Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873302#Comment_117873302

Davies was on around 5 or 6 grand a week at Preston, so, I'd imagine he'd be doing well to get between 10 & 15 grand a week with us, certainly if he is on 60 grand a week whoever was responsible would need to be sacked.

Fitz*

Yeah Liverpool are not afraid to spend on agent fees. Sometimes keeping them happy can work out and help keep them informed of release clauses and CJ tract details etc.

They have not been afraid to work with Mendes a bit in recent years.

Also Fabinho's agent is none other than Deco, the ex Porto & Barcelona player. He also represents Raphinha who has been linked recently to a transfer.

Electric Nitwit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871823#Comment_117871823

Oh cool. They said something about F&F before the first three went on sale but it must not have actually come in 👍

theoneeyedman

'Agents fees' =backhanders and siphoned off money, used to grease the wheels in these big transfers (in my opinion and allegedly and all that).

Huge corruption in ALL these big deals, not just involving Liverpool obviously, but all over.

Big money inevitably means big corruption.

Fitz*

Fabinho & Alisson cleared to play Sunday.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1436452983307477010?s=19

Glico Man

The lads can play!

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1436452983307477010

giveitholly

Raphinha can play as well so Leeds will be just as happy

Agent Coulson

Harry Kane is proof why agents will never go away and will be paid huge money.

If Kane had one of the mega agents he would be a City player now and every bit of his 10% to that mega agent and whatever clubs had to pay that agent would have been worth it to him.

Can’t help but think if city really wanted him, he would be their player now. You are assuming Danial Levy would be more amenable to allowing Kane to leave if he had a super agent rather than his brother, this ain’t Levy’s first rodeo. If city paid enough, he would be gone.

corcaigh07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872859#Comment_117872859

Ideally, get 2 memberships and that'll allow you to enter some of the ballots for the second half of the season when it opens again. Also, transferring a ticket to another member is much easier than logging into a different person's LFC account and using someone else's NFC pass.

marklazarcovic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875437#Comment_117875437

If city thought he was worth the 150 mill they would have spent it no bother,they clearly thought otherwise

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875837#Comment_117875837

Yip, agree, doubt agent would make a difference, it was about what Levy would accept and City were willing to pay.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875888#Comment_117875888

A proper agent would likely never have allowed him to sign a 6 year contract with no break/release clauses in the first place, effectively handcuffing him to Levy till he's into his 30s. A more standard 4 year deal would've seen him in prime position this past window to leave for a big contract elsewhere at peak age, with only 1 year left on his deal. Top players never sign a deal that long unless they're already at a top level club.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876149#Comment_117876149

Very naive of him for sure. Particularly as it is not exactly a complex scenario to figure out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876149#Comment_117876149

A contract which doubled his wages and earns him up to £90,000,000.00 including bonuses over those 6 years, that is hardly incompetent performance from whoever is advising him, I would have thought. Spurs is not just any club, the same way Liverpool was not just any club for Gerrard, Kane signed that contract with his boyhood club and for all we know, his agent could have been advising him not to commit to 6 yrs.

I suspect for Kane, signing that contract wasn’t complex at all.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876246#Comment_117876246

I’ll be the cynic and ask what bonuses that are achievable? Win PL and CL probably the big ones. Not going to happen at Spurs. What is his wage per week ? In line with other strikers across the PL ? Not picking on you, just asking the questions.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876273#Comment_117876273

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5821351/Harry-Kane-agrees-new-six-year-deal-Tottenham-worth-90MILLION.html

Basic £200k pw, same as Salah.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876246#Comment_117876246

Depends entirely on his ambitions. If that contract was the height of it, and he never intended to get a big move (which doesn't seem the case from his agitations), then yup, it was a decent deal. But at the same time 200k a week (with bonuses) isn't worth the tradeoff imo. Especially when it came with the reality that it was very very very hard to get out of. A better agent would have still secured him a massive contract - he was already a massive performer at that stage - without effectively potentially forfeiting his future at the top level.

It's not like tonnes of players aren't on absolutely gigantic 4 year contracts or something! Like, he's on the same contract Mo Salah signed around the same time (well, Mo is on more) - except Mo is about to get renewed for an awful lot more again! Kane at city would have doubled his wages again. So what looked a decent deal is more likely to cost him money, as well as titles.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876287#Comment_117876287

That’s 10m per year for 6 years wages (200k per week), so 30m in bonuses he ain’t going to achieve over those 6.

200k per week is a lot to many, but hardly out of this world for a top striker in PL and he is also Spurs point man. Nobody else in that team competes even remotely with him in terms of wages or profile. He could argue doubling his wage was good but it was at a low base for his position.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876299#Comment_117876299

At the time Spurs were building well under Pochotino, he became one of the highest paid players in the league at his boyhood club.

