Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Strumms

livia21 wrote: »

Watched a great Louis Theroux doc a few years back about the illegal sttlements.This estate agent from Australia who had only emigrated to Israel a year before was showing Jewish families around this palestinian family's home.One couple "viewing" this families home had only moved to Israel months beforehand from US.The Palestinian family were sitting down to eat..had lived there for generations and these people just walked in and wondered around .no shame whatsoever.American husband told Australian estate agent they would need the property ASAP as wife was pregnant..When Louis asked what would happen to the Palestinian family estate agent shrugs his shoulders..

Imagine that mindset...

Loads of media reports too and photos of Israeli soldiers physically assaulting and abusing Palestinian kids





https://www.commondreams.org/news/2012/08/27/what-our-society-made-former-idf-soldiers-confess-abuse-palestinian-children

partyguinness

John Wise wrote: »

The Israelis want an Israel where only Jews reside, this is the bottom line. The palestinians are an inconvenience. Any non-Jews must be removed by any means. This is their ultimate goal on the basis it is the promised land to them. Well if it was promised, you would not have to murder or steal to get it.

Not only that, but they only want a certain type of Jew.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32813056

Not all Jews are equal when it comes to skin colour and origin it seems.

Fandymo

jmreire wrote: »

In real life, when warned, you grab the baby and run literally for your life. If you get 2 hours notice, you grab some essentials and run, Under no circumstance's do you delay, especially when it comes from a source that is known for following up on their declarations. There are lots of warring actions in the world where the only warning is when the first rocket / mortar / shell lands. And this generally is only the first one of a barrage.

In real life, bombing civilian buildings is a war crime. Warning or no warning.

Fandymo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Electorally speaking, the fact that 56% of citizens voted for openly supporting a genocidal organization is absolutely horrific.

Electorally speaking, was it a free and fair election??

namloc1980

In the last 24 hours Israel has killed more civilians with air strikes than Hamas has done in the last 20 years with their rocket attacks. BuT It'S PrOpOrTiOnAl aNd HaMaS ArE tErRoRiStS say the apologists. Disgusting.

Fandymo

Israel’s continued stealing of Palestinian land seems eerily like Lebensraum, and the Gaza and the West Bank are eerily like ghettoes. We know what comes next. IDF are the Nazis of today, “only following orders”.

PeggyShippen

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

seamus

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism.

I think I went to school with him.

So yeah, leave Anto alone!

Fandymo

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

The Israelis are just bombing and shooting them, so that’s grand. Snazzy T-Shirts that IDF soldiers have been seen wearing. 1 shot 2 kills, with the belly of a pregnant Muslim woman being targeted. That’s who you are defending. Shame on you.

thomas 123

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

Lebansraum came first...

But hey let’s cherry pick the history to progress the argument.

KeepItLight

When people point out Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3nu6ue2qU

cnocbui

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

The infant mortality rate in the west bank and gaza is 16 deaths per 1000 live births. In Israel it's 3. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=PS-IL&most_recent_value_desc=true

o1s1n

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

You seem to be more offended by people's use of language than the idea of the IDF raining down death on people.

moceri

thomas 123 wrote: »

Why does Israel continue to seize land ? It was given loads of land, and the best of it, why still in 2021 are they demolishing houses and planting settlers?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/judaising-east-jerusalem-to-deny-dream-of-palestinians-1.1172430

Deputy mayor of Jerusalem, Arieh King:

"The sweetest part of an onion is its heart," he says, which in the case of East Jerusalem is its historic Old City, home to Judaism's holiest site, the Temple Mount. "We need to put as many layers around the heart like an onion and the way to do that is to build rings of Jewish neighbourhoods and to eventually connect each layer to the other." King has been working since 1997 with an American millionaire financier to snap up Arab properties in East Jerusalem."

Lmkrnr

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

The current Jewish regime get no sympathy from me. Hitler and the current regime are both guilty of the same thing.

Genocide then, Genocide now.

Nermal

RopeADope wrote: »

Agreed. Some of the stuff is absolutely disgraceful.

Ireland seems to be a deep reservoir of this stuff.

Historically illiterate parallels between our conflict and theirs, along with one-sided media, have strengthened antisemitic feeling that was already well-established.

