Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119698769#Comment_119698769

His defending has never been his strong point, but, it's been atrocious this season and even towards the end of last season, yet, some still refuse to see this, implying that it's all part of Klopp's plan, surely to God Klopp can't be that naive to believe you can have a full back play like that and expect to be successful. How can anyone expect other players to constantly cover for him and still be expected to fulfill their own roles aswell. Trent either needs to improve his defending or be dropped. Give Gomez a few games there, defensively he can't really do much worse.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697825#Comment_119697825

Thaigo & Fab don't have the legs to help out the full backs in that set up ,

If you go with them Fab & Thaigo as a two you need a 3rd CB in my opinion so the full backs have cover,

Its the same reason Chelsea always play Jorghino in a 2 but with 3 CB's , he doesn't have the legs for a 2 infront of a back 4

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119698050#Comment_119698050

It depends , Its not the actually winger or his ability that causes Trent worst issues, Its when the winger get help & they play short one twos around him that he is getting caught , He is worse at defending space more so than actually defending one on one,

The trick will be to make sure Martinelli doesn't get the help to play them quick one twos but it'll be difficult as Zinchenko & even Jesus will drop over towards him to out number Trent,

surely to God Klopp can't be that naive to believe you can have a full back play like that and expect to be successful

Rumour has it Mr Naive, aka Jurgen Klopp has been doing it for a number of years now...

paulie21

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1577235990753730568?t=lsAEMNoPTbKJLEd9XnEDFQ&s=19

Possible 4-2-3-1 tonight

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699269#Comment_119699269

We had a much more mobile midfield than we currently have, plus Trent wasn't defending as poorly as he has been recently. That makes a huge difference to what Klopp tactics were in the past, the midfielders are no longer able to cover for Trent and Trent's defending has gotten worse. It's not working at the moment, maybe when we have a more mobile midfield that can cover for Trent he can go back to his free role, but until then we have to look at changing tactics and trying something else.

Also Klopp is not above criticism, no manager is, they all make mistakes from time to time and it's ok to point that out.

rob316

Love to see a formation change tonight. Salah is just totally ineffective in the current formation, its just not realistic to think Salah can still play the same role for the 7th year running. Even Ronaldo transitioned from a winger to more central, we saw it with Mane he was like a new player playing through the middle. Worryingly though that could prove bad for Nunez though and might become apparent its a RW we needed not a CF.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699941#Comment_119699941

Its a huge oversight from Klopp ,Stevie Wonder could see we where going into the season even before injuries with a problem with legs in midfield , especially given the availability problems of players ,

From a tactical stand point it looks like 3 CB is the easiest way to solve our right hand side issues ,but I'm not sure Klopp is willing to change shape ,

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/report-jurgen-klopp-could-change-liverpool-formation-for-rangers-clash

''As to whether Klopp will move away from his tried and trusted formation remains to be seen but something is needed to give the team some fresh impetus during this difficult period.

Fitz*

A formation change only really works if the 3rd midfielder actually plays as a 10, and not as a side midfielder. Eg Firmino.

If Elliot starts as the 3rd midfielder, he might just end up dropping into the same positions he would regularly in the 4-3-3 as the RCM.

Likewise, Carvalho. I'd like to see him playing as the 10 tho, and not lost out on the wing. He's a small guy so can get lost out there on the wings.

What other options are there for a 4-2-3-1?

martyos121

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700028#Comment_119700028

I don’t see any reason we can’t play a 4-4-2 with both of them up top. It’s actually a great pressing formation when implemented effectively and having an extremely direct and powerful forward like Nunez combining with the more elusive and skilful Salah is a very complimentary partnership. It could also get Trent into the right midfield/Beckham role too where he’s obviously more suited, with Gomez competing with Ramsay for the traditional right back slot.

We’re all just guessing though. When Klopp says he’s changing the formation, it’ll probably be a very subtle tweak like playing two 6s and a 10 instead of one 6 and two 8s.

Fitz*

Also, no harm taking Fabinho out of the side tonight.

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700176#Comment_119700176

I'd have no issues with that after the other day, he looked leggy as feck, mind you being half way around the world during the week would do that to anyone, he was on Brazil duty wasn't he?

Not making excuses for him, just the way it is...

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700176#Comment_119700176

I would id play Hendo as the 6 & go Thaigo & Arthur either side , not much pace there but what can we do,

I love Jota but Nunez HAS to start, what the point of him if he can't play home games to Rangers

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700229#Comment_119700229

He's looked leggy with a couple of months now. He is prone to it, but that's generally in the second half of the season. It's worrying that it has happened so early. It's like he came back to pre-season still tired and never got his fitness back.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700317#Comment_119700317

I want Nunez to start too. But would also like to see Jota too. I think only one can start though, unless Salah is rested.

Mr Crispy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700229#Comment_119700229

He was, but they were playing in Paris.

BorneTobyWilde

Buying Haaland was a no brainer, but we stupidly allowed our principles to get in the way, preferring to pay Nunez way less, but pay 85m for him.

I have no doubt whatsoever that City will get back every dime and more that they will have invested in Haaland over the next 2 or 3 seasons, plus maybe a CL and more league titles.