The fact is, if a player wants to leave a club, they can force a sale no matter how long the contract is by downing tools and putting in a written transfer request. If MC offered enough money, it wouldn’t have mattered if he had a 10 yr contract, they didn’t and he didn’t push for the move, so he is at Spurs. Let’s see if he negotiates a new bumper contract, if he does, then you know it has **** all to do with the agent and everything to do with money and his desire to play for Spurs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876307#Comment_117876307

Who was trying to sign him/offering him more money in 2018?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876320#Comment_117876320

In terms of building, this was the same summer they spent 0 pounds on transfers... I do agree they looked decent, as outsiders, but did any of us really think they were gonna push on to challenging for leagues any time soon? It was a very outside possibility at best.

So what you're saying is, the contract he signed made it so the only way out was to down tools at his boyhood club and become a hate figure in London, with all the abuse for him and his family that we all know comes with that. Deadly. Good agent'ing there alright.

Bottom line is he signed a contract that was the going rate for a player of his ability at the time, but with a really damaging time frame. It's no surprise that Levy came out of negotiations with a novice agent with the deck stacked heavily in his favour. And it's also a reality that wages are incrementally increasing all the time... it wasn't hard to foresee that what was a good wage at the start of his 6 year contract now sees him underpaid in comparison to his ability. And he's still got 3 years to go, while every other player on his level is bumping up to 300k or 400k a week base salary.

It was a bad contract to buy into on just about every level.

Rebel you added a bit more to your previous post about Salah renewing his contract soon for more money, Kane will also likely to negotiate a new contract, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him top whatever Salah is paid to tie him to Spurs for the rest of his career, apparently he is looking for £400k pw.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876344#Comment_117876344

any time his name pops up, Daniel Levy is inevitably mentioned and it stops all conversations even among rival fans.

his original contract was 2016 and due to expire in 2022, which was also ridiculously long.

[url]https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44416749.amp[url]

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876376#Comment_117876376

Which seems like exactly what he doesn't want. He's made it clear he wanted to go win things. That initial contract has absolutely screwed him - if he wants the earn what he's worth his only option is to commit to staying even longer at a team going nowhere. A better contract 3 years ago would now see him earning the big money while also competing for the big prizes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876354#Comment_117876354

It’s a pity we can’t edit posts, regarding the down tools and good agenting, that’s what players with the best agents do sometimes, didn’t Ronaldo just do that at Juventus?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876386#Comment_117876386

He wants to win things, just not enough to force his exit from Spurs, when players want to leave, they leave.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876395#Comment_117876395

Do you not see the distinction between forcing your way out of any random club, versus forcing your way out of your boyhood club? Where your family and friends live? Where you likely intend to regularly return to, and likely live again only a few years down the line?

And even more broadly, players do force their way out, but that's sort of a 'break glass in case of emergency' sign that you've already made a mistake. It shouldn't be part of your actual plan for career progression. But of course a million times more-so in Kane's case being a home-town hero, with such a move having a much more significant impact on his life, and the lives of those around him.

It was a bad deal. It just was, for almost every reason. And it's not unreasonable to think an experienced agent might have done better.

<edit> as a pretty much unrelated aside, didn't Juve desperately want Ronaldo off the wage bill, since they're utterly broke? Don't think he had to force anything there, think everyone involved was content with that transfer.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876416#Comment_117876416

I really don’t see why this is an issue for you. Yes he signed a 6 yr contract making him one of the best paid players in the league at the time. His contract is up in 3 yrs, MC want him this summer which means that had he signed a 4 yr contract last summer, he would still have 3 yrs to go. A player, nor an agent cannot predict when one of the top teams is going to be in the market for a starting striker, nor whether the player is going to be the one the top team will want. So it is always a guessing game.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876466#Comment_117876466

Because a 6 year contract is not normal, particularly if you are at the top of your game. It removes all your bargaining positions. He could have got that money with a 4 year term and be ready to extend at his will.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876481#Comment_117876481

It really doesn’t, if he wanted to leave, he could have done what Ronaldo did with a year to go on his 4 yr contract, down tools and say I’m off.

A yr into his 4 yr contract and one of the top clubs want to sign him, he is in exactly the same position.

Whats “normal” about football?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876466#Comment_117876466

... but if you sign your deals with shorter (well, pretty much industry standard) contracts, you're always going to be closer to an opportunity than if you sign significantly longer ones. If you're on a 4 year deal, then every 2 years you're in a good competitive position to negotiate for a move or a pay raise. If you're on a 6 year deal, you only hit that point after 4 years. It's clear enough why the one is better than the other...

