Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Overheal

wes wrote: »

A rather nasty and racist ad in the New York time a couple of days ago:
https://twitter.com/matthewduchesne/status/1396109317867294725?s=20

One of the targets of this libel replied:
https://twitter.com/DUALIPA/status/1396224254761488388?s=20

This is the kind of racist (accusing people who are Muslim or who are seen to be Muslim in the case of Dua Lipa, is an anti-Muslim trope) and libelous crap appearing the New York times, even as an ad. Shows the clear anti-Palestinians bias in the Western media. I doubt you would see such an ad allowed targeting any other group.

Also, the small pro-Israel protest (1500 in attendance) in the UK today, featured a racist Nakba denier Israeli Ambassador Tzipi Hotovely. The Nakba is well established fact, and you can read about it in detail in the book "The Ethnic cleansing of Palestine" by IIan Pappe, or a more concise read can be found here:

A Jewish case for Palestinian refugee return


Also, the infamous Tommy Robinson was in attendance, but his presence was thankfully condemned by organizers.

You can read about the protest here:
1500 demonstrate in solidarity with Israel


Also violence in Sheikh Jarrah continues, despite Israel agreeing to a ceasefire:
https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1396159298179379202?s=20

Also, admission of war crimes from IDF members coming out now:
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1396108367576408067?s=20

Yeah - I am not sure I would trust the objectivity of anything printed by the New York Times out of hand on this. They are run by Israelis/Israeli-residents, as cited in this video I posted earlier, obviating the political and ethical conflicts of interest (7:00 mins in for the relevant bit):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8jN-Suxos0

cnocbui

Overheal wrote: »

Yeah - I am not sure I would trust the objectivity of anything printed by the New York Times out of hand on this. They are run by Israelis/Israeli-residents, as cited in this video I posted earlier, obviating the political and ethical conflicts of interest (7:00 mins in for the relevant bit):

Someone posted earlier in the thread, a link to an interesting Youtube channel with an interview, (Blumenthal?) in which it was recounted that the New York Times correspondent in Jerusalem, lives in a house that was seized from a Palestinian who was the BBCs representative and who's family was ethnically cleansed. Then of course his son served in the Israeli army as did those of other NYT employees in Israel.

You could hardly make this stuff up.

Found it - scroll to 5:00 in.

Mimon

Really is shameful the way people, including some on here try to dehumanise Palestinians. The US media is particularly bad. It would not suit their agenda to show these people's humanity.

Anthony Bourdain summed it up well after receiving an award for his Gaza episode. He got an award for showing Palestinians doing normal human things- eating, playing with their children, with the same thoughts, hopes, dreams and rights as anyone else.

It came as a shock to a lot of people to see that they are humans like the rest of us. That's how low the bar has been set in terms of how some media have depicted the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pRNV8wAws

biko

Tala Halawa, a Palestine Specialist for BBC Monitoring, had been covering the recent conflict in Gaza this week, and had done a piece to camera in a video covering Bella Hadid's stance on the conflict in the region.

In 2014 Halawa tweeted #HitlerWasRight, and then got job with BBC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9610065/BBC-journalist-blasted-online-post-saying-HitlerWasRight.html

Mimon

Great to see a NY movement of Jewish people who stand up against the injustices of Israeli state. I don't know how people on here who use the antisemtic card to try to negate any light being shone on Israeli's atrocities will compute this.

https://twitter.com/andyratto/status/1395882627429720066/photo/1

"I am at the Shabbat for Palestinian Liberation at Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn with a giant crowd of Jews fighting for a Free Palestine.
@jvpliveNY

@jvplive
are leading us in a Jewish movement for a free Palestine and liberation for all between the river and sea. #FreePalestine"

cnocbui

Good on them. Nice to see some people have a conscience and can discern right from wrong.

Hande hoche!

biko wrote: »

Tala Halawa, a Palestine Specialist for BBC Monitoring, had been covering the recent conflict in Gaza this week, and had done a piece to camera in a video covering Bella Hadid's stance on the conflict in the region.

In 2014 Halawa tweeted #HitlerWasRight, and then got job with BBC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9610065/BBC-journalist-blasted-online-post-saying-HitlerWasRight.html

Reminds one of the CNN contributor who was declaring the need for another Hitler.

