Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

timmyntc

eskimohunt wrote: »

Hamas is a terrorist organization; a death cult that yearns for the extermination of the Jewish people.

That ideology is incompatible with "peace" on any terms, at any time.

The idea that Hamas can "co-operate" with Israel is arrant poppycock. It's a contradiction in terms. Hamas exists to not co-operate. That's their raison d'etre.

You condemn Israel for responding militarily against this reprobate organization, yet say nothing about what I describe above, nor the Articles in the Hamas constitution that openly state that they are a genocidal organization.

Would you want to break bread with people who want to exterminate you?

I think not. And Israel is reacting accordingly - and proportionally. As with all wars, there will be civilian casualties. That's the nature of war.

But whilst we're on the topic of war, do remember what I mentioned above: that Hamas exist for war with Israel as the status quo. And as long as that remains the case, Israel will defend itself and should defend itself against such a necrotic threat.

Loyalists in NI openly spoke of wanting to exterminate Taigs and basically their goal for a "British" ethnostate. We broke bread with them, and they with us.

As for "the nature of war" - most civilized peoples obey the Geneva convention and other modern principles about warfare. Indiscriminately targetting civilians is a warcrime. 1/4 of all those dead in this current bout of violence are Palestinian children. Would you think that thats ok? Just collateral damage shur

What Israel is doing goes way beyond "defence". Its laughable that you'd try to equate it as such

thomas 123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not sure what you've been reading, but that conclusion you've drawn does not follow logically from any of the points I made.

“Israel is reacting accordingly”

Like the brits did on Bloody Sunday yeah?

You sir are deluded.

wes

timmyntc wrote: »

What Israel is doing goes way beyond "defence".

For the apologists for war crimes on here, they choose to ignore the fact that Israel is the aggressor, so regardless of a right to self defense by definition they can't be engaged in self defense, and even if they were not the aggressor, self defense does not give you unlimited right to do whatever you want, as we know Israel deliberately targets civilians, another well established fact apologists ignore.

partyguinness

Bullies only pick on the weak.

Overheal

ypres5 wrote: »

Thank God there's absolutely no persecution of non Muslims in the Arab world then...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/02/persecution-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report&ved=2ahUKEwjU7Kfv1cjwAhXWTBUIHV4ZChEQFjAKegQIHhAC&usg=AOvVaw31VfDwSHusFs9Tv_GCVV5R&ampcf=1

Relevance to the Israel-Palestine conflict?

Deflection.

Do human rights abuses in other parts of the world justify what Israel is doing right now? Excuse it? Or doesn’t that just make it worse, that you can demonstrate knowledge of right and wrong?

Fandymo

Northernlily wrote: »

Encouraged by a poster suggestion and pushed by some grim twitter images, I have emailed my 4 local TDs to call for the expulsion of the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland. Feel free to copy the main body of the text and send to your TDs. It only takes a minute to send an email.

**Text**

As a constituent, I would like you to respectfully call for the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador to Ireland.

The grounds for this is the atrocities currently being committed by Israel and its reprehensible behaviour over many decades towards the Palestinian People

We were oppressed on this island for a many hundreds of years and I feel such a move to expel the ambassador in that context would be making an important statement on global scale. There are too many western powers remaining silent on the issue.

As you know previously, diplomatic relations have been not fantastic between Israel and Ireland so there is not a huge amount to lose however there is lot to gain on taking this stance. Hopefully other countries will be encouraged to follow suit.

I took yours and added to it a bit.

Hi there,

As a constituent, I would like you to respectfully call for the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador to Ireland.

The grounds for this is the atrocities currently being committed by Israel and its reprehensible behaviour over many decades towards the Palestinian People and its constant breaches of International Law, as per the UN, and vetoed constantly by the USA. Israel also refuse to recognise the ICC investigation into its war crimes. We should not be seen to stand by as one country tries to eradicate the people of another.

We were oppressed on this island for a many hundreds of years and I feel such a move to expel the ambassador in that context would be making an important statement on global scale. There are too many western powers remaining silent on the issue. Ireland should become a leader on this. Others will follow.

As you know, previously, diplomatic relations have been not fantastic between Israel and Ireland so there is not a huge amount to lose however there is lot to gain on taking this stance. Hopefully other countries will be encouraged to follow suit.

For anyone who would say that there are two sides in it, I would ask if you felt the same way in the 80’s when some British people may have thought all Irish citizens were members of the IRA?

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” - Desmond Tutu.

Let Ireland be seen to be on the right side of history.

Yours,

Nermal

partyguinness wrote: »

Israel only exists to act as a counter balance in the Middle East to protect Western interests.

It exists because the Jewish people made it their home.

Thousands of years of history has proven to them, repeatedly, that they will never be completely safe in any nation where they are a minority.

Even in the home they have made, they face proven existential threat, and likely will do so forever. Comprehend their posture and actions in that context.

partyguinness wrote: »

Although personally I doubt Israel will see its 100 year anniversary.