There's a reason literally no-one signs deals that long.

As for why 'its an issue for me', you're actually the first person i've ever seen try to argue that it wasn't a bad deal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876518#Comment_117876518

You can’t predict when one of the top 4 teams is going to want a striker, it could be a year into a 4 yr contract or yr 5 of a 6 yr contract, if Kane signed a 4 yr contract in 2018, Spurs would not have wanted him entering the last yr this summer, so would have negotiated it in 2020, same as we are doing with Salah, did city want Kane last summer?

citytillidie

For tomorrows game Liverpool players should warm up with tshirts saying we earned the Champions League after the Leeds players and there tshirts last season saying Champions League earn it :D

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876613#Comment_117876613

I mean, I’d just refer you back to my last post… you can’t always be in the optimal position to take advantage of interest, but you can improve your odds. A four year contract does that. A 6 year contract does not. There’s a reason (actually, lots of them, many already outlined) people don’t sign 6 year contracts very often…

anyway, feels like going round in circles here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876844#Comment_117876844

And again, I would say to you, had he signed a 4 yr contract in 2018, Spurs would have been renegotiating it last summer when MC nor anyone else seemed interested in him.

Jeez, you must be among the few that thinks contracts matter when players decide they want to leave. If Liverpool got an offer this summer from Real Madrid and Salah decided he wanted to leave, just like Coutinho (left 1 yr into a 5 yr contract, no break clause, agent Kia Joorabchian) there is **** all the club can do about it except negotiate the best price.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876866#Comment_117876866

Would he though? I mean, Salah signed a deal at the same time, he wasn't renegotiating it last summer because it was a better decision to wait till now. I'd imagine a good agent for Kane would have made the same decision. Being on a 4 year deal gave Mo flexibility to decide. The ball was in their court. Instead, in Kane's case, they're screwed from the outset. They wrote themselves out of that flexibility.

We already know very firmly (particularly in this very instance) that contracts do matter - they are not the be all and end all, but they dictate the terms of how everything else will work. And as already gone through in detail, Kane has EVEN LESS power in this instance because of his relationship with Spurs. He cannot do to Spurs what Coutinho did to Liverpool because the consequences of it are far more severe. So the only option to get out, which you seem to take so lightly, was a nuclear option that he ultimately thought was a step too far, for very obvious reasons..

mormank

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876613#Comment_117876613

Seriously you are wrong. Just let it go.

Part of the reason nobody "wanted" Kane last summer was BECAUSE of his really long stupid contract. Of course City wanted Kane last summer, tons of big clubs around Europe wanted Kane but all knew he wasnt available because of his really long contract and would have cost a ridiculous amount. The closer to the end of the contract a player gets the more power he has in his hands.

Rebel is 100% right on this one, for so many different reasons. Just let it go.

mormank

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876866#Comment_117876866

You just don't get it. Maybe you never will, but let it go. You're just wrong on this one. Everyone was interested in Kane last summer but nobody moved cos of his ridiculous contract. If Kane was available for 150mill this summer with 3 years left on his deal it stands to reason that last summer he may have been available for around 100mill with only 2 years left on his contract. Or even if you wanna say he might have been gettable for around 130mill last summer with 2 years left cos he is a year younger fine, but thats still much more possible to have happened than 150mill a year later and a year older.

Charlie19

I'm looking forward to my dinner, think I'll have a cold one to wash it down.

dogbert27

Can we all let go of the Harry Kane contract and get back to discussing Liverpool related news?

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876774#Comment_117876774

We should definitely be going there with a point to prove after that.

I remember the headlines afterwards saying it was a point won for the Premier League after Leeds scored.

Hopefully we can put up a big score and keep a clean sheet.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878272#Comment_117878272

Leeds are so open that there I think this is going to be like those Liverpool Newcastle 4-3 games long ago. High scoring nail biter.

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878300#Comment_117878300

Or Liverpool v Leeds 4-3 last season!!

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878303#Comment_117878303

Forgot about that !

~Rebel~

Will be a great one alright, really looking forward to it - and hugely happy to have Allison and Fab back allowed to play for it in particular!

Ikozma

Utd, city, and chelsea all looking very strong, tomorrow is a big game snd dare i say it a must win, cant afford to fall behind

Charlie19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117878947#Comment_117878947

Draw wouldn't be too bad, it's very early in the season to be calling it a must win.

Widdensushi

They would want to be tracking that Newcastle keeper bank account, just watched MOTD wtf.

population

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879038#Comment_117879038

I was really taken aback by the lack of mention of keeper error in the commentary.