Employers struggling to fill positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed

ineedeuro

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...im not on facebook, so you ll have to try harder!

....so if that is the case, is welfare actually enough, again considering the immediacy of the almost doubling of pup literally overnight?

I would suggest joining facebook so at least you can keep up with activities on the local area. Lots of excellent community activities going on all over Ireland, was lovely to see. You do realise just because you have facebook you don't have to plaster your life all over it? as a means of communication in a community it is an excellent tool

The old saying goes 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'

Wanderer78

ineedeuro wrote: »

I would suggest joining facebook so at least you can keep up with activities on the local area. Lots of excellent community activities going on all over Ireland, was lovely to see. You do realise just because you have facebook you don't have to plaster your life all over it?

The old saying goes 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'

thank you, but ive life to be living, i stay in touch by other means, thankfully some groups pages are open to the public, i spend too much time on the internets anyway, tis all good

ineedeuro

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thank you, but ive life to be living, i stay in touch by other means, thankfully some groups pages are open to the public, i spend too much time on the internets anyway, tis all good

So you do use facebook? that was a fairly pointless exchange if you knew in the first place what I was talking about?

Wanderer78

ineedeuro wrote: »

So you do use facebook? that was a fairly pointless exchange if you knew in the first place what I was talking about?

im not a member of it, couldnt be arsed, couldnt be arsed looking for pointless posts either, ive limited time anyway, ive stuff to be doing. facebook is used to find particular information, most information doesnt seem to be information at all on it, a lot of bullsh1t on it, by the looks of it

rolling boh

Anybody who is just getting welfare all above board will not sustain any sort of lifestyle with much comfort in the long term so they will have to get extra cash .For a lot who work in low paid jobs dole and a cash in hand job here and there they will be better off .

zerosugarbuzz

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't read the previous 8 pages. But on page one people were saying, better raise the minimum wage then as if that's a magic bullet, introduced in a vacuum.

Go back to the 90s and €10.20 would be very good income. Raise the minimum wage and other factors will kick in like inflation. Minimum wage type work can only be valued higher in the short term everything will equalise back fairly quickly.

Go back to the 90's when a young couple in their 20's could buy a 3 bedroomed house inside the M50 relatively easily.

enricoh

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....and have a chat to those that have had to experience long term unemployment in the uk, you ll actually find cash in hand jobs are common, along side criminal behavior!

Just as well with our high dole rates in Ireland case in hand jobs are uncommon and criminal behavior almost non existent!!

Wanderer78

enricoh wrote: »

Just as well with our high dole rates in Ireland case in hand jobs are uncommon and criminal behavior almost non existent!!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/


...anymore bullsh1t now folks!

LillySV

Dempo1 wrote: »

Your determination to smear is palpable and embarrassing.

Not only phone calls made, letters continously sent, Log in locations to mywelfare accounts (IP addresses etc), visits to addresses, cross referencing with Revenue and indeed work place visits by SW inspectors. I've clearly said there have and will be abuses but you fail to understand 10"s of thousands of claims suspended, closed and surely you've seen numerous arrests and criminal charges which have been well publicised.

This emergency payment was brought in literally over night, of course it was open to abuse and I might add not the only abuse/frauds that have occurred during this pandemic. Over 800k availed of the PUP scheme at some stage but you paint a picture of rampant fraud, this is factually incorrect.

U haven’t a clue of what your talking about ... visits by inspectors to addresses... they weren’t allowed! Thousands of claims suspended and loads of arrests for it... u serious... I think you are watching too much magnum pi or something

When pup payment first started it was paid out in a rush, anyone who applied got it... then awhile later they applied afew checks, including cross referencing revenue records to see if they actually had been working ...a lot of claims were then closed as they found they hadn’t been..

What I’m on about is the large number of people who did qualify while in Ireland but then left Ireland and continued to receive pup since then ... and have no intention to stop their payment or look for work while they happy out on a relative fortune while in their own country ... can’t blame them... the govt paid out a figure that was probably higher than what they had been getting after tax and definitely after cost of travel and crèches costs etc

There had been afew checks started at airports last year to catch some but the dept was vilified in the press at time for it and your govt hadn’t the neck to take on our pc police so very little checks since .

Dept can’t check customers bank info to see where it’s being collected ... as regards checks to where people logged on ... why would they need to log on .. they’re already set up in payment amd they’re not being touched ... and if they ever did have to , I’m sure vpn will sort that

LillySV

Wanderer78 wrote: »

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/


...anymore bullsh1t now folks!