In another thread in this forum, they're getting the blame for the HSE ransomware attack.

moceri

Excellent Radio interview by Stephen Sackur, BBC, with Israels Ambassador to the UK, Tzipi Hotovely. Not afraid to ask hard questions, despite the deflection and obfuscation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct1n14

ypres5

John Wise wrote: »

The Israelis want an Israel where only Jews reside, this is the bottom line. The palestinians are an inconvenience. Any non-Jews must be removed by any means. This is their ultimate goal on the basis it is the promised land to them. Well if it was promised, you would not have to murder or steal to get it.
Israelis Jews have very short memories; they are doing exactly what the Nazis were doing to them.

Completely ignorant of the fact israels population is 20% non Jewish your logic crumbles like a wet cake. Also palestine's population has grown from 700k in the 40's to over 5 million today so if there was some super awful genocide going on there the Israelis are doing a **** job so Holocaust comparisons are inane

ypres5

PeggyShippen wrote: »

I think some of posts on here are borderline or over the line with regards to Anto Semitism. The Israelis aren't doing exactly what the Nazis did to them. The Nazis killed millions of them and burnt them in ovens.. People need to be carefull with their language.

These people don't operate on facts they operate on flailing their arms and hysterically bleating about genocide, completely ignoring the fact palestine's population has increased fivefold since the 40s.

Timberrrrrrrr

ypres5 wrote: »

These people don't operate on facts they operate on flailing their arms and hysterically bleating about genocide, completely ignoring the fact palestine's population has increased fivefold since the 40s.

And Israel's has increased nine fold, what's your point?

Lmkrnr

ypres5 wrote: »

These people don't operate on facts they operate on flailing their arms and hysterically bleating about genocide, completely ignoring the fact palestine's population has increased fivefold since the 40s.

genocide

noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

ypres5

cnocbui wrote: »

The infant mortality rate in the west bank and gaza is 16 deaths per 1000 live births. In Israel it's 3. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=PS-IL&most_recent_value_desc=true

How is the infant mortality rate in Palestine the fault of Israel?

timmyntc

ypres5 wrote: »

These people don't operate on facts they operate on flailing their arms and hysterically bleating about genocide, completely ignoring the fact palestine's population has increased fivefold since the 40s.

You're right, attempted genocide is grand so long as you kill slightly less than the birth rate. :pac:

ypres5

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And Israel's has increased nine fold, what's your point?

The fairly obvious point is that a genocide isn't occuring if palestine's population has multiplied x5. It's fairly obvious stuff

o1s1n

Nermal wrote: »

Ireland seems to be a deep reservoir of this stuff.

Historically illiterate parallels between our conflict and theirs, along with one-sided media, have strengthened antisemitic feeling that was already well-established.

In another thread in this forum, they're getting the blame for the HSE ransomware attack.

You do realise you can be against what Israel are doing in Gaza without being anti-Semitic?

Even something as outlandish as suggesting the IDF might be responsible for the ransomware attack is not anti-Semitic.

That phrase is being thrown around so much it's really starting to lose it's actual meaning.

wes

timmyntc wrote: »

You're right, attempted genocide is grand so long as you kill slightly less than the birth rate. :pac:

The legal definition of genocide includes the words to try and destroy a group "in whole or in part" as the people who came up with the definition knew that genocide apologists like we have on this thread, would try say genocide has not occurred, because they haven't managed to kill everyone yet.

ypres5

timmyntc wrote: »

You're right, attempted genocide is grand so long as you kill slightly less than the birth rate. :pac:

Do you have any proof that conflict with israel has had a declining effect on the Palestinian population that only it's birth rate is sustaining it's growth?

Timberrrrrrrr

ypres5 wrote: »

How is the infant mortality rate in Palestine the fault of Israel?

Well they have been known to block food/medicine deliveries. That certainly wouldn't help.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/13/israel-gaza-blockade

wes

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well they have been known to block food/medicine deliveries. That certainly wouldn't help.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/13/israel-gaza-blockade

Also, as the occupying power it is their responsibility.....

ypres5

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well they have been known to block food/medicine deliveries. That certainly wouldn't help.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/13/israel-gaza-blockade

So a blockade 13 years ago is still having an effect on palestine's infant mortality rate? Amazing stuff.