Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Housefree

Nermal wrote: »

Ireland seems to be a deep reservoir of this stuff.

Irish people are against apartheid!

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Israels Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid
'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

Palestinians live under constant human rights abuses
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

SADAKA Mission: ‘To promote and maximise support for changes in Ireland’s domestic and foreign policies which advance the achievement of self-determination and other fundamental rights of the Palestinian people.’
https://www.sadaka.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them
https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

namloc1980

You know the apologists are running out of ways to defend the indefensible because we're seeing the anti-Semitic card being thrown around more frequently in the last day or so.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

In the last 24 hours Israel has killed more civilians with air strikes than Hamas has done in the last 20 years with their rocket attacks. BuT It'S PrOpOrTiOnAl aNd HaMaS ArE tErRoRiStS say the apologists. Disgusting.

The IDF is producing powerfully edifying graphics on Twitter explaining the operation, what is being achieved, and how to respond to inaccurate propaganda - free from the kind of hysterical bias that many a time you exude through your posts.

One such example is:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1393044069924888576

wes

ypres5 wrote: »

So a blockade 13 years ago is still having an effect on palestine's infant mortality rate? Amazing stuff.

Israel is still the occupier and as such responsible.

deisedevil

namloc1980 wrote: »

You know the apologists are running out of ways to defend the indefensible because we're seeing the anti-Semitic card being thrown around more frequently in the last day or so.

And it seems to me there's far more anti-zionism than anti-Semitism!

Mimon

Fandymo wrote: »

The Israelis are just bombing and shooting them, so that’s grand. Snazzy T-Shirts that IDF soldiers have been seen wearing. 1 shot 2 kills, with the belly of a pregnant Muslim woman being targeted. That’s who you are defending. Shame on you.

History won't be kind to the people who supported this inhumanity and murder by the Israelis just like history was not kind to outsiders who thought Hitler and Nazism were a great idea in the 1930s

ypres5

o1s1n wrote: »

You do realise you can be against what Israel are doing in Gaza without being anti-Semitic?

Even something as outlandish as suggesting the IDF might be responsible for the ransomware attack is not anti-Semitic.

That phrase is being thrown around so much it's really starting to lose it's actual meaning.

Constant references to the Holocaust, the 'jewnited states' and begging for Muslim powers like Turkey and Iran or an Arab coalition to wipe out Israel doesn't really help the argument that dislike of Israel doesn't equal antisemitism

wes

namloc1980 wrote: »

You know the apologists are running out of ways to defend the indefensible because we're seeing the anti-Semitic card being thrown around more frequently in the last day or so.

Also, the amount of general anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia they are peddling going into over drive as well. Seeing the same all across social media. They are desperate, they know they are full of **** and they will get worse and worse as time goes on.

It is still astonishing to see openly racist posters dare accuse anyone else of racism.

wes

ypres5 wrote: »

Constant references to the Holocaust, the 'jewnited states' and begging for Muslim powers like Turkey and Iran or an Arab coalition to wipe out Israel doesn't really help the argument that dislike of Israel doesn't equal antisemitism

Some of what you are saying you are making up, but you can just report such posts as you find them.

The constant support of the murder of Palestinians civilians by Israel supporters and other acts of casual racism doesn't help your side a whole lot.

I think the term glass houses come to mind.

namloc1980

wes wrote: »

Also, the amount of general anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia they are peddling going into over drive as well. Seeing the same all across social media. They are desperate, they know they are full of **** and they will get worse and worse as time goes on.

It is still astonishing to see openly racist posters dare accuse anyone else of racism.

Absolutely. What I find most bizarre is a certain poster with a racially charged slur word in their username who is banging on about anti-Semitism.

o1s1n

ypres5 wrote: »

Constant references to the Holocaust, the 'jewnited states' and begging for Muslim powers like Turkey and Iran or an Arab coalition to wipe out Israel doesn't really help the argument that dislike of Israel doesn't equal antisemitism

I searched the term 'jewnited states' in this thread and funnily enough the only post to come up was one you previously made.

Maybe you should stop being so anti-Semitic?

Mimon

wes wrote: »

Also, the amount of general anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia they are peddling going into over drive as well. Seeing the same all across social media. They are desperate, they know they are full of **** and they will get worse and worse as time goes on.

It is still astonishing to see openly racist posters dare accuse anyone else of racism.

Whataboutery, accusing others of anti semitism and dehumanising Palesinians is the playbook of these people.

Signs of desperation in trying to defend the indefensible.

ypres5

o1s1n wrote: »

I searched the term 'jewnited states' in this thread and funnily enough the only post to come up was one you previously made.

The posts were deleted along with another charming one implying people killed in the Holocaust were cowards for not fighting back. But no antisemitism on this thread no siree.

wes

wes wrote: »

The constant support of the murder of Palestinians civilians by Israel supporters and other acts of casual racism doesn't help your side a whole lot.

I think the term glass houses come to mind.

Nobody supports killing innocent civilians. Except Hamas - who want to commit genocide against Jewish people.

