and advice today in HH.
Much appreciated mate.....
Pure gent.

MickB140

MickB140 wrote: »

Just have to give Clive a shout out here and say a big thanks for all the help and advice today in HH.
Much appreciated mate.....
Pure gent.

I meant to mention also when I saw your 457 today I had come across this 3 part review on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/uUzVlIATtxQ
I case you had not seen it.

clivej

This is His follow up video, and Chris ended up buying the CZ 457 LRP for himself.
And helped me to decide to buy the CZ 457 LRP.

Part 1
https://youtu.be/dH4ztbC7py4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH4ztbC7py4

Part 2
https://youtu.be/W6ccLJBGt2U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ccLJBGt2U

MickB140

clivej wrote: »

This is His follow up video, and Chris ended up buying the CZ 457 LRP for himself.
And helped me to decide to buy the CZ 457 LRP.

Part 1
https://youtu.be/dH4ztbC7py4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH4ztbC7py4

Part 2
https://youtu.be/W6ccLJBGt2U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ccLJBGt2U

Yes Clive. I meant to say it was one of 3.
I enjoyed his review 100% more than any of the american ones I found.
Solid and honest review.

MickB140

MickB140 wrote: »

Yes Clive. I meant to say it was one of 3.
I enjoyed his review 100% more than any of the american ones I found.
Solid and honest review.

Wad14 you were correct. Clive did look out for me.
I had a great day out zeroing the scope and was reasonably impressed with my grouping afterwards..
Looking forward to a couple of hours out this saturday to see if there are any Improvements.

Wadi14

what scope did you end up with ?

MickB140

Wadi14 wrote: »

what scope did you end up with ?

I cannot remember the make.
American I think.
6-24-56 IIRC
Clive said a good competition scope.
Will see if I am up to the scope. lol

clivej

MickB140 wrote: »

I cannot remember the make.
American I think.
6-24-56 IIRC
Clive said a good competition scope.
Will see if I am up to the scope. lol

It's a UTG scope. Good scope for your 22lr rifle. Aim small and hit hard.