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    #3542
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    It’s sad to see a modern army or terror network like Hamas use women and children as human shields. God bless Israel may God have mercy on those who wish Israel harm.


    SCRIPTURES ABOUT
    BLESSING ISRAEL

    “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
    - Genesis 12:1-3

    Nothing about the I.D.F using children as human shields?


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    #3543
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Nothing about the I.D.F using children as human shields?

    If that has happened then I condemn it. You still haven’t condemned Hamas for using their OWN women and children as human shields.

    I wish no harm to Palestine or it's innocent people, but clearly Israel is protected by God, as He promises in the bible.


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    #3544
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    The Chinese lock up thousands of Muslims in reduction camps. Have you ever protested about them? Not trendy enough??

    Bob agree, but the Chinese aren't Jewish, in fact they are communists and the left don't like condemning Communism. At the end of the day much of this anti Israel hate is Anti-Semitism.


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    #3545
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Bob agree, but the Chinese aren't Jewish, in fact they are communists and the left don't like condemning Communism. At the end of the day much of this anti Israel hate is Anti-Semitism.

    That’s a cop out. Was condemning Apartheid Anti-Afrikanerism? One doesn’t have to be a fan of Hamas to see Israel’s annexationist and segregationist plans for the West Bank, the 1.1 state solution that our government is right to call out. The guy who may be leading Israel very soon has talked openly about them for years.


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    #3546
    guy2231
    Site Banned Posts: 339 ✭✭guy2231


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    If that has happened then I condemn it. You still haven’t condemned Hamas for using their OWN women and children as human shields.

    I wish no harm to Palestine or it's innocent people, but clearly Israel is protected by God, as He promises in the bible.

    Anyone else reading this?


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    #3547
    [Deleted User]
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    guy2231 wrote: »
    Anyone else reading this?

    I'm afraid to catch his eye.


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    #3548
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    If that has happened then I condemn it. You still haven’t condemned Hamas for using their OWN women and children as human shields.

    I wish no harm to Palestine or it's innocent people, but clearly Israel is protected by God, as He promises in the bible.

    Erm, yes I have.

    If "god" protects them then how did the Holocaust happen? Why do they need iron dome? Can "god" not protect themM


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    #3549
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Bob agree, but the Chinese aren't Jewish, in fact they are communists and the left don't like condemning Communism. At the end of the day much of this anti Israel hate is Anti-Semitism.

    Oh FSS.

    Where the hell do you people come from. :rolleyes:


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    #3550
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Erm, yes I have.

    If "god" protects them then how did the Holocaust happen? Why do they need iron dome? Can "god" not protect themM


    Who win World war 2 ? Did Hitler exterminate all the Jews or destroy Christianity ? The number of Israelis killed and wounded would be far higher if it had not been for the Iron Dome, would this be better ? Do you think God had no hand in helping Israel achieve this defense of it's people ?


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    #3551
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Ardillaun wrote: »
    That’s a cop out. Was condemning Apartheid Anti-Afrikanerism? One doesn’t have to be a fan of Hamas to see Israel’s annexationist and segregationist plans for the West Bank, the 1.1 state solution that our government is right to call out. The guy who may be leading Israel very soon has talked openly about them for years.

    If Hamas can fire thousands of Iranian sponsored rockets into Israel and be totally defended if Israel happens to target those sites firing the rockets, then yes, it is Anti-Semite, and no matter how you try do change the subject it won't wash.

    People who say Jews have no right to their own homeland and that any sponsored terror is justified, and condemn Israel for defending itself from this terror, are not compassionate towards their fellow man and ultimately children of God. If Hamas ceased to fire rockets, import artillery and instead act towards and talk peace for an extended period, peace would be forthcoming, and a key player in this peace would be America as they were in Northern Ireland under Clinton. PEACE is the answer, not rockets.


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    #3552
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    If Hamas can fire thousands of Iranian sponsored rockets into Israel and be totally defended if Israel happens to target those sites firing the rockets, then yes, it is Anti-Semite, and no matter how you try do change the subject it won't wash.

    People who say Jews have no right to their own homeland and that any sponsored terror is justified, and condemn Israel for defending itself from this terror, are not compassionate towards their fellow man and ultimately children of God. If Hamas ceased to fire rockets, import artillery and instead act towards and talk peace for an extended period, peace would be forthcoming, and a key player in this peace would be America as they were in Northern Ireland under Clinton. PEACE is the answer, not rockets.




    There are no rockets being fired from the West Bank or Arab East Jerusalem, yet the Israeli state still is expanding its colonies there.


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    #3553
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    If Hamas can fire thousands of Iranian sponsored rockets into Israel and be totally defended if Israel happens to target those sites firing the rockets, then yes, it is Anti-Semite, and no matter how you try do change the subject it won't wash.

