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Bill and Melinda Gates are divorcing

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    #122
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,458 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    astrofool wrote: »
    OK, so complete hyperbole from Paw Patrol.

    of course.


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    #123
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    astrofool wrote: »
    OK, so complete hyperbole from Paw Patrol.

    Yeah I was astounded the other day though, when I left YouTube autoplay for too long and I got this "news report" from a publication called "the hill". They talked about this experiment and alluded to how gates might be some kind of all powerful megalomaniac with dark intentions. All opinion, no actual news, no counter viewpoints. People are really getting brainwashed by this rubbish. It basically takes one of our worst vices, envy, plays on it and delivers a nice easy narrative, gates bad man.


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    #124
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Maybe his wife got fed up of him being both 'micro' and 'soft' all the time. ;)


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    #125
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    paw patrol wrote: »
    he did want to dim the sun....I've raised that twice in this thread i think.
    not one support has replied.

    I've had a look at the info on that, and it was just an experiment that was part funded by Gates.
    Another poster has linked to a good explanation of it. I can see nothing sinister or dangerous about it!
    What about it are you afraid of? Do you think it's easy to just block out the sun?

    paw patrol wrote: »
    one cos red meat is really good for you and the notion of blaming it for climate change is just lies. there is no other word for it.
    How do you make out it's lies?
    According to this RTE page --> https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0901/1162484-burping-flatulence-cattle-cows-methane-gas-emissons-greenhouse-gas/
    "...methane accounts for nearly 58% of Irish agricultural emissions and almost a fifth of the total national emissions ..."
    This is produced by cattle & sheep, due to belching (they have 4 stomachs!)
    How is that not significant? and how is it lies?
    paw patrol wrote: »
    the rich who preach tend to be hypocrite. Take climate change. Time and again it is shown the elite wealthy contribute much more to climate issues than the average joe...but who gets the lecture....the western people...
    certainly not china ...or Bill Gates :pac:
    In my experience you get hypocrites who are both rich and not rich!
    Either way it really doesn't matter what a few 'elite' do, as regards private jets, etc.,
    it's what the majority do that makes the difference to the big picture.
    Sure, put heavy taxes on private jets, etc., to make it less attractive, but that's not going to be enough.

    paw patrol wrote: »
    we can talk about funded studies in the USA caused universities to publish food guidelines in the 1980s demonizing dietary fat.
    We could laugh and say it's the USA but we ended up on that diet too.
    Further back smoking was good for you too.
    Who funds the studies is of utmost importance.
    Ok, I take your point there, about the payer having some influence on studies.
    I guess I was thinking more of research (like that sun thing) where I would expect less spin,

    The Gates foundation seem to be very transparent on their grants
    see -> https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants?country=Bangladesh&region=ASIA&topic=Agricultural%20Development

    From a quick look they seem to be good causes (too many to mention,
    but includes agriculture, malaria, TB, early learning, health, nutrition, education, etc., etc.)
    Have you read any analysis that spells out why any of these are bad?

    PintOfView wrote: »
    Yes, on checking, Gates did seem to meet Epstein after Epstein was convicted.
    If Gates knew about the conviction then it was very poor judgement.
    However Gates has denied knowing about what Epstein was doing, so it's not conclusive.
    paw patrol wrote: »
    At some stage you gotta wonder if that is reasonable
    Given the army of PR and admin Gates has ....I can't buy that.
    Did he not speak to his wife ?
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/melinda-gates-was-meeting-with-divorce-lawyers-since-2019-to-end-marriage-with-bill-gates-11620579924
    His wife having concerns about Epstein doesn't translate into Gates being guilty of anything like Epstein was involved in!
    I haven't seen anything more concrete than innuendo that connects Gates to Epstein's seedier side.
    Have you got more information on that?
    PintOfView wrote: »
    When researching Epstein it turns out he was also well acquainted with a recent ex president of the US!
    Would you draw any conclusions from that association?
    paw patrol wrote: »
    yes I would , Clinton went to the island and ditched his secret service
    which is how he got caught cos he couldn't hide those records.
    he is dirt but tbh he was scum with his sexual behaviour long before that.

    Trump did ban him from the resort in Florida and there is no evidence of association post conviction. I'm a big fan of trump but if he socialised with Epstein post jail he is also dirt.

    Here is some context:
    - According to the Washington Post Trump made over 30,000 false or misleading claims in his four years as president.
    See Wikipedia, who agree -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
    - Last August Trump said
    "And then the question you have to ask is: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? Because Epstein had an island that was not a good place, as I understand it. And I was never there. So you have to ask: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? That’s the question. If you find that out, you’re going to know a lot"
    - Clinton denies ever having been on the island.
    - In light of Trumps hate for Hilary Clinton I would deem anything he says about the Clintons,
    or indeed about anything, as 'needs checking'
    - According to --> https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/the-epstein-connections-fueling-conspiracy-theories/
    Clinton went on 6 trips on Epstein's plane, between 2002 and 2003, totalling 26 individual flights in total
    None of the flight logs showed a trip to Epstein's island. Why do you say "Clinton went to the island"
    - July 2020 Fox News apologised for cropping Donald Trump out of a photo of Epstein at Mar a Lago in 2000
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jul/07/fox-news-trump-epstein-maxwell-photo-cropped-out
    - in 2008 Trump banned Epstein from Mar a Lago
    "more than two years after a state grand jury charged Epstein with soliciting prostitution" and
    a few months before Epstein was convicted.
    see -> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/trump-banned-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-for-hitting-on-girl.html

    At the end of the day neither of us know who is lying, or not.
    If you find Donald Trump credible that's your judgement.
    I don't share that view at all!


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    #126
    [Deleted User]
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    trying to "debate" with the tinfoil hat brigade is just not worth the energy.

    giphy.webp


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    #127
    bnt
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Epstein was a billionaire and had access to a lot of rich friends. Gates was (and still is) actively pushing rich people to donate to the Gates Foundation specifically, or to be more philanthropic in general. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I have no trouble with the idea of Gates holding his nose and talking to Epstein about money. This idea of "guilt by association" can be taken too far.

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



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    #128
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    bnt wrote: »
    Epstein was a billionaire and had access to a lot of rich friends. Gates was (and still is) actively pushing rich people to donate to the Gates Foundation specifically, or to be more philanthropic in general. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I have no trouble with the idea of Gates holding his nose and talking to Epstein about money. This idea of "guilt by association" can be taken too far.

    Epstein was a billionaire that had already been convicted of procuring prostitution from a girl below age 18 before he met Gates in 2011.

    So he shouldn't of been going near Epstein for any of his money as he was already tainted at this stage.

    You reap what you sow and Gates relationship with Epstein is now coming back to haunt him and rightly so IMO.


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