Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

TomSweeney

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Israel are a warped nation, the jews were among the most persecuted people in history and instead of learning compassion from what they endured they turned into monster themselves, hell bent on destroying the Palestinians.

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

Overheal

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

Uh huh:

“[T]he only response that you’ve seen from Israel is in response to these attacks, and they live in a very tough neighborhood and they’ve made abundantly clear if you hit us, we’re going to hit you back five times harder” - Sen. Rubio

namloc1980

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

What about the rights of the Palestinians under their rule? Millions of people displaced from their homes and squeezed into ghettos in Gaza and the West Bank. Does Israel destroying homes and evicting Palestinians constitute self-defence in your view?

Timberrrrrrrr

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

Do you believe the British would have been within thier rights to fling missiles at Belfast or Derry after the Birmingham bombings or Canary wharf?

batman75

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

They may not want to destroy Palestinians but they are working an apartheid system within Israel for Arabs who live there.
Israel has by stealth taken over more and more of the west bank displacing native Palestinians from there home.
Israel gives Jews a right to come to Israel to live. Yet Arabs who are living in the West Bank are simply bulldozed out of the way to make way for Jewish homes.

So you can stick your Mossad tweet where the sun don't shine.

Housefree

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.


https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392776316135645185?s=20

That just means they are precisely killing all the innocent children that they hit

18 children, have been killed since the Israeli offensive began late on Monday. More than 530 others have been wounded.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/13/israel-bombs-high-rise-buildings-as-gaza-marks-deadly-eid-live

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Israels Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid

'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'

https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

Palestinians live under constant human rights abuses
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them
https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

cnocbui

TomSweeney wrote: »

Israel has the right to defend it's citizens.
If they were "hell bent on destroying Palestinians" they would have long done so.

Palesitine has the right to defend it's citizens when they are attacked...

... whoops, my bad! I just checked and there isn't a Palestine so obviously they have no rights. Sorry, keep killing them, if they weren't so useless they would have their own country by now which would give them rights. Stupid people, you'd think they would see sense.

Eight-month-old Leila Anwar Ghandoor died in hospital on Tuesday morning, taking Monday’s toll to 58 killed. Another 57 people died after being shot by Israeli troops and 2,700 were injured, many shot in the legs. Medics and journalists were among the injured in what the Palestinian Authority condemned as a "massacre".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-protests-palestinian-baby-dead-tear-gas-israel-soldiers-jerusalem-border-us-embassy-a8351971.html

You will be relieved to know that Israel killed 58 unarmed people in self defense and no innocent Israelies were harmed.

Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child

https://www.theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745

Overheal

As Biden held a White House press conference on Thursday on the fallout of the Colonial Pipeline hack, he was asked if he thinks Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has done enough to de-escalate the violent situation unfolding in Gaza. The president said “I had a brief conversation with him yesterday,” and that the intelligence community and the Defense and State departments “have been in contact with all their counterparts not only in Israel but in the region.”

“One of the things I’ve seen thus far is there has not been a significant overreaction,” Biden said. “The question is how do we get to a point where there is a significant reduction in the attacks, particularly the rocket attacks that are indiscriminately fired into population centers. I expect I’ll be having more discussions…It’s a work in progress right now.”

https://www.mediaite.com/biden/biden-addresses-israel-and-palestinian-conflict-in-gaza-israeli-action-has-not-been-a-significant-overreaction/

He's useless on this topic.

igCorcaigh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are the one who claimed these ideas were abstract. If so then abstract ideas should be easy to change.

1) you are now all Irish.
2) ok.

Except that never works. By the way it isn’t just a matter of living together. Unionists cannot exist in a United ireland except as separatists. To unite the country unionists have to stop being unionists. They can stay Protestant or primarily British but if they remain unionists they have to reject a United ireland because that’s what unionism means. Alternatively they have to abandon unionism. That’s not a halfway house. That’s why a United Ireland is folly.

Identity isn't an abstraction, that's not what I said.
But it's something that doesn't have to tie us; we are not slaves to it.

Also, identity isn't someone defines for themselves, it can be something forced on people too.

I had a conversation with someone from Belfast; he's an atheist, but he will be recognised as Catholic by others, so has to be perceived as that in that environment.
Same in the Israel, or anywhere.

Cultural and other forms of identity are a source of a rich heritage; but they can also divide humanity.
I'm trying to find a way of them bringing us together, rather than driving us apart.

Witcher

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745

You're aware the Onion isn't actually a news site right?

cnocbui

Witcher wrote: »

You're aware the Onion isn't actually a news site right?