Fandymo

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Reminds one of the CNN contributor who was declaring the need for another Hitler.

People often forget the good things that Hitler did. He was the one that shot Hitler in the head and killed him, for one!!

Hande hoche!

Fandymo wrote: »

People often forget the good things that Hitler did. He was the one that shot Hitler in the head and killed him, for one!!

Wasn't there cyanide involved? To be sure to be sure.

paulaa

Overheal wrote: »

That doesn't make much sense to me. One of the most frequent reasons to register for a forum is to talk about things you don't know enough about, and are asking people for their view/experience.

The poster is not asking any questions or discussing anything . They are whinging about posters criticising Israel's attacks on Palestinians.I have them ignore

nacho libre

Mimon wrote: »

Great to see a NY movement of Jewish people who stand up against the injustices of Israeli state. I don't know how people on here who use the antisemtic card to try to negate any light being shone on Israeli's atrocities will compute this.

https://twitter.com/andyratto/status/1395882627429720066/photo/1

"I am at the Shabbat for Palestinian Liberation at Grand Army Plaza in Brooklyn with a giant crowd of Jews fighting for a Free Palestine.
@jvpliveNY

@jvplive
are leading us in a Jewish movement for a free Palestine and liberation for all between the river and sea. #FreePalestine"

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2AVnY9XoAQipY0?format=jpg& name=900x900[/IMG]

They are regarded as deluded self-hating jews by apologists. Alan Dershowitz was at it again after Bernie Sanders piece in the New York times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/opinion/bernie-sanders-israel-palestine-gaza.html

Norman Finkelstein is another self-hating jew according to Alan.

Akrasia

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

What do you suggest?

There can be no peace until Israel stops further displacement (ethnic cleansing) of Palestinians.

Unless the Nakba is to be reversed, is it accepted Israel must now exist. Or does "river to the sea" suggest not.

Other than compensation for displaced Palestinians (however its done), and the two state solution what else is there?

Living side by side in a New Palestine?

I don't think a 2 state solution will work because there will be constant tensions over resources. The Israelis control all of Palestine's water supply, even though much of that water is in Palestinian land, The Israelis blocked up wells and prohibited Palestinians from digging new wells
If there is a 2 state solution, would Israel give Palestine back their water?
Not likely IMO
There needs to be a single state solution, one state that treats all citizens equally

I don't care if they call it Palestine, or Israel, or Israel Palestine, in order to have any hope of success, everyone who lives there would need to have full and equal democratic and civil rights and be entirely equal under the constitution of the new state

And there would need to be a truth and reconciliation commission and independent arbitration to make judgements over property disputes arising from the displacement of palestinians, and the right to return for palestinian refugees, or at least offer them compensation to allow them to make a life elsewhere if there is no home for them to return to.

How would any of this arise? It would take the USA to withdraw support for any zionist regime in Israel, and to insist that any support for Israel going forward would only be forthcoming with massive political and constitutional reforms

Is that likely to happen? not in my lifetime I don't think.

In the meantime, we'll see continued misery for the palestinians in the region. They'll begin rebuilding after this years attack, but it'll happen again in 3 or 4 more years. All the while, the jewish settlers will push them off more and more of their land, into smaller and smaller parcels of wasteland where they will get more and more desparate and angry

I can see another Intifada, more suicide bombings, and more excuses for the Israeli army to shell palestine and to arrest and remove palestinians living inside Israel.

PeggyShippen

It wouldn't be a great deal for Israel. They'd be subsidising millions of poor Palestinians firstly. Secondly the Jews see Israel as the only real place they can call their own without relying on the goodwill of other places they live. They've obviously been treated terribly for a couple of thousand years. Even if America was to pressure them ,ultimately they would never give in and risk being outbred and dominated again. I fear the real future is more of the same until a few visionary leaders come along and try something else. Or else a real hardliner comes to power in Israel and expels the Palestinians completely. Id say that's more of an option than the idea of a single Palestine/Israel state.