Also Pep allowed this guy to put ball in net, and nothing else, while Klopp is trying to turn Nunez into Firmino

BobDole22

Surely Nunez starts tonight? A golden opportunity to get his confidence up playing at home to a glorified pub team. I watched Celtic destroy Rangers a few weeks back realistically Liverpool should be putting 5 or 6 past these.

rob316

You have to feel for Fabinho he's gone from playing with 2 work horses that had all the legs in the world in Hendo and Gini to part time Thiago and a crocked Henderson. The supporting cast aren't in his sort of level at all, midfield is just a mess.

citytillidie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700488#Comment_119700488

Do you think City paid and are paying for Haaland what has been reported?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700730#Comment_119700730

With the already disclosed agent fees etc added in, his transfer cost was around the same or a bit more than Darwin's anyway. Add in a much higher disclosed wage (and probably a fair chunk on top via some other means, given we know Mino was looking for a lot more than even the 350k a week), and the costs are just not comparable.

rob316

Its incomparable, he also has a release clause in 2024 so can go off to Spain if he wants

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700488#Comment_119700488

Haaland was never an option ,

Can only imagine his real wage & his Dad got paid mental money to ,

Remember this is Man City , Kompany's fake Limousine service ,wasn't there talk they paid B.Silva wife a wage

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700783#Comment_119700783

I've a feeling when that time comes, that - if he's still dominating - City will do what PSG did when Mbappe was out of contract and destined for Madrid, and simply make him an offer he can't refuse. Like Mbappe, he'll have all the leverage in the world to get previously unprecedented terms - especially as Pep will likely be off around then, and City will be eager to keep some continuity into the next era I'm sure.

I think he'll move on eventually, but I could see him there for 5 or 6 years maybe, and then go to Spain.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkpDVQsYB4

Carra talking of the fear I mentioned, people losing their s h it around Haaland, and only making it easy for it.

atilladehun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700488#Comment_119700488

You can't attribute things that were never on the table as failures. The player showed no interest in Liverpool. He turned down loads of massive clubs. City didn't pick him off a shelf. He spoke to every club in Europe and he picked his club.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700808#Comment_119700808

And they paid Pelligrino twice

Absolutely mental amount of Rangers fans in Liverpool tonight by the way. Massive group travelled without tickets

giveitholly

4-2-3-1. Jota and Nunez start

Agent Coulson

Kelleher & Ramsey on the bench.

That just leaves Robbo, Ox & Naby in the physio room.

Infoseeker1975

Good to see a different approach being tried and hopefully Nunez gets his first 90 mins under his belt. A win along with an away win v Napoli would be nice.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701275#Comment_119701275

Arthur missing though. Might be just no space but wonder if that's an injury.

Curtis Jones also missing, he apparently re-injured himself after most recent bench appearance

WillmaDickfit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119694204#Comment_119694204

he chose the wrong club? what club should he have chose then? he'll have at leat 4 prems and probably 2 champs league by the time he leaves which will definitely not be "2 years"

tinpib

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701275#Comment_119701275

Ox and Naby in the physio room, which is just how we like it!

Fitz*

Happy that Fabinho is dropped tbh. He's leggy and could do with the break too. A few more could/should be in the same boat, but at the same time they could do with playing themselves into form.

Interesting the formation change. Klopp has to try something. It's odd to see the 4-2-3-1 / 4-2-4 without a natural connector from midfield to attack. I wonder if it will be Diaz or Jota in there? Can't really see Salah or Nunez doing it. Mane quietly was able to do that role, along with Bobby being a natural at it. I've a feeling it will be Jota as he kind of did similar while at Wolves and upfront with Jimenez in a free role.

theoneeyedman

Probably Jota in that role that is suited to Bobby, but I can see why Bobby is rested.

Fab hasn't been great this season, and got chewed out very publicly by Klopp at the weekend. Whether he's a cause or a victim of our midfield woes I don't know, but we do need more from him.

Just seen Ban Davies making his Anfield debut tonight, he's gonna have a stormer ain't he?

TheRiverman

Minutes silence perfectly observed.

citytillidie

Goalllllllllllllllllllllllll

Fitz*

Beauty of a goal

retalivity

BAng!

patsy sally

Cracking strike

Delighted for him.

theoneeyedman

Good lad - has had his attitude, talent, ability and worth questioned by every w4nker with a keyboard, microphone or a phone over the last fortnight, that's the fvckin answer lad!

BorneTobyWilde

Nunez is like a Clockwork Toy

Easy to wind up

Widdensushi

Some player...

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701589#Comment_119701589

He tried to stop a quick free kick - hardly a wind up situation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119701588#Comment_119701588

There are a few w4nkers who don’t seem to understand why the questions were asked though.

yourdeadwright

Nunez started well looks like a footballer tonight

You can see he still thinking about it a bit much off the ball,

A first half goal would do him wonders

Fitz*

Nunez is very involved anyways.

fyfe79

Be nice to see VVD get one tonight - the fume in the away end would be mighty!

Fitz*

Find it odd that Diaz has the free role and is roaming a lot. He is picking up the ball in the right wing at times, and lot of central areas. Nunez is moving too.

The only one that seems to be rigidly stuck to his position is Salah.