Yes, that's why I supplied a quote and link above to the actual incident the Onion was likely parodying.

igCorcaigh

The scene of rocket launces and interceptions against the background of the call to prayer on the live stream is, something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6manJAzco

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

Ah yes, so by that logic Constantinople should be returned to the Christians
And all of the Americas to the various tribal religions too, since they came first?

Or what about bronze age religions? Shur they predate us all, whoever follows those religions deserves ALL of the land :rolleyes:

Not at all.

In fact, you and others are proving my point.

It wouldn't be legitimate to go back to Judea and Samaria thousands of years ago. Neither is it right to start the clock at 1948-49.

Better to accept what is happening now. That Israel, a sovereign state, is being persecuted by radical Islamic terrorists who would move Mountain and Earth to commit a 21st-century Holocaust.

Housefree

Fixed it for ya

eskimohunt wrote: »

Better to accept what is happening now. That Israel, is an sovereign apartheid state

Human Rights Watch: Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Israels Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid as well

'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'

https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

Not at all.

In fact, you and others are proving my point.

It wouldn't be legitimate to go back to Judea and Samaria thousands of years ago. Neither is it right to start the clock at 1948-49.

Better to accept what is happening now. That Israel, a sovereign state, is being persecuted by radical Islamic terrorists who would move Mountain and Earth to commit a 21st-century Holocaust.

Grand let's start now. What is your view of the millions of Palestinians squeezed into ghettos in the West Bank and Gaza, under Israeli military rule, who have been systemically removed from their homes and land and replaced by Jewish settlers?

Odhinn

eskimohunt wrote: »

Not at all.

In fact, you and others are proving my point.

It wouldn't be legitimate to go back to Judea and Samaria thousands of years ago. Neither is it right to start the clock at 1948-49.

Better to accept what is happening now. That Israel, a sovereign state, is being persecuted by radical Islamic terrorists who would move Mountain and Earth to commit a 21st-century Holocaust.

The facts are that Israel began colonising outside its borders well over a decade before the foundation of Hamas. Secondly the largest palestinian group - the PLO - are not "radical Islamic terrorists".


Why do you support the colonisation of the occupied territories?

Signore Fancy Pants

Rockets from southern Lebanon to Israel now at play.

Hamsterchops

Alan Shatter have a very compelling account on 'The Last Word' of what's happening over there. Obviously his views are diametrically opposed to the other guest, John Brady of Sinn Fein.

Overheal

Newsmax trying to invoke Dual Loyalty to call out Jewish Americans who support Biden allegedly not doing enough to defend Israel :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1392841953021095940?s=20

The crowd talks about "fighting for freedom and not for terrorists" - seemingly oblivious to the violence in Israel on the ground. Newsmax argues what Israel is doing brought stability, ffs.

Sean.3516

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yet another escalation in this ongoing conflict. There seems little prospect of peace or compromise.
Will Israel continue to enjoy the full support of the US and other western governments?

No, the Biden Administration will be going back to the old Obama view of Israeli-Arab relations as a "cycle of violence" and "blame on both sides". Utter nonsense.

This started because the PA leader Mahmoud Abbas was afraid of losing Palestine's first election since 2006 so he cancelled it so he could drum up support among his people by killing some Jews.

Fortunately Israel doesn't need the support of the senile geriatric in the White House to trounce these terrorists.

J Mysterio

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Alan Shatter have a very compelling account on 'The Last Word' of what's happening over there. Obviously his views are diametrically opposed to the other guest, John Brady of Sinn Fein.

Shatter fully supports the Israeli government. He's completely wrong. To think he was justice minister. Just as bad as Charlie Flanagan.

Sean.3516

fvp4 wrote: »

The responsibility is still with the attacker.

This all started with attacks on the mosques.

No it didn't. People in the mosque were pegging stones at Israeli motorists and when the police showed up to shut them down, they claimed it was an attack.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-stone-israeli-car-which-crashes-jerusalem-seethes-2021-05-10/

Let's assume for a second that you're correct. Israel attacked the mosques. Even though the Al-Aqsa mosque at the Temple Mount is practically a no-go area for Jews. If Jews are spotted muttering prayers under their breath at the holiest site in Judaism, they get swarmed and shouted at by Arabs.

Let's say Israel did "attack" the mosque, do you actually think that justifies firing hundreds of rockets at civilian population centres?

Shebean

eskimohunt wrote: »

Palestine never existed as a sovereign state.

It was land occupied by two peoples under the British mandate.

People have a habit of eating, living and breeding without it being by appointment of her majesty or some other outside irrelevant self appointed 'authority'.


Israel needs to stop the aggression, stop stealing land and be decent.