Akrasia

PeggyShippen wrote: »

It wouldn't be a great deal for Israel. They'd be subsidising millions of poor Palestinians firstly. Secondly the Jews see Israel as the only real place they can call their own without relying on the goodwill of other places they live. They've obviously been treated terribly for a couple of thousand years. Even if America was to pressure them ,ultimately they would never give in and risk being outbred and dominated again. I fear the real future is more of the same until a few visionary leaders come along and try something else. Or else a real hardliner comes to power in Israel and expels the Palestinians completely. Id say that's more of an option than the idea of a single Palestine/Israel state.

Without the protection of the US, Israel is extremely vulnerable

Protection from 'the leaders of the free world' should come with strings attached,which should preclude war crimes, mass collective punishment of millions of people

Its more likely that the ethnic cleansing project will be completed than Israel voluntarily chooses to reform and, or that the US will act to force Israel to do so.And this is a very sad indication of the state of democracy in our world. Hundred of years after the British wiped out the indigenous people of Australia, and the US settlers wiped out the native americans, at a time when we pretend to be more enlightened and civilised, we're witnessing the Israelis wiping out the palestinian people and the people who could step in and stop it, are actively helping them to do it.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

I don't think a 2 state solution will work because there will be constant tensions over resources. The Israelis control all of Palestine's water supply, even though much of that water is in Palestinian land, The Israelis blocked up wells and prohibited Palestinians from digging new wells
If there is a 2 state solution, would Israel give Palestine back their water?
Not likely IMO
There needs to be a single state solution, one state that treats all citizens equally

I don't care if they call it Palestine, or Israel, or Israel Palestine, in order to have any hope of success, everyone who lives there would need to have full and equal democratic and civil rights and be entirely equal under the constitution of the new state

And there would need to be a truth and reconciliation commission and independent arbitration to make judgements over property disputes arising from the displacement of palestinians, and the right to return for palestinian refugees, or at least offer them compensation to allow them to make a life elsewhere if there is no home for them to return to.

How would any of this arise? It would take the USA to withdraw support for any zionist regime in Israel, and to insist that any support for Israel going forward would only be forthcoming with massive political and constitutional reforms

Is that likely to happen? not in my lifetime I don't think.

In the meantime, we'll see continued misery for the palestinians in the region. They'll begin rebuilding after this years attack, but it'll happen again in 3 or 4 more years. All the while, the jewish settlers will push them off more and more of their land, into smaller and smaller parcels of wasteland where they will get more and more desparate and angry

I can see another Intifada, more suicide bombings, and more excuses for the Israeli army to shell palestine and to arrest and remove palestinians living inside Israel.

I can't see that working, it never really existed as you describe it could. (It would be great).
There was always an empire of some sort maintaining some semblance of a peace, with the odd outbreak of violence, and with very different population demographics historically.
As a compromise, there's not much in it for the Israelis, who appear to have the trump cards.
So as you say, continued misery for Palestinians

Odhinn

There is something people can do - support BDS.
https://bdsmovement.net/


The BDS movement against Apartheid grew in strength over the years and led to the virtually complete Isolation of the south African state. Theres no reason to believe the same can't be achieved against Israel.

AMKC

I will sign it. Imagine that Gaza residents can not even fish in there own water because the Isreali navy stops them. That's is disgraceful and totally wrong.

Timberrrrrrrr

AMKC wrote: »

I will sign it. Imagine that Gaza residents can not even fish in there own water because the Isreali navy stops them. That's is disgraceful and totally wrong.

Israel stopped Civid vaccines getting to the Palestinian people. Think about that, they stopped vaccines from reaching people who are crammed into a tiny area during a global pandemic.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Israel stopped Civid vaccines getting to the Palestinian people. Think about that, they stopped vaccines from reaching people who are crammed into a tiny area during a global pandemic.

I wouldn't put it past that shower to then try and infect Gaza with Covid. Horrible horrible country.

agoodpunt

spare a thought for the risidents in the cork site, irelands own gaza but at least they have SW and vaccines

Northernlily

Northernlily wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past that shower to then try and infect Gaza with Covid. Horrible horrible country.

Anyone who has visited Israel would never come to such an absurd conclusion.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Anyone who has visited Israel would never come to such an absurd conclusion.