What we do support is an operation that targets Hamas and its tentacled undergrowths.

In war, civilians die. Each innocent civilian death is a bad outcome - whether it's Arab or Israeli Jewish.

Had Hamas not sent hundreds of targetless rockets into Israel, killing her civilians, Israel would not be responding in the manner she is.

And as the IDF have pointedly argued, the lower number of deaths in Israel demonstrates the success of the Iron Dome Defense System and underground bunkers. If neither of these existed, goodness knows how many civilians Hamas would have murdered.

And that's without even mentioning the rockets that Hamas are firing that are landing on their own citizens.

wes

namloc1980 wrote: »

Absolutely. What I find most bizarre is a certain poster with a racially charged slur word in their username who is banging on about anti-Semitism.

Yeah, amazing how racists will falsely accuse everyone racism and make stuff up.

namloc1980

o1s1n wrote: »

I searched the term 'jewnited states' in this thread and funnily enough the only post to come up was one you previously made.

Maybe you should stop being so anti-Semitic?

The only 2 references to "jewnited states" in the whole thread is by that poster. It's pure gaslighting.

wes

ypres5 wrote: »

The posts were deleted along with another charming one implying people killed in the Holocaust were cowards for not fighting back. But no antisemitism on this thread no siree.

If it is removed from the thread, then its no longer here.

ypres5

namloc1980 wrote: »

The only 2 references to "jewnited states" in the whole thread is by that poster. It's pure gaslighting.

As I said previously the post was deleted for obvious reasons. Doesn't change the fact one of your lot felt it acceptable to post along with the constant Holocaust references

ypres5

wes wrote: »

If it is removed from the thread, then its no longer here.

Does that change the fact it was said?

Mimon

ypres5 wrote: »

The posts were deleted along with another charming one implying people killed in the Holocaust were cowards for not fighting back. But no antisemitism on this thread no siree.

There was one lunatic poster spouting anti semitic ****e. I told him where he can take that ****e.

Most anti Israeli atrocity posters here have made it clear by their posting that they are not anti semitic and have a nuanced view of the situation.

Signs of desperation and having lost the argument if you are equating us with that loon.

wes

ypres5 wrote: »

As I said previously the post was deleted for obvious reasons. Doesn't change the fact one of your lot felt it acceptable to post along with the constant Holocaust references

So you have moved onto guilt by association. People are now to blame for post that they didn't even see.

Desperate, desperate stuff altogether, coming from open supporters of an ethno state. You couldn't make it up.

derekgine3

wes wrote: »

Yeah, amazing how racists will falsely accuse everyone racism and make stuff up.

It's the MO of the far left.

namloc1980

Just for the apologists, being critical of Zionism, Zionist expansionism and the treatment of the Palestinian people is not being anti-Jewish. Hope that clears up the obvious confusion you guys have.

o1s1n

ypres5 wrote: »

As I said previously the post was deleted for obvious reasons. Doesn't change the fact one of your lot felt it acceptable to post along with the constant Holocaust references

The posts were deleted? But if we were a pack of anti-Semites, surely the posts would have been left up?

What do you mean by 'your lot' by the way? Bit of anti-Irish sentiment there?

wes

ypres5 wrote: »

Does that change the fact it was said?

If it is removed, then it is no longer present. Proper order for such things.

Also, again the support for an ethno state still remain, which is of course racist.

We also have a user with a ethnic slur as part of their username that still remains as well.

boetstark

Odhinn wrote: »

Actually Apartheid south Africa lasted as long as it did due in no small part to US blocking action against it at the UNSC level for many years. once that stopped its end was assured. Likewise Rhodesia.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about

Mimon

ypres5 wrote: »

Does that change the fact it was said?

He was a loon, hopefully he was banned as he was waste of space with disgusting posts.

namloc1980

wes wrote: »

So you have moved onto guilt by association. People are now to blame for post that they didn't even see.

Desperate, desperate stuff altogether, coming from open supporters of an ethno state. You couldn't make it up.

Collective guilt and collective punishment is the go to for the pro-Israel side. We see evidence of that in how civilians are being murdered in Gaza with impunity just because Hamas is there.

ypres5

wes wrote: »

So you have moved onto guilt by association. People are now to blame for post that they didn't even see.

Desperate, desperate stuff altogether, coming from open supporters of an ethno state. You couldn't make it up.

Yet you have no problem calling anyone not flying the Palestinian flag racist. Also how do you see non Muslims being treated in the event Palestine were to win against Israel? Considering they've stated in the past their goal is to wipe out the Jews worldwide, Egypt previously wanted to finish what Hitler started and Palestinian christians aren't exactly treated like royalty either.

thomas 123

ypres5 wrote: »

As I said previously the post was deleted for obvious reasons. Doesn't change the fact one of your lot felt it acceptable to post along with the constant Holocaust references

What do you mean one of your lot?

Do you understand that life is not side A and side B

Then again “your lot” can’t tell the difference between right and wrong, man, Woman or child along with what’s rightfully yours and what’s rightfully is not.