Teenagers with no value for life and no care for repercussions - **Read OP**

Bobblehats

Batrachotox wrote: »

There was no depth to her analysis which is why I took issue with her facile explanation. She may as well have said it was because of “that damned rock and roll music”,

Well shjt it most certainly wasn’t that :pac: The problem is skanger. It always has been skanger; since it’s very inception. And it always will be…. skanger.

A lot of folk claim not to know what makes a skanger; how they came to be but they should at least recognise one by now. And those of us who sat idly and watched it take hold, good luck stamping it out…

beggars_bush

phones
videoing stuff
sharing it
carrying knives
attacking people

no consequences for them or their parents

Tazium

Many years ago I was part of an organised youth club that offered young people a social outlet on a Friday evening as a means to steer them away from alcohol. The club was catholic affiliated and insurances were arranged via Scouting Ireland both of which were later brought into their own scandals. I have some brilliant memories of being part of that club and the organised activities of hiking, camping, movies in addition to the regular weekly kick-about, tag, rounders, story telling, and games. As an outlet, it was great and well received within the community. The young people enjoyed the social aspects and the regular disco nights and they got to pass teenage angst while surrounded by others of similar ages. Encouragement was a big part of the leadership and the experience has, I'm absolutely certain, helped some whom otherwise would have ended up on an alternative path.

Unsure this would even work today as it was all in a pre-mobile, pre-social-media time. I believe one solution lies in a broader range of influences and experiences. It appears that this is very limited in the gatherings of young people who today, compete within their own groups alongside the sometimes unbalanced views of social media.

Feisar

BattleCorp wrote: »

There are many causes, not just one and I think it starts long before the kids become teens. They learn bad behaviours and that there are very little consequences to those bad behaviours.

Many modern parents don't parent. They try be their kid's friend rather than their parent. Kids don't need their parents to be their friends, they need parents to teach them about rules, respect etc. That isn't happening in many cases any more.

Add in that kids are no longer afraid of anything as they know they won't get a smack if they act the b0llix.

Quite recently I've seen a child hit her parent and when the granny chastised the child, the parent stuck up for the child and reared up on the granny. That sh1t ain't right.

On the bolded part there. I hear so many men referring to there's sons as "buddy" or some such. He's not yer buddy, he's your son!

Elmo

So crazy carry on..... and.... there is a but here .....

They are kids and none of the girls were even paying attention to the boys ... and the guys were not on the hunt ....

They were being stupid ****ing eejits... not an excuse

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eviltwin

Tazium wrote: »

Many years ago I was part of an organised youth club that offered young people a social outlet on a Friday evening as a means to steer them away from alcohol. The club was catholic affiliated and insurances were arranged via Scouting Ireland both of which were later brought into their own scandals. I have some brilliant memories of being part of that club and the organised activities of hiking, camping, movies in addition to the regular weekly kick-about, tag, rounders, story telling, and games. As an outlet, it was great and well received within the community. The young people enjoyed the social aspects and the regular disco nights and they got to pass teenage angst while surrounded by others of similar ages. Encouragement was a big part of the leadership and the experience has, I'm absolutely certain, helped some whom otherwise would have ended up on an alternative path.

Unsure this would even work today as it was all in a pre-mobile, pre-social-media time. I believe one solution lies in a broader range of influences and experiences. It appears that this is very limited in the gatherings of young people who today, compete within their own groups alongside the sometimes unbalanced views of social media.

There was a facility like that in an area of north Dublin with issues with anti social behaviour. They worked with younger kids not quite in trouble but close to it. Then in the recession it was closed. People in the area and those in youth work will say we are now seeing the impact of that with those children who missed out now in their late teens and early twenties and part of gang culture. How a parent is supposed to fight against that culture in areas where it’s endemic is beyond me.

kapisko1PL

Is there a way that me as a foreigner could write an open letter to the Taoiseach or in any way communicate my concern?

Cilldara_2000

kapisko1PL wrote: »

Is there a way that me as a foreigner could write an open letter to the Taoiseach or in any way communicate my concern?

https://bfy.tw/QulC

mohawk

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Disagree with you here - firstly, this "parent trying to be the friend" is an assumed cop-out and the idea that kids ONLY learn through fear and beatings has been proven to be flase over the last few decades.

