Eoghan Harris terminated

RandomViewer

mrjoneill wrote: »

It reflects more on the rag the Sindo had become.
He is not quite on his own he has Sean Kelly, and not surprisingly Ruth Dudley Edwards and Eilis O'Hanlon.
https://geekpic.net/pm-GYFV96.html

RDE seems to be the Belfast Telegraph's bigot in residence as well

Patsy McGarry got away with slagging colleagues off anonymously on Twitter a few years back.

I don't like Harris, but I wish he had of came a cropper for all columns and bile he wrote.

Caquas

mrjoneill wrote: »

It reflects more on the rag the Sindo had become.
He is not quite on his own he has Sean Kelly, and not surprisingly Ruth Dudley Edwards and Eilis O'Hanlon.
https://geekpic.net/pm-GYFV96.html

I should have said Harris doesn't have any friend who could actually defend him, as opposed to administer a Kiss of Death e.g. RDE and Kevin Myers.

Did Eilis O'Hanlon defend him? That would be very big of her considering that the current Phoenix (published before he was fired) has a piece about Eoghan Harris trying to enforce his line on N.I. against her. She has retweeted stuff in his defence (e.g. David Quinn, another Kiss of Death) but we all know the Twitter rule: retweeting is not an endorsement. Of course, we have only just learned a new Twitter rule: anonymity by a journalist (and a politician, or an employee of a political party perhaps?) is punishable by death.

Ironically, this should have been a dream week for Eoghan Harris - give us the inside scoop on the DUP leadership campaign and berate SF for their shabby treatment of Martina Anderson MEP (now there's misogyny for ya!). I had almost forgotten Sean Kelly is still an MEP. Remember the heart-stopping drama of the last EP election? No, neither can I. Does he have any link to Harris?

keeponhurling

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Not really sure why but the Irish Times have given him a platform to explain himself: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/eoghan-harris-and-barbara-j-pym-1.4565404

I thought it was a wonderful letter.
Harris nailed it yet again, and has the character of a happy warrior.
He doesn’t need validation from any online mob

He’s a real tonic.

mrjoneill

mrjoneill wrote: »

Only politician in the RoI that got his praise was Micheal. He claims he is an advisor to him which Micheal denies. I doubt Micheal has anything to do with him. He was constantly going for Leo’s jugular as this demonstrates and the argument he puts up is pure BS. Best of all is he writes about “to save a few oldies like him” referring to Leo and he almost double his age and obv immune suppressed making him both more susceptible and harmed by COVID
https://geekpic.net/pm-JVKSTT.html

Like him, to be fair, refers to Harris.

tipptom

keeponhurling wrote: »

I thought it was a wonderful letter.
Harris nailed it yet again, and has the character of a happy warrior.
He doesn’t need validation from any online mob

He’s a real tonic.

Thats exactly the same type of language that Eoghan would use to praise himself on the Pym acc.

"Harris nailed it again"LOLz

Fair play to ye.

mrjoneill

tipptom wrote: »

Thats exactly the same type of language that Eoghan would use to praise himself on the Pym acc.

"Harris nailed it again"LOLz

Fair play to ye.

He left out the Cuchullainn part.


“All through the ‘80s, Phoenix regularly remarked that I would never be heard from again. Some hope! Cuchullainn is my hero, and – far from retiring to write my autobiography – this profile will have to serve. I mean to die in some media battle – facing my foes,” he says.


https://www.hotpress.com/culture/speaking-his-mind-4516962

amandstu

A very interesting read and yes the Cuchullainn part does jump out.

Piehead

mrjoneill wrote: »

He left out the Cuchullainn part.


“All through the ‘80s, Phoenix regularly remarked that I would never be heard from again. Some hope! Cuchullainn is my hero, and – far from retiring to write my autobiography – this profile will have to serve. I mean to die in some media battle – facing my foes,” he says.


https://www.hotpress.com/culture/speaking-his-mind-4516962

Great article. Shows the depth and breadth of the man’s intelligence

Fann Linn

Piehead wrote: »

Great article. Shows the depth and breadth of the man’s intelligence

Or his conceit.

Hangdogroad

RandomViewer wrote: »

She supported the KKK and finally got the road for comments on the paralympics,

Yup, I remember that. The Sindo actually published her article where she spoke positively of the Ku Klux Klan. Shes a Yank who seems to hate Ireland and the Irish and moved here specifically to tell us so it seems.

jmcc

Fann Linn wrote: »

Or his conceit.

Or his ability to convince people slightly less smart than himself that he's some kind of political genius. He isn't, of course. He's just another Irish Times style, Trotskyite student intellectual. Always be wary of people who have to be photographed in front of book cases full of books that they did not write.

Regards...jmcc

ohnonotgmail

jmcc wrote: »

Or his ability to convince people slightly less smart than himself that he's some kind of political genius. He isn't, of course. He's just another Irish Times style, Trotskyite student intellectual. Always be wary of people who have to be photographed in front of book cases full of books that they did not write.

