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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Jose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,282 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    Motta might be a good shout if he can lured away from Serie A, been working wonders at Bologna this season. Juve might be hovering about though if they get rid of Allegri.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Amorim unlikely? Strange he looked a cert, what are the other options so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭Thud


    Why would anyone chose West Ham over Liverpool. Nonsense story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    He wouldn't but the bigger question is who is our preferred choice.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Arne Slot is tumbling in the odds. He'll be favourite soon at this rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭Talisman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Didn't Ornstein say in January that Edwards wasn't coming back to Liverpool?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Maybe Liverpool were never really seriously in for Amorin and that he was just one coach that was looked at, from a long short list. No harm for his agent to constantly mention any Liverpool interest as it helps Amorin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭Talisman


    He was the favourite to become the Tottenham manager last year and after meeting Daniel Levy decided to extend his contract with Feyenoord instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,434 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Zidane.

    Honest though I haven't a clue. Didn't know much about Amorin so don't know whether we are missing out on a top class coach or what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    There were plenty of negative comments about klopp last time also,,, sure there always be glass half empty fans....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    it was true at the time. People change their minds, as Edwards did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Location location location. London is an attraction over Liverpool or Manchester for that matter. We and Utd can tell ourselves that club history brings in players and managers but outside of Klopp I think, money talks first, then comes location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    For players sure, managers want the highest level or money wherever that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx




  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭bdmc16


    To even suggest a manager would turndown the Liverpool job in favour of West Ham because they would rather live in London than Liverpool is ridiculous. This maybe an issue with players but it’s won’t be decisive if we get or don’t get Amorim.

    Salary will obviously be a big factor but it will really come down to 2 main factors . Firstly, are we even in for him at all and as we may not have approached him. Secondly if he has turned us down it’s just far more likely he doesn’t fancy the job post Klopp given the pressure and big shoes to fill. The new structure with Edward’s span of control may not appeal either so they are any number of factors.

    If we are in for him and he wants the challenge there’s not way this falls over due to location .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Let's say by some weird coincidence that West ham and Liverpool offered the same salary (unlikely as vastly different sums currently) and you have a young family that will be uprooted. London would certainly be an attraction.

    Managers role is relatively short. He is a former player so I can't see why his mindset would change now. Forget the history nonsense as it doesn't play into it at all.

    Aside from that, and nothing to do with this discussion, his current wife has links via family/in-laws to PSG. Wiki (if you trust it) says her in law brought Neymar to PSG.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭Damien360


    He was poison. I'm convinced in my own mind that he started the salary race at Utd which has tore them apart. Overpaying on salary for rubbish consistently. He was there a short time so maybe my timelines are out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Exactly and Amorin might change his mind as well!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭.red.


    For Chelsea, Arsenal and maybe even Spurs but not West Ham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,407 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Not Mourinho, please not him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,597 ✭✭✭brevity


    More rumours hat Amorim is out of the running.

    We are being linked with Arne Slot now.

    I was all in on Amorim and spent way too much time reading articles and watching analysis.

    I hope the powers that be make the right decision. It could absolutely **** everything up if they don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Augme


    Eddie Howe 18/1. They'd need to add at least one zero to that to make it anyway attractive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Mourinho was at the game at the weekend because he lives nearby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,140 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Sure Howe isn't even managing Newcastle, his sidekick is.1800/1 more like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    There are any number of reasons that Amorim or anyone might not take the job if offered it, the might not like the terms and condition they would have to work under, maybe the club and managers vision don't align. While the role at at West Ham migh feel like a better fit, might have more control etc. Ultimately if he chooses West Ham over us then he was never the right man for the job anyway.

    Until we confirm a new manager, it's difficult to know who will get it, the decision might already be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,765 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Whoever the new manager will be I pray that he’s not Italian . That would be too much for a shock after Klopps heavy metal football



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Had we offered Amorim the job? I didnt think we had



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    What about Luis Enrique?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Sounds to me we are penny pinching when it comes to finding a manager, it's the one thing you never penny pinch with. I'd rather have Gerrard than someone picked purely on how little they want.