It will, and many more thereafter.

thomas 123

Housefree wrote: »

Daily existence in apartheid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Gpjh2VXI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xDauzegh_Q

Human Rights Watch
Israel Apartheid State
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution

Both shocking but daily occurances.

Interesting to see in the second video they gathered up the tin from the roof and took it away the dirty bastards.

livia21

Coalition talks to form a goverment in Israel have fallen apart.There was no way an Arab party would have taken part with what is happening in Gaza.

So mission accompished for Bibi..Another election,his corrupton case put on long finger all at cost of innocent civillians life's..He will most likely carry on with ethnic cleansing to try and get 5th time lucky in next election.Evil b*****d

thomas 123

Nermal wrote: »

It exists because the Jewish people made it their home.

Thousands of years of history has proven to them, repeatedly, that they will never be completely safe in any nation where they are a minority.

Even in the home they have made, they face proven existential threat, and likely will do so forever. Comprehend their posture and actions in that context.



It will, and many more thereafter.

Why does Israel continue to seize land ? It was given loads of land, and the best of it, why still in 2021 are they demolishing houses and planting settlers?

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The vast majority of Palestinians voted for Hamas.

Hand-in-glove between the two.

That's the equivalent of a Muslim-majority country voting for ISIS or Al Qaeda.

Hamas has 74 seats in government of 132. Just 56% of the body.

“Vast majority?”

Mimon

Fandymo wrote: »

NOT. ALL. PALESTINIANS. ARE. IN. HAMAS.

Same as not every Irish person was in the IRA.

Just ignore him. He is a right wing fantasist.

Mimon

Nermal wrote: »

It exists because the Jewish people made it their home.

Thousands of years of history has proven to them, repeatedly, that they will never be completely safe in any nation where they are a minority.

Even in the home they have made, they face proven existential threat, and likely will do so forever. Comprehend their posture and actions in that context.



It will, and many more thereafter.

Can someone post the video of the fat fk from New York who has taken over half a Palestinian house in Jerusalem please.

The only existential threat that thief is facing is having a heart attack from being a slob.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Hamas has 74 seats in government of 132. Just 56% of the body.

“Vast majority?”

Electorally speaking, the fact that 56% of citizens voted for openly supporting a genocidal organization is absolutely horrific.

partyguinness

Nermal wrote: »

It exists because the Jewish people made it their home.

It exists today only because of decades of outside intervention and help. So what about the people they displaced when they made it their "home" based on spurious religious grounds?

Any comment?

Nermal wrote: »

Even in the home they have made, they face proven existential threat, and likely will do so forever. Comprehend their posture and actions in that context.

...so that gives them a blank cheque to **** all over everyone else? Why do they face a proven existential threat?

Nermal wrote: »

It will, and many more thereafter.

Perhaps, only time will tell.

History also shows that oppressive military and apartheid states rarely last very long- unsustainable.

J Mysterio

Housefree wrote: »

Daily existence in apartheid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Gpjh2VXI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xDauzegh_Q

Human Rights Watch
Israel Apartheid State
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution

The comments on those videos would boil your blood.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Electorally speaking, the fact that 56% of citizens voted for openly supporting a genocidal organization is absolutely horrific.

So the justification for genocide against Palestinians is that Hamas used to have an extremist charter? **** the 44% of Palestinians that aren’t Hamas right?

Mimon

partyguinness wrote: »

It exists today only because of decades of outside intervention and help. So what about the people they displaced when they made it their "home" based on spurious religious grounds?

Any comment?



...so that gives them a blank cheque to **** all over everyone else? Why do they face a proven existential threat?



Perhaps, only time will tell.

History also shows that oppressive military and apartheid states rarely last very long- unsustainable.

Apartheid supporters of course value the "chosen people's" lives over other peoples. When it comes down to it if you support Israel's Apartheid system you are a racist and you have somehow dehumaised the Palestinians. Very fascist way of thinking.

KeepItLight

Nermal wrote: »

Even in the home they have made, they face proven existential threat, and likely will do so forever. Comprehend their posture and actions in that context.

Why are all these people mad at us for stealing their land and murdering their children? It must be anti-semitism.

KeepItLight

Overheal wrote: »

So the justification for genocide against Palestinians is that Hamas used to have an extremist charter? **** the 44% of Palestinians that aren’t Hamas right?

Hamas exists in the first place to defend against Israel's murderous agenda.

It's the equivalent of saying a bullied kid should be killed if he dares to try defending himself.

wes

Overheal wrote: »

So the justification for genocide against Palestinians is that Hamas used to have an extremist charter? **** the 44% of Palestinians that aren’t Hamas right?

It is rather ironic for people who try that avenue, seeing as every single Israeli government since 1967 has expanded settlements. The exact same twisted logic can be used vis a vi Israel.