Regards...jmcc

or read.

tdf7187

Kole Delightful Woodchuck wrote: »

Patsy McGarry got away with slagging colleagues off anonymously on Twitter a few years back.

I don't like Harris, but I wish he had of came a cropper for all columns and bile he wrote.

This is pretty much my reaction also. There's certain a level of double standards in the way the rest of the Irish media are treating Harris (who I despise) by contrast to the easy time the wet liberal McGarry got for doing the same kind of thing. I suppose it is because Harris stands for something (though largely the wrong things, unfortunately) whereas McGarry is just a penny waffler.

ohnonotgmail

tdf7187 wrote: »

This is pretty much my reaction also. There's certain a level of double standards in the way the rest of the Irish media are treating Harris (who I despise) by contrast to the easy time the wet liberal McGarry got for doing the same kind of thing. I suppose it is because Harris stands for something (though largely the wrong things, unfortunately) whereas McGarry is just a penny waffler.

Did the McGarry tweets lead to legal action?

tipptom

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Yup, I remember that. The Sindo actually published her article where she spoke positively of the Ku Klux Klan. Shes a Yank who seems to hate Ireland and the Irish and moved here specifically to tell us so it seems.

Yup,that was the Independant and the Irish Times all over,some looper arrives over with an American or posh British accent (or the Irish ones who affected the accent) and hey presto,you are the lead journalist,was some sort of cultural inferiority complex among them.

She done another great article on the paralympics which is worth reading again for some of the quotes,Fanning came out and defended everything until the board forced him to retract and sack her.

Another nasty fruitcake.

Caquas

tdf7187 wrote: »

This is pretty much my reaction also. There's certain a level of double standards in the way the rest of the Irish media are treating Harris (who I despise) by contrast to the easy time the wet liberal McGarry got for doing the same kind of thing. I suppose it is because Harris stands for something (though largely the wrong things, unfortunately) whereas McGarry is just a penny waffler.

How could I have forgotten Patsy McGarry’s anonymous Twitter account? Same issue but very different result - McGarry was not sanctioned and remains the IT religious affairs correspondent to this day while his target, John Waters, resignedfrom the IT in protest. Sinead O’Connor fired off some classic tweets at McGarry.
https://villagemagazine.ie/john-waters-answers-the-liberal-establishment-and-the-craven-irish-times/

And Waters linked this to “Pantigate”

RTÉ paid up for the “homophobes” slur but Pantibliss made no apologies, he demanded an apology from RTÉ!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rory-oneill-wants-personal-apology-from-rte-29995450.html

archfi

Caquas wrote: »

How could I have forgotten Patsy McGarry’s anonymous Twitter account? Same issue but very different result - McGarry was not sanctioned and remains the IT religious affairs correspondent to this day while his target, John Waters, resignedfrom the IT in protest. Sinead O’Connor fired off some classic tweets at McGarry.
https://villagemagazine.ie/john-waters-answers-the-liberal-establishment-and-the-craven-irish-times/

And Waters linked this to “Pantigate”

RTÉ paid up for the “homophobes” slur but Pantibliss made no apologies, he demanded an apology from RTÉ!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rory-oneill-wants-personal-apology-from-rte-29995450.html

Interesting reads, thanks

magicbastarder

can someone remind me what mcgarry was tweeting? i.e. was it cat gifs, or was he sniping at people?

Jaysci20

Where was Fintan's article for Patsy? Is Fintan a bit of a hypocrite? Does he just kick people when they are definitely down?

FrancieBrady

Does anyone really care about how the vipers nest of Irish journalism responds to this?

Fact is Harris has terminated himself, he will never be taken seriously again and all that is now important is who else was involved.

The day he set up his troll account, he knew he was defeated as a campaigning journalist anyway, all he has achieved is to discredit journalism in general.

nacho libre

Caquas wrote: »

How could I have forgotten Patsy McGarry’s anonymous Twitter account? Same issue but very different result - McGarry was not sanctioned and remains the IT religious affairs correspondent to this day while his target, John Waters, resignedfrom the IT in protest. Sinead O’Connor fired off some classic tweets at McGarry.
https://villagemagazine.ie/john-waters-answers-the-liberal-establishment-and-the-craven-irish-times/

And Waters linked this to “Pantigate”

RTÉ paid up for the “homophobes” slur but Pantibliss made no apologies, he demanded an apology from RTÉ!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rory-oneill-wants-personal-apology-from-rte-29995450.html

"The second reason is that I believe such pseudonymous dishonest activity, on Twitter and elsewhere on the internet, is fairly widespread behaviour among journalists nowadays, and needs to be exposed."

I would love to know does John still hold this in light of recent developments with his good friend Eoghan.

jmcc

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Does anyone really care about how the vipers nest of Irish journalism responds to this?