    I find it strange that Ruben would fly into London in the middle of a title run in to look for another job, it doesn't fit the person we've all read about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Paulo Fonseca linked with Liverpool job, he's a calm clever tactical guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    This is the
    fourth country in which Fonseca has coached. After leaving Portugal in
    2016, he restored Shakhtar Donetsk to the top of Ukrainian football,
    building a team admired across Europe, before then experiencing the
    crosswinds of life at Roma. One good season, one less so. After leaving
    Italy, he was ensnared by Tottenham’s
    chaotic coaching search during the summer of 2021. The following year,
    Fonseca, his wife, Katerina, and their young child fled Kyiv in the
    early hours of a February morning, escaping the Ukrainian capital as
    Russian bombing devastated the city.

    Then in 2022, he arrived in Lille. They had won the Ligue 1 title in 2021 but plunged into mid-table immediately after.

    Fonseca was the response. For him, it was an opportunity on his terms.

    “The
    main thing in my conversation with the club was the feeling that I
    would be able to build something that was mine. That’s what made me
    decide to come to Lille. They had been champions two years before, but
    most of the players (from that side) had left. The owner wanted to build
    a new team with young players and no pressure. He wanted a new way of
    playing and a team that could dominate games. Immediately I had the
    feeling: ‘Yes, this is the place. I can build an identity here’.”

    (Francois Lo Presti/AFP via Getty Images)

    Fonseca
    led LOSC to fifth place and the Europa Conference League during his
    first season. In the process, he set a club record of 22 consecutive
    home games without defeat, developing one of the most attractive teams
    in France along the way. And that mattered because aesthetics are
    precious to him.

    “For me, it’s never just about the result. It’s about the process. What we create and the way we create it. This is very important for me. I want to create something
    that allows you to enjoy the game. And to do that, you need to have an
    attacking way of playing. You have to try to dominate and create more
    chances than the opposition.

    “I
    think today people appreciate less the coaches who don’t have courage. I
    want to create something spectacular. Something for people to really
    enjoy.”

    Most often, they do. Fonseca teaches a bold possession
    game, full of verve. His football is built on daring exits from defence
    and clever numerical advantages constructed in midfield. His LOSC want
    to bait their opponents. They want to draw the teams they play into the
    middle of the pitch, lure them with intricate passing, before fanning
    out and exploiting the space.

    “Our
    game is attraction,” Fonseca says. “We want teams to press us so that
    we can find space. And so we take many risks. Especially when we build
    up because our first phase — with our different structures and how we
    accelerate and decelerate the game — is what allows us to dominate.”

    Bold
    football brings rewards, but sometimes there is a price for taking
    risks. At times during his career, that has been a criticism, but
    Fonseca does not believe in scared football. In fact, he believes it is
    an obstacle to what LOSC are trying to achieve.

    “We’ll fail sometimes,” he says. “Of course.

    “We
    are not the biggest club in France. We do not have the same capacity as
    some of the other clubs. But we can be strong if we choose the right
    players and if we can build a team with courage.”

    LOSC have only
    the sixth-largest wage bill in Ligue 1. Paris Saint-German spend nearly
    six times as much. Marseille three times. Monaco more than double. There
    is also a significant financial gap to Rennes and Lyon.

    Fonseca
    and his club agree that courageous football is the way to punch above
    their weight. The cost, however, is putting players in positions where
    they might make mistakes. In the present day, when any errors draw
    social media savagery, that can be a tough proposition.

    “This type of game is not for weak players,” Fonseca accepts.

    “The
    players have to know they will make mistakes, but I always insist they
    try. They know they can fail, but only within the intentions of the
    team. If it goes wrong, then it’s my fault.

    “I’ll say that to the media: ‘I’m guilty here, not them.’ I’m asking my players to take these risks.”

    He
    is asking supporters to understand them, too, and to appreciate the
    broader aims. Fonseca does not want a stadium of quiet, angsty
    fidgeters.

    “It’s important to really make the people understand
    our style of play. Here in Lille, people understood very quickly what we
    were trying. When everybody believes, I think that most of the time
    they don’t think about mistakes. The players take risks without being
    afraid to fail.”