    Blah blah blah


    But...with a little tweeking this makes for interesting reading
    who say Palestinians have no right to their own homeland and that any sponsored terror is justified, and condemn Hamas for defending itself from this terror, are not compassionate towards their fellow man and ultimately children of God. If israel ceased to fire rockets, import artillery and instead act towards and talk peace for an extended period, peace would be forthcoming, and a key player in this peace would be America as they were in Northern Ireland under Clinton. PEACE is the answer, not rockets.

    See how that works from the other side?


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    #3554
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,443 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    If Hamas can fire thousands of Iranian sponsored rockets into Israel and be totally defended if Israel happens to target those sites firing the rockets, then yes, it is Anti-Semite, and no matter how you try do change the subject it won't wash.

    People who say Jews have no right to their own homeland and that any sponsored terror is justified, and condemn Israel for defending itself from this terror, are not compassionate towards their fellow man and ultimately children of God. If Hamas ceased to fire rockets, import artillery and instead act towards and talk peace for an extended period, peace would be forthcoming, and a key player in this peace would be America as they were in Northern Ireland under Clinton. PEACE is the answer, not rockets.

    Thanks for the heads up I’ll look out for them and let you know if we see any. None so far here.


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    #3555
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Blah blah blah


    But...with a little tweeking this makes for interesting reading


    See how that works from the other side?

    No. The reason Obama sponsored the Iron Dome ALL DEFENCE SYSTEM is because Hamas continually fire rockets into civilian areas. Once this stops the dome system will be no longer needed and Israel can concentrate entirely on becoming the most advanced country in the world. Instead of having the most advanced defence systems in place to prevent it being attacked by Iranian sponsored rockets.

    There is a clear reason why Israel succeeds and Hamas keeps faltering and failing. You’ll find in life in the end, the good always triumph. Iran and Hamas etc can always say they will wipe Israel off the earth, but they will never succeed, as God looks after His own.


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    #3556
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    No. The reason Obama sponsored the Iron Dome ALL DEFENCE SYSTEM is because Hamas continually fire rockets into civilian areas. Once this stops the dome system will be no longer needed and Israel can concentrate entirely on becoming the most advanced country in the world. Instead of having the most advanced defence systems in place to prevent it being attacked by Iranian sponsored rockets.

    There is a clear reason why Israel succeeds and Hamas keeps faltering and failing. You’ll find in life in the end, the good always triumph.




    \What is your stance of the colonial constuction in the West Bank, the Golan and Arab East Jerusalem?


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    #3557
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Odhinn wrote: »
    \What is your stance of the colonial constuction in the West Bank, the Golan and Arab East Jerusalem?


    The US peace proposal says Israel can annex up to 30% of the West Bank so long as the U.S. and Israel agree on a map and Israel agrees to discuss exact borders with the Palestinians and other final points based on the plan. I think this is reasonable. Probable what will happen is the Palestinians will creat a war using the West Bank as a launch ground for rockets leaving Israel with no option but to invade.


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    #3558
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    The US peace proposal says Israel can annex up to 30% of the West Bank so long as the U.S. and Israel agree on a map and Israel agrees to discuss exact borders with the Palestinians and other final points based on the plan. I think this is reasonable. Probable what will happen is the Palestinians will creat a war using the West Bank as a launch ground for rockets leaving Israel with no option but to invade.


    Subduing an entire populace in order to grab land is not "reasonable".


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    #3559
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    No. The reason Obama sponsored the Iron Dome ALL DEFENCE SYSTEM is because Hamas continually fire rockets into civilian areas. Once this stops the dome system will be no longer needed and Israel can concentrate entirely on becoming the most advanced country in the world. Instead of having the most advanced defence systems in place to prevent it being attacked by Iranian sponsored rockets.

    There is a clear reason why Israel succeeds and Hamas keeps faltering and failing. You’ll find in life in the end, the good always triumph. Iran and Hamas etc can always say they will wipe Israel off the earth, but they will never succeed, as God looks after His own.

    Yeah, what makes you think they will achieve this? Most advanced how?


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    #3560
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yeah, what makes you think they will achieve this? Most advanced how?


    Most military and Science and technology barometers put Israel among the worlds elite. They spend more GDP on science and research in recent years than any county in the world and way more than their neighbours. Israel was ranked the world's fifth most innovative country by the Bloomberg Innovation Index. If you are unaware of how advanced Israel is, then it’s time to end this conversation. Goodbye.


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    #3561
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Most military and Science and technology barometers put Israel among the worlds elite. They spend more GDP on science and research in recent years than any county in the world and way more than their neighbours. Israel was ranked the world's fifth most innovative country by the Bloomberg Innovation Index. If you are unaware of how advanced Israel is, then it’s time to end this conversation. Goodbye.

