Teenagers with no value for life and no care for repercussions - **Read OP**

starkid

wes wrote: »

Ireland has been run by Center Right lead coalitions for decades now......

lol...it really hasn't

Per capita, Ireland, in basic social spending, is in the top 12 countries in the World. You know...a liberal kind of mind set.

Centre right only in your mind.

FF despite appearances is considered left of centre now ( and if you consider the amount they pumped into welfare spending how could they not be) and FG is a centrist party by their own admission. Obviously with such an extreme left here its easy to paint them as right wing. And of course Ireland was a hugely conservative country. But it was never a ruthless neoliberal one. It can be argued only in the last few years has this accelerated.

If FF are right wing, then the US dems and republicans, the Tories and old UK labour are...? Facists perhaps.

I'm pro social spending, but this is the outcome of huge welfare spend from the 90s and 2000s. An untouchable, entitled, lumpenproletariat, but ironically without it, things would be far far worse.

Howitzer the 5th

This situation is an endemic, entrenched and ongoing nightmare in Ireland for decades. Its altogether more accessible to witness unfortunately today with mass phone use and amid the onset of social media sites and the junk that goes with Tiktok videos for the day's mindless under 30's. Values and morals have long since ceased and there is no proper parental or educator influence on vast swathes of today's disaffected, degenerate porn-addled mindless youth. Policing is wholly inadequate in Ireland and coastal spot dust-ups in Malahide, Howth etc. are obviously very frequent and gratuitous. Ordinary, reasonable people should not put up with this **** any longer and a collaborative effort is required to influence decision makers to augment and upgrade legislation to act for and to protect the general public from this vermin pond life that run free and wild on the streets, beaches as well as public transport and across the lives of the functional, worthy and decent hard working population. The disgust from civilised people in other countries, near and far, in reacting on social media to the carry on of the mindless, moronic, dirty Irish kiddie killers, such as in Howth last month is simply mortifying. Arise and reclaim.

toffeeshel

Terrontress wrote: »

Even Shelbourne haven’t disclosed which steps they have taken against their youth player, only that they’re aware of it.

He is not a Shelbourne player and seemingly hasn’t been for a while. Petitioning Shelbourne and the FAI is a complete waste of time.
He has been identified on social media. Let the guards do their job now.
Petition for higher profile ‘on the beat’ policing.
This problem grew because the guards were too busy keeping people within their 5k and failed to nip the growth of gangs of teenagers on bikes in the bud

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah it was on Twitter, some teenagers and handbags, people going on like it's the end of society as we know it.
It's funny how we never had rowdy teens until smartphones were invented.

What’s your feeling on male teenage harassment of women on train tracks or in general?

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

Left very casually too. No sense of "oh f**k, we better get out of here", its like they don't even care that they could have killed her.

There was one guy who was genuinely upset. The instigator of most of it cycled off.

Effects

Effects wrote: »

Howth Dart station was named, are you saying it was some other station?

Yeh. Howth junction.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The worst part about the dart video is that they just casually walked away. No panic, no remorse, no flight, they just walked naturally. Thats the level of psychopath we are dealing with.

Ah sure they'll be paying our pensions in a few years.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was one guy who was genuinely upset. The instigator of most of it cycled off.

Which one?

The guy in the red jacket who thought he was responsible for the girl going off the platform looks like he shat himself when he realised what had happened alright, but then it’s like he just casually walks off when he realises at least she’s not dead.

The guy with the bike who tripped her by sticking his bike out, he’d already tried it and missed with the girl before her, and then there’s the guy who tries to roundhouse kick the girl in the face. The bizarre thing is they were all acting independently of each other. Each of them had their own vile way of acting when they thought they could get away with it.

As for the “worldwide attention” it’s getting on social media? It’ll be forgotten about by this time next week, some people delight in blowing things out of proportion.

Floppybits

toffeeshel wrote: »

He is not a Shelbourne player and seemingly hasn’t been for a while. Petitioning Shelbourne and the FAI is a complete waste of time.
He has been identified on social media. Let the guards do their job now.
Petition for higher profile ‘on the beat’ policing.
This problem grew because the guards were too busy keeping people within their 5k and failed to nip the growth of gangs of teenagers on bikes in the bud

It has been happening long before the lockdown, yes the lockdown and the fact that teenagers weren't in school highlighted this more but this has been going on for a long time and the teenage gangs have been more and more arrogant with their no one can touch us attitude. No body be they man, woman, child and even animals are save from these vermin until the powers that be act to make them accountable.

toffeeshel

Floppybits wrote: »

It has been happening long before the lockdown, yes the lockdown and the fact that teenagers weren't in school highlighted this more but this has been going on for a long time and the teenage gangs have been more and more arrogant with their no one can touch us attitude. No body be they man, woman, child and even animals are save from these vermin until the powers that be act to make them accountable.

