Teenagers with no value for life and no care for repercussions - **Read OP**

Fandymo

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

There are no gardai any-more on the street as in regard to community gardai. The whole system is damaged beyond belief and I wouldn't be surprised if this government closed a few more garda stations down within more rural counties soon. It's like living in an episode of the twilight zone in this country when it comes to justice and garda presence. Get off the fecking computers doing data analysis and get out and do what you made an oath to do, to protect and serve, you (Gardai) your boss-head needs to apply and implement data managers and then you can get out on the beat and beat some **** down. It's like post-men/women that just say feck it, i'll just sit in the office and not post anything, sure what's the point.


The governmental system for justice and citizen protection needs to get its **** together fast, because if it doesn't start building a few new state of the art prisons then in ten years you will see some really bad stuff.

100%. My local Garda station was shut down a few years ago, as the population was booming towards 10,000+ people. After years of uproar and campaigning it was given the green light to re-open once it was renovated to much fanfare from our local "representatives".

We've now a very fancy looking Garda Station that will have 1 Community Garda, available one night per week for forms to be signed, while TUSLA will use it. So we've lost a station and gained a TUSLA office.

"In preparation for the implementation of the new Operating Policing Model, your local Garda station now accommodates a newly formed Divisional TUSLA liaison Unit. The unit is the central point of contact between AGS and TUSLA within the DMR North Division. The station also provides a victim room for use by Investigating Gardaí and vulnerable victims. The unit comprises a Sergeant and eight plainclothes Gardaí and is supervised by an Inspector and Detective Superintendent. The TUSLA liaison team are a specialised unit and will not be dealing with general policing matters."

wes

retalivity wrote: »

Not a teenager, but not far off it, they charged someone today with the murder of the elderly Asian guy at the flats on Cork st in Dublin last week.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0506/1214212-murder/

This prick was actually living across from the road from the victim, and was only just released from prison for multiple offences:

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/618145/six-weeks-for-man-who-stole-iphones-from-longford-students.html

22, 3 kids and only the 59 convictions, sure I guess there's hope for him yet...

I hope this guy if found guilty goes away for life no parole. There is no reforming someone who kills an elderly man with an axe.

BTW, I am all for at least trying to reform criminals, but some people need to be locked away for good, for the safety of the rest of us.

JP Liz V1

I think name and shame the minor scumbag thugs they don't deserve anonymity

wes

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think name and shame the minor scumbag thugs they don't deserve anonymity

Won't work, would be a badge of honour. I grew in inner city Dublin, went to school with a lot of lads like this. People who even at a young age, I knew would amount nothing, despite having every opportunity to better themselves.

They only understand one thing, and that is violence, as sad as it is to say that, I can spot these people to this day, and know who is trouble more often than not. Something I developed due to little ****s having a go at me since I was a kid, being one of the few non-white kids made me a target, but luckily I was pretty big for my age, so was able to defend myself, so they learned fast enough leave well enough alone.

Of course we can't advocate beating the crap out of troublesome teenagers, as for most of them that is not the answer, but for those who only understand violence, I have no solution, as I don't think normal methods that would work on most people will have any success. They will always be violent and worthless and cause trouble.

Tony EH

wes wrote: »

I hope this guy if found guilty goes away for life no parole. There is no reforming someone who kills an elderly man with an axe.

BTW, I am all for at least trying to reform criminals, but some people need to be locked away for good, for the safety of the rest of us.

Someone like that is lost, but more than likely lost due to a deep rooted psychopathy that was always there and that will never be cured by any method. A person that far gone to the point where they could do that can never be reached and there is no reform to be achieved.

They're a wholly different kettle of fish to the general type we're talking about in this thread though.

The Oort Cloud

Fandymo wrote: »

100%. My local Garda station was shut down a few years ago, as the population was booming towards 10,000+ people. After years of uproar and campaigning it was given the green light to re-open once it was renovated to much fanfare from our local "representatives".

We've now a very fancy looking Garda Station that will have 1 Community Garda, available one night per week for forms to be signed, while TUSLA will use it. So we've lost a station and gained a TUSLA office.

"In preparation for the implementation of the new Operating Policing Model, your local Garda station now accommodates a newly formed Divisional TUSLA liaison Unit. The unit is the central point of contact between AGS and TUSLA within the DMR North Division. The station also provides a victim room for use by Investigating Gardaí and vulnerable victims. The unit comprises a Sergeant and eight plainclothes Gardaí and is supervised by an Inspector and Detective Superintendent. The TUSLA liaison team are a specialised unit and will not be dealing with general policing matters."

That is interesting, didn't know that. Thanks for your post.

kapisko1PL

Malahide residents now organising a volunteer group to tackle antisocial local behaviour. Apparently something else kicked off last night but cannot find anything...

https://twitter.com/CommunityProte3/status/1391144953460494336?s=19

French Toast

kapisko1PL wrote: »

Malahide residents now organising a volunteer group to tackle antisocial local behaviour. Apparently something else kicked off last night but cannot find anything...