There are more then two options here. You don’t have to hurt a child to punish bad behaviour. It could be telling them that they can’t go to their friends house on Saturday because of what they did. You can look at the trigger for the bad behaviour and manage that. The boys in my sons class frequently find they get a time out from their PlayStations. If something happens at school you can try not blaming the teacher or other kids but acknowledge that sometimes even normal well behaved kids sometimes do things they shouldn’t. Boundaries need to be set from when they are toddlers. No point in trying to start parenting when they become teenagers. When you say no you should mean no and temper tantrum’s should never be rewarded even if that means public humiliation for you.
Some families need extra help for a wide variety of reasons and the state should provide resources to those families.
We will never live in a perfect world with no problems. We should strive to stop as many kids/teenagers from going down the wrong path.

kapisko1PL

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

https://bfy.tw/QulC

Sorry I don't know how to use a Mac! :pac:

KungPao

We have been giving our kids a little slap/wallop depending on situation since the dawn of Humans (one would assume), and even before that. Homo Erectus no doubt gave his a nipper a dig if he was acting the maggot.

Suddenly over the last 20yrs this has become a huge no no. And the little terrors are becoming big terrors.

Also, the kids of Early Man, and up until quite recently, looked up to his bread-winning father, and knew one day he’d have to provide for his family too. Now little Jayden looks at his useless man-child on-the-dole-Da playing PlayStation all day, before nipping out for a few cans, and a bag of weed from Steo who lives down by the shops.

The lazy lumps of parents are to blame for the these out of control sh1theads, and the overly generous social welfare certainly is part of the problem. And growing with your Da as your bud who never corrects you is bound to **** up your development.

Bobblehats

Talking at least 3 generations of skangers; already imagine ur granny was a skanger? Good luck with that…

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mohawk wrote: »

There are more then two options here. You don’t have to hurt a child to punish bad behaviour. It could be telling them that they can’t go to their friends house on Saturday because of what they did. You can look at the trigger for the bad behaviour and manage that. The boys in my sons class frequently find they get a time out from their PlayStations. If something happens at school you can try not blaming the teacher or other kids but acknowledge that sometimes even normal well behaved kids sometimes do things they shouldn’t. Boundaries need to be set from when they are toddlers. No point in trying to start parenting when they become teenagers. When you say no you should mean no and temper tantrum’s should never be rewarded even if that means public humiliation for you.
Some families need extra help for a wide variety of reasons and the state should provide resources to those families.
We will never live in a perfect world with no problems. We should strive to stop as many kids/teenagers from going down the wrong path.

The problem with a lot of "punishments" is that they are deisgned to hurt (either mentally or physically) but not actually correct the behaviour. Jail is the same. If you don't know or care what you did wrong, you'll do it again - you'll just be smarter enough to not get caught.

Friend of mine, when their (now almost teenager) threw a tantrum, she took out a phone and recorded it. Even in public. Sent a clear message not only to the kid, but to other parents who might watch and think "bad parenting".

Ms. Newbie18

While there are parents who will look for help with their kids bad behaviors they are few and far between. People are obsessed with their online images, promoting the their "prefect" family on SM means they will play off their kids actions as just phase because it interferes with their image. Its ridiculous.

Parents allow young children and teens spend way too much time online without it being monitored (because they can't be arsed spending time parenting). I know HUGE number of people who have no child-locks (or time limits) on their kids ipads which means they are gaining access to information that can really damaging a young age.

When I was teen a new my Dad would go mad if I was not home on time or was taking part in what he considered disrespectful behavior. While I would not have got a smack - I would have been dragged home and made a holy show of. It was the fear of utter embarrassment + additional chores etc that kept me from even considering acting the maggot never mind like a mini terrorist.

notAMember

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It was shocking but she wasn’t tripped. The guy did step towards her aggressively and she lost her footing but he clearly didn’t trip her. I just wanted to point that out in the interests of accuracy. You can see him running back over to her afterwards but that might just have been nosiness.

Did you see the whole longer video? The group of teenage boys repeatedly intimidated teenage girls. One of them you can clearly see, deliberately kicked a girl in the head as he got off his bike, with a smirk, others shouldered the girls, pushing them around, stepped into their way. Just constant harassment of young women going about their daily lives. The first guy got in her way, the guy behind him with the white bike, shoved it under her feet.



You will also see, ONLY girls were targeted. What stuck out to me, was that the girls barely flinched, they just brushed it off and went on their way. That means, sadly, it is completely normal to be kicked in the head as you go to catch a train if you're a teenage girl here, in 2021.


The boys (and it was multiple boys, not just one) clearly intended to harass, hurt and intimidate girls. Over and over again they did it in this video. I don't think they intended to throw her under a train, but that was the result. All of them considered young women to be valid targets for this behaviour.