I don't need to visit Israel to come to that conclusion.

UDAWINNER

eskimohunt wrote: »

Anyone who has visited Israel would never come to such an absurd conclusion.

I don't need to visit a murderer to know they are one.

https://twitter.com/hzomlot/status/1396870135084851201

Another proud day for Israel,
#terroriststate

UDAWINNER

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Another proud day for Israel,
#terroriststate

Children are routinely arrested.

For some perspective, children account for almost 10 percent of all recorded crimes in Ireland.

Now imagine how febrile the atmosphere can be in Israel at times, and you can understand why children may, at times, need to be arrested.

It's easy to use children for propaganda reasons such as this but, when you take a step back and consider the broader picture - in tandem with how every other country also arrests/detains children at times - you see a very different picture indeed.

It also exposes bias, needless to say.

tayto lover

eskimohunt wrote: »

Children are routinely arrested.

For some perspective, children account for almost 10 percent of all recorded crimes in Ireland.

Now imagine how febrile the atmosphere can be in Israel at times, and you can understand why children may, at times, need to be arrested.

It's easy to use children for propaganda reasons such as this but, when you take a step back and consider the broader picture - in tandem with how every other country also arrests/detains children at times - you see a very different picture indeed.

It also exposes bias, needless to say.

What percentage of Israeli children are arrested?

cnocbui

eskimohunt wrote: »

Children are routinely arrested.

For some perspective, children account for almost 10 percent of all recorded crimes in Ireland.

Now imagine how febrile the atmosphere can be in Israel at times, and you can understand why children may, at times, need to be arrested.

It's easy to use children for propaganda reasons such as this but, when you take a step back and consider the broader picture - in tandem with how every other country also arrests/detains children at times - you see a very different picture indeed.

It also exposes bias, needless to say.

Your stance makes me puke.

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian children detained by the Israeli military are subject to widespread, systematic ill-treatment that violates international law, a UNICEF report said on Wednesday.
The UNICEF logo is pictured on a building in Geneva November 17, 2009. REUTERS/Denis Balibouse

The United Nations Children Fund (UNICEF) estimated that 700 Palestinian children aged 12-17, most of them boys, are arrested, interrogated and detained by the Israeli military, police and security agents every year in the occupied West Bank.

UNICEF said it had identified some examples of practices that “amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment according to the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention against Torture”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-children-idUSBRE9250D520130306

Overheal

FactsANDLogic wrote: »

Edited to add: I don't recall the Jews, the Roma, or Italian villagers firing 4,000 rockets on German cities that warranted a harsh response from the Germans.

It literally hadn't been invented yet. Not as great a point as you thought it was.

Hamas Condemns Nazi imagery: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/hamas-to-protestors-stop-putting-up-swastikas-it-hurts-the-cause-597716

wes

FactsANDLogic wrote: »

Even named a store "Hitler 2" after the great man.

They have one in India:
Israeli anger at India clothing shop called Hitler


I guess Hamas is to blame for that as well.

Nothing in this article says Hamas setup the store:
'Name of shop is Hitler and I like him because he was the most anti Jewish person'

PeggyShippen

Akrasia wrote: »

Without the protection of the US, Israel is extremely vulnerable

Protection from 'the leaders of the free world' should come with strings attached,which should preclude war crimes, mass collective punishment of millions of people

Its more likely that the ethnic cleansing project will be completed than Israel voluntarily chooses to reform and, or that the US will act to force Israel to do so.And this is a very sad indication of the state of democracy in our world. Hundred of years after the British wiped out the indigenous people of Australia, and the US settlers wiped out the native americans, at a time when we pretend to be more enlightened and civilised, we're witnessing the Israelis wiping out the palestinian people and the people who could step in and stop it, are actively helping them to do it.

The Aboriginal people of Australia aren't 'wiped' out. They still live there. Its quiet ludicrous to say they don't. The same with the Natuve Americans. Why would you say such inflammatory falsehoods. The biggest killer of Native Americans was other Native Americans and disease. Your post is ludicrous

LMHC

Where is the ceasefire currently standing has it been breached yet