Ireland got a lot better at hiding their unemployment figures so would take those figures with a pinch of salt .... anyone that’s on back to work, back to education , lone parents , community employment etc are not included in those figures ... i would expect pup is included though ...

Dempo1

LillySV wrote: »

U haven’t a clue of what your talking about ... visits by inspectors to addresses... they weren’t allowed! Thousands of claims suspended and loads of arrests for it... u serious... I think you are watching too much magnum pi or something

When pup payment first started it was paid out in a rush, anyone who applied got it... then awhile later they applied afew checks, including cross referencing revenue records to see if they actually had been working ...a lot of claims were then closed as they found they hadn’t been..

What I’m on about is the large number of people who did qualify while in Ireland but then left Ireland and continued to receive pup since then ... and have no intention to stop their payment or look for work while they happy out on a relative fortune while in their own country ... can’t blame them... the govt paid out a figure that was probably higher than what they had been getting after tax and definitely after cost of travel and crèches costs etc

There had been afew checks started at airports last year to catch some but the dept was vilified in the press at time for it and your govt hadn’t the neck to take on our pc police so very little checks since .

Dept can’t check customers bank info to see where it’s being collected ... as regards checks to where people logged on ... why would they need to log on .. they’re already set up in payment amd they’re not being touched ... and if they ever did have to , I’m sure vpn will sort that

I think if you look at my posts on this thread you'll actually learn I do actually have a clue, but more importantly an objective understanding of what PUP is. I don't subscribe to the SW bashing mantra you clearly revel in and it's really quite disturbing. So I won't continue to engage with your bile and utterly incomprehensible arguments.

Banana Republic 1

6 wrote: »

The dole should be for people who really need it.

Anyone who is able to work but won't, should get max 50 quid a week.

We pay far too much welfare in this country.

Begrudging arrogance is the worst kind.

Eric Cartman

The PUP needs to be clamped down on, its very clear that there is a national crisis of work ethic, many would rather sit on their arse getting handouts than earn their money. This really does explain why the left does so well in irish politics.

But even socialist countries needed waiters and bin men so something will have to be done

Smee_Again

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The PUP needs to be clamped down on, its very clear that there is a national crisis of work ethic, many would rather sit on their arse getting handouts than earn their money. This really does explain why the left does so well in irish politics.

But even socialist countries needed waiters and bin men so something will have to be done

And that thing is to pay those waiters a liveable wage.

am_zarathustra

People have been banging that drum for decades and it never happens. Different jobs simply appear, think of the rise in entertainment etc

RandomViewer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The PUP needs to be clamped down on, its very clear that there is a national crisis of work ethic, many would rather sit on their arse getting handouts than earn their money. This really does explain why the left does so well in irish politics.

But even socialist countries needed waiters and bin men so something will have to be done

PUP numbers have dropped , people have found other jobs and hospitality jobs offering 10-20 hours over 7 days aren't going to get many takers, employers need to work with SW to ensure no one is going to be worse off,

enricoh

Dempo1 wrote: »

Apples and Oranges (no pun intended) comes to mind, their systems completely different, you should do some research, incidentally NI per captita compared to the Mainland UK has by far the most generous welfare supports and I might ADD this has caused quite some angst in the UK.

Anyway why drag NI into this thread, completely irrelevant.

So for example a hotelier down south has to increase wages to convince staff to come back to work. They're on the pup e350 n now the government is paying the vast majority of their rent on hap. No biggie this summer to pay extra, come November it's a different story.
The hotelier up north is competing with 70stg versus e350 down here.
Why drag NI into the thread? completely irrelevant you say. Our cost base and prices rise again like in the tiger and we'll have tons of shoppers heading north again, weekends away up north etc etc.

Dempo1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The PUP needs to be clamped down on, its very clear that there is a national crisis of work ethic, many would rather sit on their arse getting handouts than earn their money. This really does explain why the left does so well in irish politics.

But even socialist countries needed waiters and bin men so something will have to be done

O dear God, Clamped down, you make it seem if PUP was illegal, cop on. Telling your opinion of Binman "even socialist countries need them", what does that actually mean, mother of God, Tulips came out 2 months ago

RandomViewer

enricoh wrote: »

So for example a hotelier down south has to increase wages to convince staff to come back to work. They're on the pup e350 n now the government is paying the vast majority of their rent on hap. No biggie this summer to pay extra, come November it's a different story.
The hotelier up north is competing with 70stg versus e350 down here.
Why drag NI into the thread? completely irrelevant you say. Our cost base and prices rise again like in the tiger and we'll have tons of shoppers heading north again, weekends away up north etc etc.