Completely agree that it’s been going on longer, but it has definitely worsened. I was out and about for work throughout the lockdown and have seen the numbers in gangs escalate.

comedown

Ignoring or brushing off these incidents is tantamount to complicity. That goes for politicians, the gardai, not to mention the state broadcaster who haven't covered this at all on their website. Shameful stuff. It's been this way for years - that doesn't make it right. No one should have to put up with random attacks, harassment of any kind on the street.
It's now progressed to the point people are dying.
Thiago Cortes's death should have been a wakeup call but there have been numerous incidents since. Expecting this to go away on its own without major reform and condemnation of this behaviour is just not good enough.

Effects

Telly wrote: »

It happened at Howth junction which is 3 stops away from Howth Dart station.

My mistake, I thought it had happened at the end station in Howth, while the train was waiting to depart.

Floppybits

toffeeshel wrote: »

Completely agree that it’s been going on longer, but it has definitely worsened. I was out and about for work throughout the lockdown and have seen the numbers in gangs escalate.

Lockdown just exacerbated problem more than anything else. It also showed though the lack of thought and care of parents of teenagers that during lockdowns they allowed the their teenagers out to gather in these gangs. I guess it was easier to have them out of the house than having to put up with them in the house. I know it's not all teenagers and not all parents but from I seen in lockdown where I live it is the vast amount of teenagers and parents.

It's the authorities from the Government to the Gardai that need to start taking action such and looking at the legislation that protecting these toe rags and the Gardai actually getting out of the stations and being a visible presence, a deterrent on the streets.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Much as people would like instant justice, Gardai need to gather details and interview people. As many of them can be identified from CCTV that next bit is coming.

It's been over a week and there's not been a single arrest.

Perhaps the gardaí should buy a faster car.

Floppybits

b0nk1e wrote: »

It's been a week and there's not been a single arrest.

Perhaps the gardaí should buy a faster car.

Its been nearly a month and a half since the incident took place. It happened on the first of April. Maybe something will happen now but it also depends on whether the victims in this made a complaint to the Gardai.

is_that_so

comedown wrote: »

Ignoring or brushing off these incidents is tantamount to complicity. That goes for politicians, the gardai, not to mention the state broadcaster who haven't covered this at all on their website. Shameful stuff. It's been this way for years - that doesn't make it right. No one should have to put up with random attacks, harassment of any kind on the street.
It's now progressed to the point people are dying.
Thiago Cortes's death should have been a wakeup call but there have been numerous incidents since. Expecting this to go away on its own without major reform and condemnation of this behaviour is just not good enough.

If you are so indignant get a campaign going and get onto those who might be in a position to do something about it rather than waving your fist at random posters and blaming them.

Calling it out on a web forum is not evidence of doing something, it just puts you in the mud with the rest of the outraged.

Just to add a stat here 50% of juvenile crime is caused by 3% of offenders.

tastyt

This **** happens because there are no repurcussion or fear. Weak courts and police nowhere to be seen .

There are nowhere near enough prisons or detention centres for underage offenders and scum with 100 offences get turned around in a day and are out walking the streets . Before anyone comes in with “ yea build more prisons like the US , that obviously works haha”, we don’t give a **** . People in this country are fed up and scum are genuinely ruining our capital in particular and that’s not hyperbole .

The first politician or party who cops onto the national mood and runs on a hardline policy of law and order , more Garda on the streets , building more prisons and reforming the judicial system to include longer sentencing will absolutely walk into power here .

They’ll have my vote anyway , and most of my family and friends

Floppybits

Floppybits wrote: »

it also depends on whether the victims in this made a complaint to the Gardai.

No it doesn't.

is_that_so

tastyt wrote: »

This **** happens because there are no repurcussion or fear. Weak courts and police nowhere to be seen .

There are nowhere near enough prisons or detention centres for underage offenders and scum with 100 offences get turned around in a day and are out walking the streets . Before anyone comes in with “ yea build more prisons like the US , that obviously works haha”, we don’t give a **** . People in this country are fed up and scum are genuinely ruining our capital in particular and that’s not hyperbole .

The first politician or party who cops onto the national mood and runs on a hardline policy of law and order , more Garda on the streets , building more prisons and reforming the judicial system to include longer sentencing will absolutely walk into power here .

They’ll have my vote anyway , and most of my family and friends

Only the worst of juveniles get locked up. This is the large sprawling estate syndrome at work, with bored teenagers. It is also a law and order question and a parenting problem, probably an intervention and education problem too.

Just locking them up is not the simple answer.

slipperyox

If you want to know the reasons for someones behaviour.
Look at the consequences, and infer back to the behaviour.

Kermit.de.frog

comedown wrote: »

Ignoring or brushing off these incidents is tantamount to complicity. That goes for politicians, the gardai, not to mention the state broadcaster who haven't covered this at all on their website. Shameful stuff. It's been this way for years - that doesn't make it right. No one should have to put up with random attacks, harassment of any kind on the street.
It's now progressed to the point people are dying.
Thiago Cortes's death should have been a wakeup call but there have been numerous incidents since. Expecting this to go away on its own without major reform and condemnation of this behaviour is just not good enough.

