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    #3032
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The original "equivalence" was made by wes, in a post to which Igotadose was responding.

    I can't figure out if you're this repeatedly dishonest intentionally, but it really makes discussions you're involved in unpleasant to wade through.

    Nope didn’t catch that context. But you make it hard to be civil in response about it when you go for the personal digs. If you have that much trouble with me simply put me on ignore then. Ta.

    Fact is though al-Aqua is a holy site, third holiest in the religion, and attacks on it and it’s worshippers should be viewed as a crime.


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    #3033
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Go pile up some explosives and stand next to them as they ignite.

    Then, if you can, go stand next to a canister of tear gas.

    Is the experience different?
    Gaza protests: Eight-month-old Palestinian baby 'dies from tear gas inhalation' after ‘massacre’ at border

    Can I borrow your baby for a minute, i want to conduct a harmless experiment?


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    #3034
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    why do you bring a baby to a protest? oh maybe cant get a child minder


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    #3035
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Nope didn’t catch that context. But you make it hard to be civil in response about it when you go for the personal digs. If you have that much trouble with me simply put me on ignore then. Ta.

    Your posts are, on occasion, insightful, so I'll keep skimming for nuggets. Ta.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Fact is though al-Aqua is a holy site, third holiest in the religion, and attacks on it and it’s worshippers should be viewed as a crime.

    I have no idea what happened altogether at Al-Aqsa today. Half the reports I've seen are "evil Israeli police STORM Al-Aqsa mosque as innocent Muslims try to pray and celebrate a truce" and the other half are "Israeli police use disbursement measures against rioting Muslims who stayed behind after prayers to chant and cause unrest over what they see as a victory over Israel". Paraphrasing. I'll wait for more.


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    #3036
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    why do you bring a baby to a protest? oh maybe cant get a child minder

    Why do I get the feeling if a Palestinian mother ever left her baby alone with someone else in Israel she would never see it again.


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    #3037
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Why are the “police”(heavily armed thugs with automatic rifles and military helmets along with stun gernades) breaking up a crowd at a mosque?

    What’s the exact reason?


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    #3038
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Your posts are, on occasion, insightful, so I'll keep skimming for nuggets. Ta.



    I have no idea what happened altogether at Al-Aqsa today. Half the reports I've seen are "evil Israeli police STORM Al-Aqsa mosque as innocent Muslims try to pray and celebrate a truce" and the other half are "Israeli police use disbursement measures against rioting Muslims who stayed behind after prayers to chant and cause unrest over what they see as a victory over Israel". Paraphrasing. I'll wait for more.

    Imagine the horror of chanting and making your beliefs known at a religious site. The horror. Free speech doesn’t exist at religious sites the Muslims should obviously know that


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    #3039
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Imagine the horror of chanting and making your beliefs known at a religious site. The horror. Free speech doesn’t exist at religious sites the Muslims should obviously know that

    You (I'm sure unintentionally) skipped over the "rioting" part there.

    In any case, the point remains that neither you nor I know exactly what happened, so I'll wait until more information is available. Emotional reactions amidst a dearth of knowledge are just not my thing.


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    #3040
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You (I'm sure unintentionally) skipped over the "rioting" part there.

    In any case, the point remains that neither you nor I know exactly what happened, so I'll wait until more information is available. Emotional reactions amidst a dearth of knowledge are just not my thing.

    Who would there be to riot against if they were just left alone at their holy site?


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    #3041
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Who would there be to riot against if they were just left alone at their holy site?

    What are you doing? Like, what are you going for here?

    I told you that I don't know what happened there and will wait until more information comes out. No more information has come out yet.


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    #3042
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What are you doing? Like, what are you going for here?

    I told you that I don't know what happened there and will wait until more information comes out. No more information has come out yet.

    There has been plenty of videos of families getting stun gernades thrown at them? Any need?


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    #3043
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What are you doing? Like, what are you going for here?

    I told you that I don't know what happened there and will wait until more information comes out. No more information has come out yet.

    I think it was obvious my question was rhetorical. Again, I invite you to ignore me if you are going to filter everything I say as some kind of assault on you.


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    #3044
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    why do you bring a baby to a protest? oh maybe cant get a child minder

    Children are present at protests in Ireland all the time.


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    #3045
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Children are present at protests in Ireland all the time.

    All over the world. Most people go to protests to be peaceful at them.


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    #3046
    [Deleted User]
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    There has been plenty of videos of families getting stun gernades thrown at them? Any need?

    Good question. And one I've already said I don't have an answer to yet.


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    #3047
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Overheal wrote: »
    All over the world. Most people go to protests to be peaceful at them.

    I think we have seen plenty examples over the last year or so, of the authorities being the ones who actually kick off violence by attacking protesters, and using any violent retaliation to justify the violence they actually started......


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    #3048
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    There has been plenty of videos of families getting stun gernades thrown at them? Any need?