    Character, courage, fearlessness. Fonseca demands
    these qualities but — in keeping with the club’s vision — from an
    extremely young side. Canadian forward Jonathan David and former Manchester United prospect Angel Gomes are 23, goalkeeper Lucas Chevalier is 22 and
    full-back Tiago Santos is 21. Centre-back Leny Yoro, who is as good a
    defensive prospect as there is anywhere in Europe, is 18.

    Fonseca lights up with pride when he talks of Yoro, a stylish footballer who is the image of the modern defender.

    “He’s amazing. In all my career, I’ve never seen such a mature young player.”

    Fonseca gave senior debuts to, among others, Diogo Jota (at Pacos Ferreira), Mykhailo Mudryk (at Shakhtar Donetsk) and Carlos Baleba (LOSC, recently sold to Brighton), so he has been around plenty of
    potential; in the years to come, Yoro will surely have a career to
    watch.

    Asked about his favourite part of his job, Fonseca does not
    hesitate. He enjoys match days and being on the touchline, but the
    training pitch is where he would always rather be.

    “I’m not the
    kind of coach who believes that the games improve players. No, it’s the
    work. The daily work. When we get the time, I love the sessions, the
    exercises and the teaching on the pitch.”

    Dressed as Zorro after Shakhtar defeated Manchester City in the Champions League (Stanislav Vedmid/AFP via Getty Images)

    Increasingly,
    that is a privilege. Lille’s continued participation in Europe will
    keep them in a Thursday-Sunday routine for, they hope, much of the rest
    of the season, with days on the training pitch increasingly scarce.

    “It’s
    true, we’re always getting less time, but I’m having such a good time
    with these players and this team. From when I arrived, the players were
    so open to playing my game and it was amazing to feel how much the
    players were willing to believe in that approach.”

    He
    takes pride, too, in what he describes as players “growing with the
    ideas of the team”. LOSC have become a hothouse of sorts, full of
    players of similar profiles, incubated by the team’s chemistry and all
    progressing in the right direction.

    Edon Zhegrova has benefited. A
    left-footed right winger, the Kosovan has grown much more efficient
    under Fonseca. Alexsandro Ribeiro, who often partners Yoro in the middle
    of a defence that is statistically Ligue 1’s third-meanest, was playing
    in the Portuguese second division 18 months ago. Bafode Diakite, 22,
    joined from Toulouse for €3million (£2.6m; $3.3m) in the summer of 2022,
    but his value has risen exponentially after strong performances in
    different defensive roles.

    Clearly, much is going right at LOSC.
    The recruitment has been excellent and a youth academy which helped to
    produce Eden Hazard, Franck Ribery, Yohan Cabaye and Benjamin Pavard
    remains prolific. Fonseca’s work is helping the club capitalise on its
    strengths. Part of that involves empowering players.

    “He is a bit similar to Thomas Tuchel,” Henrikh Mkhitaryan, who played for Fonseca at Roma, told The Athletic in 2021. “He tries to put the players in the best positions to allow them to play their own style of game freely.”

    Fonseca describes his period in Rome as an awakening of sorts.

    “It
    was a difficult experience, but I enjoyed it so much,” he says. “The
    passion of the Italians is amazing. You have radio stations that talk
    about football for 24 hours. All the newspapers, too. It was a huge
    pressure, but I loved it.

    (Paolo Bruno/Getty Images)

    “I
    grew a lot there. Every country has different ideas about the game and
    in a lot of them, many coaches believe in the same things. In Portugal,
    for instance, we were really influenced by tactical periodisation and by
    Vitor Frade (the Porto academic credited with founding the theory). But
    in Italy, I saw so many different types of football and had to adapt so
    often, to pure man-to-man, for instance, like (Atalanta head coach Gian Piero) Gasperini. You don’t really get that in England or Germany. Brighton and Manchester City, maybe, and some teams do it during moments of the game, like at goal kicks, but all the time – no.

    “Italy is so tactically rich like that.”

    Fonseca
    managed Roma during the Covid-19 shutdown and recovery and then through
    a change in the club’s ownership. He is reflective about his two
    seasons there, conceding that he made too many tactical compromises.
    During the 2020-21 campaign, his last, he and his squad were not quite
    suited to one another, he believes. That the club chose Jose Mourinho
    and his pragmatism to succeed him suggests he was right.