Elmo

notAMember wrote: »

You will also see, ONLY girls were targeted. What stuck out to me, was that the girls barely flinched, they just brushed it off and went on their way. That means, sadly, it is completely normal to be kicked in the head as you go to catch a train if you're a teenage girl here, in 2021

Because it was a group of girls running for their train who happened to be passing by a group of boys who were being thrown out of the same train.

The girls act exactly as most girl of that age react to a group of boys who are looking for attention... they don't even notice them.

They all walk past because they have no interest in the group of boys.

That is not defense of the boys actions.

notAMember

Elmo wrote: »

The girls act exactly as most girl of that age react to a group of boys who are looking for attention...

They all walk past because they have no interest in the group of boys.

That is not defense of the boys actions.

yes, that's my point too. Girls do behave like that, always. It's typical, because they have to react like that...

It's a funny state of affairs when being kicked in the head and thrown under a train is rationalised as "boys who are looking for attention".

That IS a defense of the boys actions btw.

Elmo

notAMember wrote: »

It's a funny state of affairs when being kicked in the head and thrown under a train is rationalised as "boys who are looking for attention".

That IS a defense of the boys actions btw.

No it is not.

I am pointing out that it has nothing to do with the girls being girls, the boys would have done it to any of their peers (I know as a boy who would have gone out of the away to avoid those same boys as a young teenager).

The video shows a group of boys being thrown out of the train (dickheads)

3 girls walk up to get the train but the doors don't open so they walk to the next door which also does not open and then they walk pass the boys into the carriage they are coming out of .

One of the boys even directs them to the door bizarrely.

Then another girl runs up and does the same, again one of the guys on the bike seems to even point to her tell her to get into the carriage above.

Yes she runs on and one of the guys kick her in the face/on the shoulder. she runs on as if its nothing (I did think he'd hit her in the stomach)

Another girl runs up and to me it looks like the guy in red spits at her, he at least lunges at her, she doesn't even notice she is so focus on getting to the train.

He does the same again to the next girl who runs up, and the two lads after him seem to either do something on purpose, or at this point she has slip because of the actions of the boy in Red, I am not sure, either way she falls and slips under the carriage.

In the background all of the girls seem to be trying to help one of the boys to get out of the train as the door has close on him, this is just before the girl falls under the train.

That's not getting away from the bad manners of the boys or their "trick" acting. But I think you blow it out of proportion to suggest that "That means, sadly, it is completely normal to be kicked in the head as you go to catch a train if you're a teenage girl here, in 2021".

The same boys would have done the same to a similar group of boys and even some adults. Again they are dickheads.

notAMember

"Trick acting"

"looking for attention"

"being dickheads"

It's the same story always, we've heard it 1000 times. Boys will be boys, minimising what's happening ... always justified as messing or fooling around. Excuse after excuse.


Just call it what it is eh?

whisky_galore

KungPao wrote: »

We have been giving our kids a little slap/wallop depending on situation since the dawn of Humans (one would assume), and even before that. Homo Erectus no doubt gave his a nipper a dig if he was acting the maggot.

Suddenly over the last 20yrs this has become a huge no no. And the little terrors are becoming big terrors.

Also, the kids of Early Man, and up until quite recently, looked up to his bread-winning father, and knew one day he’d have to provide for his family too. Now little Jayden looks at his useless man-child on-the-dole-Da playing PlayStation all day, before nipping out for a few cans, and a bag of weed from Steo who lives down by the shops.

The lazy lumps of parents are to blame for the these out of control sh1theads, and the overly generous social welfare certainly is part of the problem. And growing with your Da as your bud who never corrects you is bound to **** up your development.

Question. Would you think it's ok to hit your dog to discipline it?

Elmo

notAMember wrote: »

"Trick acting"
"looking for attention"
"being dickheads"
It's the same story always, we've heard it 1000 times. Boys will be boys, minimising what's happening ... always justified as messing or fooling around. Excuse after excuse.
Just call it what it is eh?

Yeah I am, They will do it to everyone one, not just girls.

I am not at all minimizing their actions at all, you seem to think that I think that "Trick acting", "looking for attention" and "being a dickhead" minimizes their actions, they don't. They are just words that I am using describing their actions. None of those things are excuses for the boys. The boys have no excuse for their bad behaviour, or perhaps "bad behaviour" is just an excuse. They don't have an excuse.

You have just missed my argument.

KungPao

whisky_galore wrote: »

Question. Would you think it's ok to hit your dog to discipline it?

A quick tap and a voice command of sorts, sure.

Is this the end

notAMember wrote: »

"Trick acting"

"looking for attention"

"being dickheads"

It's the same story always, we've heard it 1000 times. Boys will be boys, minimising what's happening ... always justified as messing or fooling around. Excuse after excuse.