    The IDF were caught throwing grenades at ambulances as they attempted to take civilians to hospital.


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    #3049
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,302 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You (I'm sure unintentionally) skipped over the "rioting" part there.

    In any case, the point remains that neither you nor I know exactly what happened, so I'll wait until more information is available. Emotional reactions amidst a dearth of knowledge are just not my thing.

    Do you have proof of this rioting?


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    #3050
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 52,012 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Almost the entire world is now on the side of the poor tortured people of Palestine after witnessing the terrible atrocities committed against them by the Israelis on every news bulletin.
    Many of the US politicians have come out to voice opinions on the terror and the same from politicians worldwide. Public opinion is now heavily on the Palestinian side.

    Israel has lost heavily politically and the eyes of the world is on their every move and will be from now on. My bet is that they’ll have to stop evicting Palestinians from their homes and stealing their land.

    It’s very sad that it took the deaths of so many innocents to make that happen.


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    #3051
    [Deleted User]
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Do you have proof of this rioting?

    lol


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    #3052
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    lol

    So no.


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    #3053
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,302 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    lol

    Hilarious isn't it. So you have proof or not?


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    #3054
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So no.

    I have spent this ENTIRE PAGE and possibly some of the previous one saying that I don't have a full picture of what happened yet.

    Did I ****ing stutter?


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    #3055
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Almost the entire world is now on the side of the poor tortured people of Palestine after witnessing the terrible atrocities committed against them by the Israelis on every news bulletin.
    Many of the US politicians have come out to voice opinions on the terror and the same from politicians worldwide. Public opinion is now heavily on the Palestinian side.

    Israel has lost heavily politically and the eyes of the world is on their every move and will be from now on. My bet is that they’ll have to stop evicting Palestinians from their homes and stealing their land.

    It’s very sad that it took the deaths of so many innocents to make that happen.




    You, Sir, are an optimist. They've done far worse in the past and its been carry on regardless. The best any of us can do is support BDS and boycotts of Israel, cultural and sporting.


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    #3056
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have spent this ENTIRE PAGE and possibly some of the previous one saying that I don't have a full picture of what happened yet.

    Did I ****ing stutter?

    Well you have proof already? What are your thoughts based on the current evidence?


    What further information are you waiting for?


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    #3057
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,460 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I assume if you’re going to argue that there was rioting that you have some evidence of there being rioting. Especially when accusing others of ‘skipping over the “rioting.”’

    If one has no evidence of rioting I posit they shouldn’t be leveling such remarks at other users for “skipping over” something they themselves have no evidence of.


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    #3058
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Overheal wrote: »
    I assume if you’re going to argue that there was rioting that you have some evidence of there being rioting. Especially when accusing others of ‘skipping over the “rioting.”’

    If one has no evidence of rioting I posit they shouldn’t be leveling such remarks at other users for “skipping over” something they themselves have no evidence of.

    Also, all the news sources apparently missed it as well.


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    #3059
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,657 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Almost the entire world is now on the side of the poor tortured people of Palestine after witnessing the terrible atrocities committed against them by the Israelis on every news bulletin.
    Many of the US politicians have come out to voice opinions on the terror and the same from politicians worldwide. Public opinion is now heavily on the Palestinian side.

    Israel has lost heavily politically and the eyes of the world is on their every move and will be from now on. My bet is that they’ll have to stop evicting Palestinians from their homes and stealing their land.

    It’s very sad that it took the deaths of so many innocents to make that happen.

    To be fair, I think the world has been looking on with disgust at what Israel has been doing for several decades now, but it doesn't seem to bother them in the slightest.

    As long as the US has their back, they can continue on as normal.


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    #3060
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I assume if you’re going to argue that there was rioting that you have some evidence of there being rioting. Especially when accusing others of ‘skipping over the “rioting.”’

    If one has no evidence of rioting I posit they shouldn’t be leveling such remarks at other users for “skipping over” something they themselves have no evidence of.

    I didn't argue that there was rioting, I said that I'd seen reports of rioting. In a post to you. Like, a direct response to you in this thread. And the post itself was a response to you quoting that post, and then commenting about "chanting and making your beliefs known" - which is a different thing to the rioting that I had already said was only something I had seen reported. At the same time as I said that I didn't know what had occurred in Al-Aqsa, and would wait for more information.

    Again: what are you doing here? I'm at a loss to understand this post that completely misunderstands or seems not to have been present for the preceding discussion... but you were my interlocutor for much of it.


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    #3061
    [Deleted User]
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    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Well you have proof already? What are your thoughts based on the current evidence?


    What further information are you waiting for?

    I have seen video that starts in the middle of what is obviously an ongoing situation, and regardless of how much you and others want to goad me into it, I am not going to pretend that I have the full facts of what occurred prior to the beginning of that video, nor am I going to react to the contents of the video until more information is available.

    I don't know why anyone would.

    My "thoughts" are meaningless without the relevant facts.


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