The murder of the woman in the IFSC recently did not get half the attention it should have gotten either. A lot of people don't even seem to know about that incident.

If I were the minister for justice looking at the situation I'd be wanting serious reforms.

5,000 more gardai
Mandatory minimum on the beat weekly work by all gardai and outsource civilian duties
Mandatory sentencing to force judges to act
Thousands of new prison spaces
Efforts to hold parents accountable in their pocket

Etc

And I'd be looking to announce it all in one go with a message to the public that this behaviour won't be tolerated anymore and if you involve yourself in it you will be punished.

I don't know what the politicians are afraid of because they'd be very popular.

tastyt

is_that_so wrote: »

Only the worst of juveniles get locked up. This is the large sprawling estate syndrome at work, with bored teenagers. It is also a law and order question and a parenting problem, probably an intervention and education problem too.

Just locking them up is not the simple answer.

It’s spreading because others see that even some of the worst little scum don’t get locked up so there is no deterrent and they all think they can do what they want . A proper society shows young people that some behaviour is unacceptable and you will be punished for it .

100% lock them up , and then give them help while they are off the streets and can’t harm anyone . Then hopefully they will see the error of their ways

You can’t do it the other way around because they laugh in your face

slipperyox

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The murder of the woman in the IFSC recently did not get half the attention it should have gotten either. A lot of people don't even seem to know about that incident.

If I were the minister for justice looking at the situation I'd be wanting serious reforms.

5,000 more gardai
Mandatory minimum on the beat weekly work by all gardai and outsource civilian duties
Mandatory sentencing to force judges to act
Thousands of new prison spaces
Efforts to hold parents accountable in their pocket

Etc

And I'd be looking to announce it all in one go with a message to the public that this behaviour won't be tolerated anymore and if you involve yourself in it you will be punished.

I don't know what the politicians are afraid of because they'd be very popular.

100% agree.
But the real issue, is the out of touch social sciences and university humanities dept that advise the government/ courts, with their softy victim mentality muck.
Its hard to leash a dog when you've already put a crown on its head

I've written to Shelbourne's shirt sponsor asking if they're proud to be associated with this young gentleman.

I would imagine the more correspondence they receive, the sooner this guy will see some consequences from Shelbourne.

BattleCorp

FileNotFound wrote: »

A truly hard and horrible beating would soon teach some manners...

I am at the point where I feel pain is the only true teacher that will work for some of these, pain and if they don't learn even more pain.

Break their legs. And on the day they get out of hospital, break them again.

Failing that, a stern talking to will do the trick, but don't be too harsh, try the breaking the legs thing first to give them a chance.

Ms. Newbie18

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The murder of the woman in the IFSC recently did not get half the attention it should have gotten either. A lot of people don't even seem to know about that incident.

It was actually shameful how little coverage her death got on the news.

There was a rumor going around that the teen who killed her had been picked up by guards that day for some crime and then let back out a few hours later, to go and kill that woman. I am not sure if the is 100% true but I would not be surprised.

Councils in the UK are now starting to fine parents for kids breaking lockdown restriction and disorderly conduct. That needs to be brought in here. I think its £200 per fine.

Ms. Newbie18

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

It was actually shameful how little coverage her death got on the news.

The media has a lot to answer for with their selective reporting.

Not PC to report on crimes committed by “the deprived”

neris

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The murder of the woman in the IFSC recently did not get half the attention it should have gotten either. A lot of people don't even seem to know about that incident.

If I were the minister for justice looking at the situation I'd be wanting serious reforms.

5,000 more gardai
Mandatory minimum on the beat weekly work by all gardai and outsource civilian duties
Mandatory sentencing to force judges to act
Thousands of new prison spaces
Efforts to hold parents accountable in their pocket

Etc

And I'd be looking to announce it all in one go with a message to the public that this behaviour won't be tolerated anymore and if you involve yourself in it you will be punished.

I don't know what the politicians are afraid of because they'd be very popular.

Part of the problem is the backbenchers with their feet on the ground know whats going on and know the mood of the average joe soap but if they come out with this stuff and threaten hard sentencing etc the opposition get up in arms and go all woke, the media get behind them (the opposition) and then you have all these groups and civil liberties luvies who say you cant do that and group think over rules what joe soap and most of his friends families and neighbours think and would go with. Its easy for the gardai to be stopping people at checkpoints and the airport to stop them travelling then it is for them to be out in numbers on a saturday or sunday rounding up scum and filling in paperwork later.

Ms. Newbie18

Its a disgrace.

Seems to be huge trend of teens meeting up around the grand canal dock/IFSC for organised fights with every little being done about it.

Ms. Newbie18

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

I think its £200 per fine.

or 250 euro . But the imposition of a €200 fine is a start. :rolleyes: that'll be the day though