Interesting move. I'll be watching to see how it unfolds.

Atlantic Dawn

kapisko1PL wrote: »

Malahide residents now organising a volunteer group to tackle antisocial local behaviour. Apparently something else kicked off last night but cannot find anything...

https://twitter.com/CommunityProte3/status/1391144953460494336?s=19

I see the guy on the bike who kicked the girl in the face has been identified on social media.

votecounts

https://twitter.com/gloverstweets/status/1390952912696786945


Hope the poor girl is ok, utter scum did this

kapisko1PL

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I see the guy on the bike who kicked the girl in the face has been identified on social media.

Now all you need is a complete law and judiciary reform because as far as I'm concerned nothing is going to happen. It's seriously SAD.

kapisko1PL

Ok here's what happened. Absolute JOKE. You can even see the young ones jumping into adults trying to fight them. Seriously?

https://twitter.com/enjoymalahide/status/1391130753996558342?s=19

JP Liz V1

^ Where are the parents, have they any control?

Wanderer78

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ Where are the parents, have they any control?

...in the pub

Thelonious Monk

I think it's gas, a few mouthy teenagers and now they're saying leafy malahide is a war zone lol.

Thelonious Monk

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...in the pub

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

^ Where are the parents, have they any control?

Did your parents monitor your every move as a teenager? Most are allowed out on their own.

It's not going to get better any time soon.

As I've pointed out in other threads, if you take let's say the 25-50 age group in Ireland:
A large proportion have never worked, will never work and have a bunch of kids.
A decent proportion are foreign, mid-high earners, and mobile enough to leave whenever. They have no political sway.
Another large proportion are foreign, far out-strip everyone else's birth rate and have higher rates of unemployment and state-support dependency.
Then there's the proportion who are Irish, have ties, work and pay for most of the rest of them. These are the people who are having fewer kids than the others who are likely to hang around when things get worse.

Wanderer78

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Did your parents monitor your every move as a teenager? Most are allowed out on their own.

ah shur i know, im only taking the pi$$, a lot of people becoming angry nowadays though

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not going to get better any time soon.

As I've pointed out in other threads, if you take let's say the 25-50 age group in Ireland:
A large proportion have never worked, will never work and have a bunch of kids.
A decent proportion are foreign, mid-high earners, and mobile enough to leave whenever. They have no political sway.
Another large proportion are foreign, far out-strip everyone else's birth rate and have higher rates of unemployment and state-support dependency.
Then there's the proportion who are Irish, have ties, work and pay for most of the rest of them. These are the people who are having fewer kids than the others who are likely to hang around when things get worse.

Have you any sources for these wild claims?

Also, what's a large proportion?

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Have you any sources for these wild claims?

Also, what's a large proportion?

Which bit is a wild claim?

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

Which bit is a wild claim?

Without sources, all of it.

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Without sources, all of it.

LOL. Guessing you want a source for the colour of the sky as well?

Between this and the social housing thread it's just a perfect summation of the "right-on". They'll question everything and even when evidence is presented they'll move on and question something else. Rinse and repeat and when they have nothing left to question the reply is "Ah well so what?".

Ireland's total fertility rate is 1.75 per woman. Well below replacement. (Literally a Google will show you that)
In 2016 23% of births were to foreign-born mothers compared to 13% of the population being non-Irish. So foreign-born parents are over-represented. (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsar/vitalstatisticsannualreport2016/births2016/)
About 3.5% of the population is non-EU yet they account for 8.4% of mothers of births per year.(https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsys/vitalstatisticsyearlysummary2019/)

The fact that non-EU migrants claim benefits at a higher rate has been posted plenty of times before, though finding it hard to track down the stat for now. The above might give ya a start though.

Is the suggestion that high-earning foreigners are likely to be more mobile also a wild claim? Because really, if we can't take simple and obvious things like that as a given then it's hard to believe you're posting in anything approaching good faith.

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL. Guessing you want a source for the colour of the sky as well?

Between this and the social housing thread it's just a perfect summation of the "right-on". They'll question everything and even when evidence is presented they'll move on and question something else. Rinse and repeat and when they have nothing left to question the reply is "Ah well so what?".

Ireland's total fertility rate is 1.75 per woman. Well below replacement. (Literally a Google will show you that)
In 2016 23% of births were to foreign-born mothers compared to 13% of the population being non-Irish. So foreign-born parents are over-represented. (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsar/vitalstatisticsannualreport2016/births2016/)
About 3.5% of the population is non-EU yet they account for 8.4% of mothers of births per year.(https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsys/vitalstatisticsyearlysummary2019/)

The fact that non-EU migrants claim benefits at a higher rate has been posted plenty of times before, though finding it hard to track down the stat for now. The above might give ya a start though.