    Oh I'm aware of how advanced they are, I'm asking why you think they will become "the most advanced country in the world"?


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    #3562
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,053 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Most military and Science and technology barometers put Israel among the worlds elite. They spend more GDP on science and research in recent years than any county in the world and way more than their neighbours. Israel was ranked the world's fifth most innovative country by the Bloomberg Innovation Index. If you are unaware of how advanced Israel is, then it’s time to end this conversation. Goodbye.

    Agreed

    We could learn a thing or two


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    #3563
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    First hand evidence of collusion between the IDF and settlers:
    https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1401216697378484225?s=20

    The young Woman who took the above footage has now been arrested:
    https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1401488061524070405?s=20

    and they want her brother (who posted the above video) as well:
    https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1401493825881886720?s=20

    Ethnic cleansing happening live on social media and the West is not only not doing anything about it, but is actively aiding and abetting.


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    #3564
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Looks like Muna Al Kurd has been released, but looks like her Brother is still in custody.

    Again, the IDF is doing this, as these 2 siblings exposed their ethnic cleansing to the world, and are now trying to harass them and bully them to stop exposing what the state of Israel is doing to Palestinians.

    How any decent person can support this is beyond me, but we see widespread support for Israel's ethnic cleansing among Western governments.

    Also, to note, their is suppose to be a "cease" fire, but the IDF is still engaged in ethnic cleansing with settlers.


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    #3565
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Al Jazeera journalist was arrested while reporting in occupied East Jerusalem.



    On a more positive note last week in response to Ireland passing the motion that israel is carrying out defacto annexations the Palestinians raised the tricolour



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    #3566
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    wes wrote: »
    First hand evidence of collusion between the IDF and settlers:
    ........


    It's systematic and on-going

    https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates


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    #3567
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Subduing an entire populace in order to grab land is not "reasonable".

    Hamas often fires rockets at Israel from within residential areas in the West Bank and operates command posts in apartment blocks. The practice effectively uses civilians as human shields. Hamas has been secretly digging underground tunnels to smuggle arms into the enclave, chiefly from Egypt.

    Israel has expanded the fishing perimeter in the Mediterranean, granted thousands of work permits, and improved access to telecom technology. What has Hamas done? Rebuilt its terror tunnel
    network. Hamas builds--and periodically
    fire rockets and missiles into Israel, terrorizing innocent people, forcing them to run for their lives to the nearest shelter.

    So yes, when Hamas lose the West Bank it will be their own fault. In the end Islamic terror will be defeated and the good shall prevail as they are trying to build and stabilise the region while Hamas are hell bent on destroying every Israeli that moves.


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    #3568
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Hamas often fires rockets at Israel from within residential areas in the West Bank................




    No, Hamas are based in Gaza. You might want to do a bit of research.


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    #3569
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Odhinn wrote: »
    No, Hamas are based in Gaza. You might want to do a bit of research.

    Hamas has both an internal leadership within the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and an external leadership, split between a Gaza group directed by Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook from his exile first in Damascus and then in Egypt, and a Kuwaiti group (Kuwaidia) under Khaled Mashal.


    Between 11 and 25 June, authorities in Gaza arbitrarily arrested more than 50 Fatah-affiliated activists in relation to their plans to organize demonstrations to mark the 14th anniversary of the in-fighting between Fatah and Hamas. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights reported that most of the activists said they were tortured, this happens both ways, as Hamas have networks in the West bank too, altho the rockets were fired from Gaza, does it make it okay that the rockets were fired by Hamas in Gaza ? In the end Hamas will be defeated and all networks will cease to exist.


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    #3570
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Hamas has both an internal leadership within the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and an external leadership, split between a Gaza group directed by Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook from his exile first in Damascus and then in Egypt, and a Kuwaiti group (Kuwaidia) under Khaled Mashal.


    Between 11 and 25 June, authorities in Gaza arbitrarily arrested more than 50 Fatah-affiliated activists in relation to their plans to organize demonstrations to mark the 14th anniversary of the in-fighting between Fatah and Hamas. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights reported that most of the activists said they were tortured, this happens both ways, as Hamas have networks in the West bank too, altho the rockets were fired from Gaza, does it make it okay that the rockets were fired by Hamas in Gaza ? In the end Hamas will be defeated and all networks will cease to exist.


    You are making it up as you go along, you haven't a clue. One minute you say Hamas are firing rockets from the West bank next you. are saying they are not. Make your mind up.


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    #3571
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    You are making it up as you go along, you haven't a clue. One minute you say Hamas are firing rockets from the West bank next you. are saying they are not. Make your mind up.

    Are you saying it’s okay, for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel civilian area’s from their own territory ? Like it was okay for the IRA to blow up Lord Mountbatten and his family and aids just because it was on Irish soil ?


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