    But
    Fonseca really comes to life when talking about the differences in
    footballing culture he has encountered and how they have altered his
    thinking. One of the adaptions he has made has been in how he uses his
    4-2-3-1 formation to attack. In Ukraine, Shakhtar’s comparative strength
    allowed him to use both full-backs, usually Darjo Srna and Ismaily,
    high up the pitch, really as wingers. Ismaily, who is in his thirties
    now, is with Fonseca again in Lille, but in a modified system.

    “Here
    we still attack with five players, but we find them from different
    parts of the team and often just use one full-back pushed higher. So, we
    might only give Ismaily (on the left) more freedom to be offensive and
    block the right-back from going forward. Why? Well, because Edon
    (Zhegrova, the right winger) doesn’t have the right characteristics to
    play infield (inside an attacking full-back) and also because we have to
    prepare for the moment when we lose possession.

    “In Ukraine, the
    teams didn’t create that many problems, so it was OK to take risks and
    push players forward. Here? No. The game has a lot of transitions.

    “It
    was the same in Italy, where you have to be really careful. There are
    so many teams who play in a low block and wait for the opportunity to
    counter-attack. You have to prepare well for that moment.”

    Another difference he has encountered in France is a change in the way opponents approach his team.

    “In the first year, we had the right conditions to play our game.

    “Most
    of the teams would press us, which is what we wanted, but this year
    they have started to defend much deeper, much more in a low block. OK,
    when we play against Monaco and Paris Saint-Germain, they still press
    us, but many others are using a low block.

    “So the game is not as
    it was last year. It is a big difference and gives you another solution
    to find and sometimes this year our team has had difficulties with this.
    Not just us. I see a lot of games in England and when teams play with
    10 players in their box, it’s even difficult for Manchester City. When
    we play this kind of game, the talent of the players and what they can
    do one-on-one is so important. You need a lot of individual ability.”

    Fonseca has to devise ways to deal with some of the world’s best players (Franck Fife/AFP via Getty Images)

    The hope is that the freedom Fonseca affords talent allows LOSC to keep evolving and forcing other teams to adapt.

    He
    is an avid football watcher and knows what he likes. He speaks of his
    admiration for all sorts of teams. Gasperini’s Atalanta. Roberto De
    Zerbi’s Sassuolo of the past and his Brighton side of the present. He
    talks of the work Igor Tudor did last year at Marseille and of an
    enduring affection for Pep Guardiola’s great Barcelona teams.

    But
    his eyes really dance when he speaks of the riddles that football
    poses. How to find a new way out of defence. How to tease a docile
    opponent forward. Or just how to make a player forget their fear.

    “I love the game,” he says, meaning it.

    “I love my job.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,546 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ruben not the guy if he's off looking for a new job while he should be working, unless he flew in to talk to Liverpool in London😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,597 ✭✭✭brevity


    That's one thing that I find hard to believe about the rumours. Who goes travelling for interviews when they are at the top of their league? Very sus imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,146 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    They've a 6 day gap until their next game alright though, and really have all but secured the title too (7 points clear with 4 games left), so if there were to be a meeting before season's end, now would probably be the time.

    I do highly doubt that he turned down Liverpool in favour of West Ham though - have to figure if he ends up at West Ham, then he wasn't offered a bigger job. Even if he does poorly in a bigger job at this stage, he'll still be in line for the likes of West Ham down the line - whereas if things don't go well at West Ham, you've no chance of getting a big offer again. Wouldn't make any sense to go with them if he has other offers. I'd even be surprised if the likes of Man Utd and maybe even Chelsea weren't all over that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭jack747


    Think all the manager talk is purely media speculation. Knowing the way Liverpool have done their business in the past, cant see them finalizing a new manager in the midst of a title race. Don't think they'd try and unsettle Sporting/Amorim either.

    I personally couldn't give a toss about the manager hunt right now, just want us to win the league. My only thoughts are that if we win the league as a result of DeZerbi getting 3 points on Thursday, sign that man up!