Shebean

eskimohunt wrote: »

Which is exactly what I've said in my previous two posts.

• Palestinians are not an ethnic group, but are part of the wider Arab population.
• That we are dealing with Islamic fanatics - and a wider population who votes these anti-democratic fanatics into power.

Muslims and Jews are both sons/daughters of Abraham.
Both have roots in the region.
Palestine has as much a right to exist as Israel.
You can't 'vote' for anti-democracy. Israel supports inequality in it's 'democracy' based on religion.

Israel needs to stop evicting people from their homes and taking it for settlers.

Shebean

Shebean wrote: »

Muslims and Jews are both sons/daughters of Abraham.
Both have roots in the region.
Palestine has as much a right to exist as Israel.
You can't 'vote' for anti-democracy. Israel supports inequality in it's 'democracy' based on religion.

Israel needs to stop evicting people from their homes and taking it for settlers.

As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs and Jewish people fought a war in 1948-49, after the Arabs rejected partition. It was the Arabs who were greedy, and wanted everything. They caused the war, and lost.

So, they lose the land. That's how wars work. You not only lose the war, you lose the peace terms.

Since then, the Arabs are calling for the very partition that they comprehensively rejected in 1948-49.

Their constant support for war and Hamas and other ISIS-type organizations, for me, makes their claim to the land null and void.

I personally hope that Israel takes all the land, or as much as possible, from these Jihadist terrorists.

The more these terrorists fire rockets into Israel, don't be surprised when the lion reacts.

Sean.3516

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Do you believe the British would have been within thier rights to fling missiles at Belfast or Derry after the Birmingham bombings or Canary wharf?

You're acting as though the Israeli strikes are indiscriminate. They're precision strikes on buildings being used by terrorists. The IDF is literally phoning the residents to tell them to get out with two hours notice in some cases and they're using "knock" missiles first designed to shake up the building but leave it intact so that people can get out before it's levelled. Israeli citizens get as little as 30 seconds warning about Palestinian rockets.
The Palestine rockets are completely indiscriminate. Hell, 400 of them misfired and fell down on their own people.

"Oh but Israel is protected by its Iron Dome defence system. Palestine has no Iron Dome."

The Iron Dome is 90% effective. 10% of the rockets land in Israel and the more rockets Hamas and Hezbollah fire, the bigger that 10% is in absolute terms. Israel has to strike back.

Oh and Palestine does have a missile defence system. It's called "Don't fire rockets at Israel."

Mimon

eskimohunt wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs and Jewish people fought a war in 1948-49, after the Arabs rejected partition. It was the Arabs who were greedy, and wanted everything. They caused the war, and lost.

So, they lose the land. That's how wars work. You not only lose the war, you lose the peace terms.

Since then, the Arabs are calling for the very partition that they comprehensively rejected in 1948-49.

Their constant support for war and Hamas and other ISIS-type organizations, for me, makes their claim to the land null and void.

I personally hope that Israel takes all the land, or as much as possible, from these Jihadist terrorists.

The more these terrorists fire rockets into Israel, don't be surprised when the lion reacts.

Seriously deluded BS here. Straight from the fascist playbook - trying to dehumanise others in this case Palestinians by calling them all terrorists. Sick as fk.

Also trying to justify ethnic cleansing. Are you some sort of Sociopath?

Mimon

Mimon wrote: »

Seriously deluded BS here.

Ad hominem is all you have? :rolleyes:

jam_mac_jam

In fairness I have to agree they need to stop the rockets. I feel so sorry for those people, Hamas doesn't give a **** about them. They are pissing in the wind with the rockets.

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs and Jewish people fought a war in 1948-49, after the Arabs rejected partition. It was the Arabs who were greedy, and wanted everything. They caused the war, and lost.

So, they lose the land. That's how wars work. You not only lose the war, you lose the peace terms.

Since then, the Arabs are calling for the very partition that they comprehensively rejected in 1948-49.

Their constant support for war and Hamas and other ISIS-type organizations, for me, makes their claim to the land null and void.

I personally hope that Israel takes all the land, or as much as possible, from these Jihadist terrorists.

The more these terrorists fire rockets into Israel, don't be surprised when the lion reacts.

Not for the first time you've got the compete wrong end of the stick there. Good man.

In 1880 there were only 25,000 Jews living in the area of modern day Palestine and Israel. The Zionist movement encouraged European Jews to move to Palestine. From the Arab point of view a load of white Europeans with no link to the area (other than a biblical claim) were demanding that they get out of there homes and land and hand them over to jews. Would you have handed it all over? Why do you think they should have?