Also, look at the current far right governments in Israel, and the current racist nation state law. Amazing how the fact that Israel is an Ethno state does not exercises the apologists on here.

cnocbui

wes wrote: »

For the apologists for war crimes on here, they choose to ignore the fact that Israel is the aggressor, so regardless of a right to self defense by definition they can't be engaged in self defense, and even if they were not the aggressor, self defense does not give you unlimited right to do whatever you want, as we know Israel deliberately targets civilians, another well established fact apologists ignore.

Israel has spent 70 years oppressing the palestinians and treating them like the aliens in the film District 9. It has created conditions that seem deliberatly designed to encourage violence. Hamas only exists because Israel created the conditions that lead to it.

Furthermore, Israel has gone to every effort to avoid a permanent solution to the problem and has never been an honest participant in peace talks aimed at bringing about a two state solution.

Ariel Sharon’s chief adviser, Dov Weisglass, has admitted publicly that the Israeli prime minister formulated his plan for “unilateral withdrawal” in order to block peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority and thus keep the majority of Jewish settlers in the West Bank—and that he did so with the full backing of the Bush administration.

Dov Weisglass should know. He is one of the architects of Sharon’s plan and heads Israel’s negotiations with the White House. He told Ha’aretz Friday Magazine in an interview that has been published in part, “The significance of the plan is the freezing of the peace process.

“It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2004/10/isr-o09.html

partyguinness

Mimon wrote: »

Apartheid supporters of course value the "chosen people's" lives over other peoples. When it comes down to it if you support Israel's Apartheid system you are a racist and you have somehow dehumaised the Palestinians. Very fascist way of thinking.

Israel is a fascist apartheid State that is intent on every level on forcibily removing non Jews and land grabbing. It has not only sowed the seeds of it own ultimate destruction but actively cultivates it, but of course it has no choice but to keep going.

Just like apartheid South Africa in the 70s and 80s, Israel does not give a **** what the rest of the world thinks.

wes

cnocbui wrote: »

Israel has spent 70 years oppressing the palestinians and treating them like the aliens in the film District 9. It has created conditions that seem deliberatly designed to encourage violence.

Furthermore, Israel has gone to every effort to avoid a permanent solution to the problem and has never been an honest participant in peace talks aimed at bringing about a two state solution.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2004/10/isr-o09.html

A 100% true, we keep hearing about "great deals" being offered, but the people making that claim are Americans or Israelis and they actually think we are all that stupid to believe them.

Strumms

partyguinness wrote: »

Israel is a fascist apartheid State that is intent on every level on forcibily removing non Jews and land grabbing. It not only sowed the seeds of it own destruction but actively cultivates it but of course it has no choice but to keep going.

Just like apartheid South Africa in the 70s and 80s, Israel does not give a **** what the rest of the world thinks.

And has America in its back pocket all the while doing it.

partyguinness

Strumms wrote: »

And has America in its back pocket all the while doing it.

...keeps those lucrative orders for the US war industry rolling in while Israel acts as a buffer to keep those pesky oil rich Arab States in check.

eurasian

This is new Holocaust.

seamus

cnocbui wrote: »

Israel has spent 70 years oppressing the palestinians and treating them like the aliens in the film District 9. It has created conditions that seem deliberatly designed to encourage violence. Hamas only exists because Israel created the conditions that lead to it.

Furthermore, Israel has gone to every effort to avoid a permanent solution to the problem and has never been an honest participant in peace talks aimed at bringing about a two state solution.

Of course, because having a barbarian banging at your gates means your population remain terrified enough to let you write blank cheques on military spending. The US pours money in, Israel spends it all on weapons built by US manufacturers, the Israeli politicians take millions of dollars in kickbacks and the whole scam gets to keep going.

Let a few Israelis die every now and again, brutalise the Palestinians for a few weeks to make them angrier, then pull out.

Rinse and repeat, keep writing those blank cheques.

livia21

Mimon wrote: »

Can someone post the video of the fat fk from New York who has taken over half a Palestinian house in Jerusalem please.

The only existential threat that thief is facing is having a heart attack from being a slob.

Watched a great Louis Theroux doc a few years back about the illegal sttlements.This estate agent from Australia who had only emigrated to Israel a year before was showing Jewish families around this palestinian family's home.One couple "viewing" this families home had only moved to Israel months beforehand from US.The Palestinian family were sitting down to eat..had lived there for generations and these people just walked in and wondered around .no shame whatsoever.American husband told Australian estate agent they would need the property ASAP as wife was pregnant..When Louis asked what would happen to the Palestinian family estate agent shrugs his shoulders..

John Wise

The Israelis want an Israel where only Jews reside, this is the bottom line. The palestinians are an inconvenience. Any non-Jews must be removed by any means. This is their ultimate goal on the basis it is the promised land to them. Well if it was promised, you would not have to murder or steal to get it.
Israelis Jews have very short memories; they are doing exactly what the Nazis were doing to them.