Is the suggestion that high-earning foreigners are likely to be more mobile also a wild claim? Because really, if we can't take simple and obvious things like that as a given then it's hard to believe you're posting in anything approaching good faith.

Nothing here backs up the claim that "a large proportion" of the 25 to 50 age group "have never worked, will never work and have a bunch of kids".

Nor is the claim about the proportion of foreign born people in that age group addressed.

Or the claim about the proportion of foreign with high rates of unemployment etx addressed.

If we could see the proportion of these, then the last claim would be obvious.

No idea what you're on about with the right-on stuff. I haven't taken an opinion on what you've said because you haven't provided any evidence. When you do, we'll cross that bridge. Comparisons with other countries or age groups would be helpful to address the "proportions" involved.

Apparently the howth junction incident has trended outside Ireland today. The Gardai might do something now.

EddieN75

Gardai can't be seen to give these scrotes a kicking. All they can do is bring them in and a judge throws another mark against their name. Pointless

Groups of members of the public on the other hand can. Especially now since everyone has a mask in their pocket so can do so without being identified. If there are groups coming into your area form a WhatsApp group, make sure you outnumber them and organise yourselves so it looks like a retaliation. Ie let the scrotes start it.

Then kick the living bejaysus out of them. So badly that they don't dream of congregating in the same area ever again. Then disperse in different directions and close the group.

This is how they solved problems in the days before people started to run to the Gardai with every single problem.

NoLuckLarry

Sterilisation and post natal abortion, a sure fire winner to solving this problem.

Saying that if a teen acted like these scrotes towards me, the best they’d hope for is tube feeding.

voldejoie

I was out for a walk with my (heavily pregnant) sister last week and while crossing over a bridge, a gang of five or six teenage boys on bikes tried to push us out onto the road with their front wheels, and one of them pulled at my sister's bag as if he was going to drag her along by it. It was absolutely terrifying tbh and I've since found out that two of the lads were involved in what my dad has referred to as "serious machete incidents" in the last year, and all of them are the kids of local drug dealing scum who should by rights have been locked up about 20 years ago but still somehow roam free. They have no fear, and why would they? They're untouchable. :mad:

K.Flyer

EddieN75 wrote: »

Gardai can't be seen to give these scrotes a kicking. All they can do is bring them in and a judge throws another mark against their name. Pointless

Groups of members of the public on the other hand can. Especially now since everyone has a mask in their pocket so can do so without being identified. If there are groups coming into your area form a WhatsApp group, make sure you outnumber them and organise yourselves so it looks like a retaliation. Ie let the scrotes start it.

Then kick the living bejaysus out of them. So badly that they don't dream of congregating in the same area ever again. Then disperse in different directions and close the group.

This is how they solved problems in the days before people started to run to the Gardai with every single problem.

I'm old enough to remember those days and most of the fathers in the area organising themselves and it wasn't done too covertly either, very much out in the open. I was young enough at the time, but old enough to know what was going on.
Garda would ramble by the group and with a nod and a wink bid the group a quiet evening and walk on.
Trouble makers soon got the message and fcuked off elsewhere, occasionally via the nearest A/E.
Sometimes it's the only message they understand.

K.Flyer

voldejoie wrote: »

I was out for a walk with my (heavily pregnant) sister last week and while crossing over a bridge, a gang of five or six teenage boys on bikes tried to push us out onto the road with their front wheels, and one of them pulled at my sister's bag as if he was going to drag her along by it. It was absolutely terrifying tbh and I've since found out that two of the lads were involved in what my dad has referred to as "serious machete incidents" in the last year, and all of them are the kids of local drug dealing scum who should by rights have been locked up about 20 years ago but still somehow roam free. They have no fear, and why would they? They're untouchable. :mad:

Here's the thing, they are not untouchable, just the judicial system is weak and needs a serious overhauling to start scooping these feral scum up off the streets.
They are becoming more brazen, more violent and other people's lives are cheap to them.
When you watch that carry on at the train station it typifies their scumbag attitude. I wonder how proud their parents are seeing what they are up to.

EddieN75

K.Flyer wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember those days and most of the fathers in the area organising themselves and it wasn't done too covertly either, very much out in the open. I was young enough at the time, but old enough to know what was going on.
Garda would ramble by the group and with a nod and a wink bid the group a quiet evening and walk on.
Trouble makers soon got the message and fcuked off elsewhere, occasionally via the nearest A/E.
Sometimes it's the only message they understand.

Of course. These little ****e know that the Gardai won't harm them and they will be back out on the street in no time.

A large group of adult males in their faces is the solution. Any lip or resistance to move on and stay gone should met with violence.