    I'm fully confident in Edwards to get it right, its obvious he's an operator. Whoever they get, hopefully they get the support from the fans and not judged before a ball is kicked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Of course we haven’t! Absolutely bizarre that some others think Amorin has turned down Liverpool. Very good record in Portugal and mediocre record in Europe. Despite the media frenzy about him, he’d clearly be a gamble and I’d be surprised if he was our next highest choice.

    Like most of our best player signings, the media won’t know about our new manager until LFC wants them to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Klopp is one of the highest paid manager's in world football. Why would we now decide that we need to penny pinch in this department when it comes to replacing him? Just please stop talking nonsense for once.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,415 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I am completely checked out on the new manager. Whoever it is will fail, the record of managers who follow long term club records at the elite level is overwhelmingly poor. In that sense, it doesn't matter. I expect next couple of seasons will be really poor, and the real appointment is the guy who follows whoever the guy is this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I think De Zerbi has done a good job at Brighton this season again. Lost caicedo, Mac allister, trosaard, loads of injuries and still has them in top half of the table. We've seen the sort of calibre of player Macca is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Paisley followed Shankly and won 6 league titles, 3 League Cups, 3 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup

    Fagan followed Paisley and won a treble of League, League Cup and European Cup and got to another European Cup Final (would likely have stayed longer but for that game at Heysel)

    Dalglish followed Fagan and won 3 league titles and 2 FA Cups (and was himself haunted by Hillsborough tragedy which likely fed into his resignation decision)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,415 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    And Sounness followed Dalglish and Hodgson followed Benitez.

    The last successful transition we had after a European Cup / League winning manager was ~40 years ago, which says a lot. Look at what happened after Ferguson or Wenger. Klopp's approach has permeated everything about how the club is run and how the current squad is constructed. And the English league environment is as competitive as it ever was.

    If you're really into this manager search and expecting good things next year you are on the engagement wheel, being a dutiful football fan. It's all a bit delusional imo, but to each their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,313 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    This is why you do not pay attention what is said on twitter

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    There is a major difference in the way clubs were run under SAF or Wenger to now though

    When SAF left Utd - Utd lost a lot more influence over the entire running of the club than any modern manager will leave behind. Those jobs/roles are just more spread out now.

    If the club is still in a good position behind the scenes with their internal setup then I don't see why you'd be looking at transitions like we seen with Fergie or Wenger leaving again.

    The overall planning of the squad remains largely the same. There isn't as much pinned on 1 man to keep the ship afloat.

    Obviously, you can get a manager appointment wrong but I wouldn't expect it to be years of rebuilding playing staff after Klopp. Most of that rebuilding has started on the squad already. As long as the next guy isn't a total stylistic change then the players are there for a good season.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd have to agree with Lloyd a bit tbh, but you never know. I'd remain maybe a bit more hopeful.

    The next guy coming in following Klopp is really up against it. When I look at the managers linked and mentioned it backs it up.

    Should the new guy miss out on top 4 in his first season for example, he's probably not going to make it.

    Ancellotti for me would be the manager I'd want to see come in. Top class. It won't happen, so we're going for a hopeful punt. De Zerbi? Cmon, ffs, we aren't Everton. Not a chance he'll have us challenging for a title. He's another Brendan Rodgers, decent to a certain level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,597 ✭✭✭brevity


    I think there are better people in charge now so hopefully they don't make the same mistakes.

    If they choose someone who has won trophies and is going to do right by the club and not be overwhelmed by the job at hand then I will be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I mean we've only had those 2 examples of transitions in the past 40 years anyway so it's not a huge sample size!

    City won their first league in ages and replaced their winning manager with Guardiola who's won even more.

    Chelsea have had a revolving door of managers but still won European trophies with the likes of Benitez, di Matteo, Sarri, Tuchel. Ancelotti comes in and wins a league, same with Conte, Avram Grant gets to a Champions League Final and he's crap. di Matteo wasn't even a proper manager but he's won as many Champions Leagues as Klopp - because of the squad he inherited.

    This idea that Klopp leaves and we're suddenly off a cliff makes no sense unless they do what Souness or Hodgson did to the squad. This team he's leaving is in much better shape than what Fergie left at United or what Benitez left (including what the owners left at the time in terms of what can be invested)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭Thud


    Champions League football would trump location for pretty much any manager



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