Irish journalism is much bigger than the Dublin media bubble. It is hard, at times, not to think of the Dublin media bubble as a kind of extended village idiots convention.

Fact is Harris has terminated himself, he will never be taken seriously again and all that is now important is who else was involved.

The worst thing for Harris is that he is irrelevant. The Norwich Pharmacal order, if granted, will identify some of his collaborators. That's going to produce a big problem if any media outlets employ them.

all he has achieved is to discredit journalism in general.

He and his ilk are a toxic influence on Irish journalism in general and Dublin journalism in particular. If the Sindo had to have theme music for the Harris era, it would be "Duelling Banjos". And now, for Harris at least, the music has stopped.

Regards...jmcc

Fann Linn

jmcc wrote: »

Irish journalism is much bigger than the Dublin media bubble. It is hard, at times, not to think of the Dublin media bubble as a kind of extended village idiots convention.

The wort thing for Harris is that he is irrelevant. The Norwich Pharmacal order, if granted, will identify some of his collaborators. That's going to produce a big problem if any media outlets employ them.

He and his ilk are a toxic influence on Irish journalism in general and Dublin journalism in particular. If the Sindo had to have theme music for the Harris era, it would be "Duelling Banjos". And now, for Harris at least, the music has stopped.

Regards...jmcc

Will this Norwich order compel Twitter to release all of Harris's co conspirators?

jmcc

Fann Linn wrote: »

Will this Norwich order compel Twitter to release all of Harris's co conspirators?

I think it is seeking the data on the Harris accounts. There was also a mention, if I recall correctly, of the accounts that retweeted the tweets. According to yesterday's Sunday Times, there are 9 people suing. The hearing for the Norwich Pharmacal order is on June 4th. This could be a problem that extends beyond Harris.

Regards...jmcc

amandstu

nacho libre wrote: »

"The second reason is that I believe such pseudonymous dishonest activity, on Twitter and elsewhere on the internet, is fairly widespread behaviour among journalists nowadays, and needs to be exposed."

I would love to know does John still hold this in light of recent developments with his good friend Eoghan.

You can read his latest offerings
https://johnwaters.substack.com/p/bonus-content-a-week-from-my-window

Does that inform?(think he specifically says elsewhere (2007) that he is not a good friend"

"We've been friendly since, though never what you could call friends."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/flexibility-of-harris-is-inspiring-1.954818

tdf7187

magicbastarder wrote: »

can someone remind me what mcgarry was tweeting? i.e. was it cat gifs, or was he sniping at people?

He was sniping at a then Irish Times colleague, John Waters. Didnt have the balls to do it using his real name (if he did, most people would have agreed with him, Waters being a fruitcake, albeit not a coward.)

mrjoneill

amandstu wrote: »

You can read his latest offerings
https://johnwaters.substack.com/p/bonus-content-a-week-from-my-window

Does that inform?(think he specifically says elsewhere (2007) that he is not a good friend"

"We've been friendly since, though never what you could call friends."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/flexibility-of-harris-is-inspiring-1.954818

Some BS from John Water. He deflects and he lies. Nobody cares of Harris’s trench warfare with what are called “shinnbots” but he went a lot further. My argument is he was allowed by INM for months to use their rag the Sindo, Ireland’s largest newspaper as a launch pad to attack reputable journalist and academics. He was manufacturing news launched from his INM BS and seriously defaming behind anonymity. And this was using 9+ twitter accounts to so do.

https://johnwaters.substack.com/p/bonus-content-a-week-from-my-window

mrjoneill

tdf7187 wrote: »

He was sniping at a then Irish Times colleague, John Waters. Didnt have the balls to do it using his real name (if he did, most people would have agreed with him, Waters being a fruitcake, albeit not a coward.)

Anyone that led a campaign with another "word escape me to describe" that COVID was a fake leaves the mind boggled. As this is as we watch in India what unrestricted led to. And these fake twitter accounts was promoting COVID as a fake. Has Waters something to tell us???
https://geekpic.net/pm-JVKSTT.html

amandstu

mrjoneill wrote: »

Anyone that led a campaign with another "word escape me to describe" that COVID was a fake leaves the mind boggled. As this is as we watch in India what unrestricted led to. And these fake twitter accounts was promoting COVID as a fake. Has Waters something to tell us???
https://geekpic.net/pm-JVKSTT.html

Well (agreed re Covid) he has had this to say over the past week:

"I have long believed that 99 per cent of journalists are on Twitter under multiple fake accounts, but most of them just haven’t been caught yet. Harris got unlucky. "

https://johnwaters.substack.com/p/bonus-content-a-week-from-my-window

(I doubt it affected his (Harris')judgement but we should cut a lot of slack for anyone with an ongoing cancer treatment schedule over the past while ,esp if it was disrupted by the health crisis)