Don't think you qualify for HAP on PUP, it's not a means tested payment, 350 is the upper rate ,anyone who was working part time will be on lower rates,

Dempo1

enricoh wrote: »

So for example a hotelier down south has to increase wages to convince staff to come back to work. They're on the pup e350 n now the government is paying the vast majority of their rent on hap. No biggie this summer to pay extra, come November it's a different story.
The hotelier up north is competing with 70stg versus e350 down here.
Why drag NI into the thread? completely irrelevant you say. Our cost base and prices rise again like in the tiger and we'll have tons of shoppers heading north again, weekends away up north etc etc.

Again, what has a hotel in NI got to do with the argument, why would an Irish PAYE worker decide to work in a UK employment system, are you suggesting PUP recepients from the hotel sector be extradited across the border to fill positions? For the record, the UK has 130k current vacancies in the hospitality sector that can't be filled, just reported on last week, is that the fault of PUP??????????

TefalBrain

If welfare is so great how come more people aren't leaving their own jobs to sign on? Could it be it's not all that great at all.


I spent a little time on welfare in the early 90's before i emigrated to New York and i wouldn't wish it on anyone. Miserable existence

Dempo1

RandomViewer wrote: »

Don't think you qualify for HAP on PUP, it's not a means tested payment, 350 is the upper rate ,anyone who was working part time will be on lower rates,

Completely correct however I believe if you had HAP prior to pandemic and had to go on PUP, you retain it.

TefalBrain

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The PUP needs to be clamped down on, its very clear that there is a national crisis of work ethic, many would rather sit on their arse getting handouts than earn their money. This really does explain why the left does so well in irish politics.

But even socialist countries needed waiters and bin men so something will have to be done

Inaccurate. We had almost full employment before the pandemic so people obviously liked working

Swing and a miss.

LillySV

Dempo1 wrote: »

I think if you look at my posts on this thread you'll actually learn I do actually have a clue, but more importantly an objective understanding of what PUP is. I don't subscribe to the SW bashing mantra you clearly revel in and it's really quite disturbing. So I won't continue to engage with your bile and utterly incomprehensible arguments.

Well I read enough to know you clearly don’t ... unless you are going to tell me u a dept official .. in which case I’ll guess your the minister or some other high level official that doesn’t have a clue of what’s going on .. or doesn’t want to admit what’s going on

Btw im not bashing Sw workers... they’re excellent and have worked really hard throughout this to get the country paid with little or no thanks from govt or their minister ... I’m bashing the clueless govt and high level officials who created and provided input/set criteria for payment

enricoh

LillySV wrote: »

Ireland got a lot better at hiding their unemployment figures so would take those figures with a pinch of salt .... anyone that’s on back to work, back to education , lone parents , community employment etc are not included in those figures ... i would expect pup is included though ...

The dole is for the suckers, disability is where it's at for any self respecting lifer!
He'll be quoting our GDP fixtures next n saying we don't spend enough!

If you're on the PUP you're technically not on the dole. It's only temporary. I'm currently on the PUP and enquired with the social about getting some financial help with getting truck lessons. The lady said I don't qualify for assistance as I'm on PUP but if I was on jobseekers I'd get it.
Not that it matters to me now as I got offered my dream job last week...

Dempo1

LillySV wrote: »

Well I read enough to know you clearly don’t ... unless you are going to tell me u a dept official .. in which case I’ll guess your the minister or some other high level official that doesn’t have a clue of what’s going on .. or doesn’t want to admit what’s going on

Btw im not bashing Sw workers... they’re excellent and have worked really hard throughout this to get the country paid with little or no thanks from govt or their minister ... I’m bashing the clueless govt and high level officials who created and provided input/set criteria for payment

Bashing SW/ generally /recepients etc, read back slowly and no, I'm not a dept official whom I have the upmost respect for.

Eric Cartman

TefalBrain wrote: »

Inaccurate. We had almost full employment before the pandemic so people obviously liked working

Swing and a miss.

Wellthen why are so many people not taking all the jobs on offer ? Is it because we gave them too much free money and now theyre going to milk it until the government turn off the tap - probably

enricoh

TefalBrain wrote: »

Inaccurate. We had almost full employment before the pandemic so people obviously liked working

Swing and a miss.

A miss is right! -

Employment Rate in Ireland averaged 66.50 percent from 1998 until 2020, reaching an all time high of 72.50 percent in the third quarter of 2007 and a record low of 59.30 percent in the first quarter of 2012.

RandomViewer

Think one of the big issues is that lots of hotels aren't viable and the owners are blaming all and sundry rather than accept their business is no longer what people want,