Just call it what it is eh?

Its nothing but a bunch of little scumbag scrotes who need to intimidate/abuse/asault people they know wont stand up to them.

Every single one them little scumbags should be sentenced to jail time. When we start punishing these kids, we will see a decrease in this stuff happening.

We need a transport police in Ireland, but our Govt are too busy lining the pockets of themselves and there mates, they couldnt care less what goes on to the normal people.

Ms. Newbie18

Question: why don't we have security on the trains the same way we do on the Luas lines?

clytemnestra

Elmo wrote: »

No it is not.

I am pointing out that it has nothing to do with the girls being girls, the boys would have done it to any of their peers (I know as a boy who would have gone out of the away to avoid those same boys as a young teenager).

The video shows a group of boys being thrown out of the train (dickheads)

3 girls walk up to get the train but the doors don't open so they walk to the next door which also does not open and then they walk pass the boys into the carriage they are coming out of .

One of the boys even directs them to the door bizarrely.

Then another girl runs up and does the same, again one of the guys on the bike seems to even point to her tell her to get into the carriage above.

Yes she runs on and one of the guys kick her in the face/on the shoulder. she runs on as if its nothing (I did think he'd hit her in the stomach)

Another girl runs up and to me it looks like the guy in red spits at her, he at least lunges at her, she doesn't even notice she is so focus on getting to the train.

He does the same again to the next girl who runs up, and the two lads after him seem to either do something on purpose, or at this point she has slip because of the actions of the boy in Red, I am not sure, either way she falls and slips under the carriage.

In the background all of the girls seem to be trying to help one of the boys to get out of the train as the door has close on him, this is just before the girl falls under the train.

That's not getting away from the bad manners of the boys or their "trick" acting. But I think you blow it out of proportion to suggest that "That means, sadly, it is completely normal to be kicked in the head as you go to catch a train if you're a teenage girl here, in 2021".

The same boys would have done the same to a similar group of boys and even some adults. Again they are dickheads.

I don't agree. I think the casual violence towards girls is a new and ugly thing. When I was a teenage girl I didn't fear gangs of teenage lads. My male friends did, but there was still a residual sense of "the rules" and even scrotes were taught not to hit girls. They might yell at you but hitting, tripping, shoving - no.

expectationlost

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Question: why don't we have security on the trains the same way we do on the Luas lines?

that security was right there!

Ms. Newbie18

expectationlost wrote: »

that security was right there!

What I meant was they do not seem to have the same presence as the security on the Luas line do. On the green and red (more so) Luas line the security are a visible presence.

I can't recall seeing security hop on and off the trains ever. I would not be a daily user of either from of transport but would use them enough pre-covid to notice that big difference.

Those security guards were most likely called to that station after the driver made them aware of those degenerates causing trouble.

Elmo

clytemnestra wrote: »

I don't agree. I think the casual violence towards girls is a new and ugly thing. When I was a teenage girl I didn't fear gangs of teenage lads. My male friends did, but there was still a residual sense of "the rules" and even scrotes were taught not to hit girls. They might yell at you but hitting, tripping, shoving - no.

Perhaps, I would have assumed it was the same as ever. I think there are problems and I think there were problems.


The re-development of Howth Junction has been a disaster for Anti Social Behaviour since it was made over in the late 1990s. I think the old creaking bridge did a lot to stop ASB happening. It looked like a war zone then, now it looks like the berlin wall.

mohawk

clytemnestra wrote: »

I don't agree. I think the casual violence towards girls is a new and ugly thing. When I was a teenage girl I didn't fear gangs of teenage lads. My male friends did, but there was still a residual sense of "the rules" and even scrotes were taught not to hit girls. They might yell at you but hitting, tripping, shoving - no.

When I think about it I had same experience as a teenage girl.
It was when I got slightly older and dared to say no to a guys advances was when I found myself facing male physical aggression.

clytemnestra

clytemnestra wrote: »

I don't agree. I think the casual violence towards girls is a new and ugly thing. When I was a teenage girl I didn't fear gangs of teenage lads. My male friends did, but there was still a residual sense of "the rules" and even scrotes were taught not to hit girls. They might yell at you but hitting, tripping, shoving - no.

Isn’t that the posters point though?

That they’re such dickheads they’ll go after anyone including teenage girls?

You yourself state that your male friends would have to fear these groups, because the groups would likely go after them. That is still the case.
It just so happens these arseholes will now go after young women too.

So it’s really that they’re just pricks who’ll have a go at anyone, as opposed to actively “hunting” teenage girls as is being suggested.