Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Dyr

Potatoeman wrote: »

The Palestinians should never voted in Hamas. They just use the civilians as shields. It would be like Ireland voting in SF during the troubles and letting them launch rockets from the republic into the north then crying foul when they retaliate. If you don’t play by the rules then you can’t cry foul when your opponent doesn’t.

The Israelis use the same civilians as shields, and the Palestinians didnt even vote them in

prishtinaboy99

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What's going on is heart breaking.
People pick sides like it's a game of soccer.

Anyone who is absolutely on one side or the other has to put themselves in the other person's situation.

For me, I think the Palestinian people have suffered far, far more from this conflict, which ultimately they did not create.
I support them politically, and oppose the actions of Israel by any meagre means I can. There needs to be more pressure on Israel to make them feel the pain of the injustice they inflict on the Palestinian population.

But I think of that little child in Israel who was murdered by rockets fired from Gaza; his life and the mourning of his parents are just as real as those on the other side of the border.

I know there is a peaceful way out of this nightmare, and I give my support to any people of that region making the tough task of creating peace.

Unfortunately not as long as Netanyahu remains propped up by the orthodox right.Hopefully the investigations into his dodgy dealings with his family and financial wrongdoings will put an end to him. Hamas Are given oxygen partly due to his apartheid politics.

Irish people should understand the how the extremists survive due to the politics of the oppressors.

namloc1980

ypres5 wrote: »

Just so long as they're not owned by those sneaky lying biased Jews eh? This thread is hitting Eric Cartman levels of antisemitism

There it is again, the antisemitism card being played. Utterly predictable.

wes

loughside wrote: »

Good to see the Israeli Army obliterating these terrorist scum.

Calling murdered civilians including children, terrorist scum is beyond the pale. Utterly repugnant and disgusting.

cameramonkey

More Israeli attacks on civilians in Gaza, they seem really intent on making life difficult for children particularly.

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1393178450417143812

Odhinn

Potatoeman wrote: »

The Palestinians should never voted in Hamas. They just use the civilians as shields. It would be like Ireland voting in SF during the troubles and letting them launch rockets from the republic into the north then crying foul when they retaliate. If you don’t play by the rules then you can’t cry foul when your opponent doesn’t.

'Palestinians in Gaza'

ypres5

thomas 123 wrote: »

Nobody said that - Why are you trying to make it appear that way?

You picked your source, I told you it’s potentially biased.(not just on this topic by the way)

Illustrate your point with a variety of sources.

Reuters is good with me thanks and same with media bias fact check. Are you this scrutinizing with people who post links from electronic intifada and various other pro Palestine sources or is it just the Jewish owned media?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/%3famp=1

thomas 123

wes wrote: »

Calling murdered civilians including children, terrorist scum is beyond the pale. Utterly repugnant and disgusting.

Note who thanked it: mr “when did I say X, prove it”

ypres5

namloc1980 wrote: »

There it is again, the antisemitism card being played. Utterly predictable.

If the boot fits, wear it.

cameramonkey

Some images of families being forced from their homes by Israeli attacks.

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1393189855232888835

namloc1980

wes wrote: »

Israel has never played by the "rules". Every single elected Israeli government since 1967 has expanded settlements.

Hamas was founded in 1987, and at that point Israeli settlement expansions had been ongoing for decades.

Wasting your time talking about settlements as most of the pro-IDF crowd here have no idea about the history of the conflict. They don't understand (or care) that Palestinians in the West Bank live in over 150 ghettoized pockets walled in and surrounded by an aggressive Israeli military occupation.

thomas 123

ypres5 wrote: »

Reuters is good with me thanks and same with media bias fact check. Are you this scrutinizing with people who post links from electronic intifada and various other pro Palestine sources or is it just the Jewish owned media?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/%3famp=1

Yes I do. Most publications have a conscious bias.

What can’t really be disputed is footage from people on both sides which is widely shared via social media, that’s what I’ve based my opinion on so far, and what the UN’s actions so far. We will also have reports from Irish international observers shortly.

igCorcaigh

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

Unfortunately not as long as Netanyahu remains propped up by the orthodox right.Hopefully the investigations into his dodgy dealings with his family and financial wrongdoings will put an end to him. Hamas Are given oxygen partly due to his apartheid politics.

Irish people should understand the how the extremists survive due to the politics of the oppressors.

This is always the complicating factor, and you make a valid parallel.
There is also a powerful, if small, Left movement in Israel too, but they don't get much media publicity from outside Israel.

o1s1n

loughside wrote: »

I note plenty of the knuckle-dragging bigots of SF/IRA in this one supporting their comrades in the PLO/Hamas terrorist organisations.

Good to see the Israeli Army obliterating these terrorist scum.

Supporter of British colonialism in Israel colonialism support shocker.

Scoundrel

o1s1n wrote: »

Supporter of British colonialism in Israel colonialism support shocker.

The irony being that the founders of Israel killed dozens of British soldiers during a terrorist campaign to achieve the founding of Israel.

seamus

ypres5 wrote: »

Absolutely no antisemitism on the Palestinian side, none at all.

While you and I have the luxury of distance that allows us to understand that what Israel is doing doesn't reflect on all Jews, someone sitting in Gaza today whose families have been terrorised by Israeli armed forces for five generations, doesn't have that luxury.

To them, Israel is a monster. Its people are monsters who vote for racist psychopaths like Bibi. To the Palestinians, Bibi is Hitler. That's not rhetoric, that's fact.
To the average Palestinian, all Israelis hate Palestinians, and actively work to cause as much death and destruction in Gaza as possible.
And since Israel self-declares as the home of Jews, then it's not a gigantic leap to understand why that Palestinian believes all Jews to be evil.

We don't have to agree with it, but we can still understand it.

The Israelis don't have an understandable perspective for their hatred. "We read in this really old book of fables that Jewish people used to live here, so we came over and started kicking the native people out, but they fought back. Can you believe that? They must be evil".

Overheal

ypres5 wrote: »

The posts were deleted along with another charming one implying people killed in the Holocaust were cowards for not fighting back. But no antisemitism on this thread no siree.

It was deleted because it’s not tolerated here. So you can stop bleating on about antisemitism being the driver of criticism here.

cnocbui

ypres5 wrote: »

If the boot fits, wear it.

It doesn't fit. The palestinians are also semites. Being anti-zionist is not the same as being anti-jew

prishtinaboy99

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This is always the complicating factor, and you make a valid parallel.
There is also a powerful, if small, Left movement in Israel too, but they don't get much media publicity from outside Israel.

Of course when you had an Israeli Prime Minister who was willing to make a meaningful dialogue with the Palestinian authority he was shot dead by the right wing inspired element and there ended any chance of peace for many generations to come.

Even later Ehud Barak who was no shrinking violet was also ostracized when he made moves to find some sort of deal.

J Mysterio

seamus wrote: »

Since the IDF are openly admitting that they are engaged in terrorism on Palestinian soil, only a fool would give their "explanations" any space in one's brain;

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1392197029355470848?s=20

They are striking terror alright, into the whole of the Gazan community.

myfreespirit

wes wrote: »

Calling murdered civilians including children, terrorist scum is beyond the pale. Utterly repugnant and disgusting.

You would be right, if the post you quoted said that.
But it did not, you selectively quoted a small part of it, so you are not debating in good faith.
Just sayin'.

cnocbui

loughside wrote: »

I note plenty of the knuckle-dragging bigots of SF/IRA in this one supporting their comrades in the PLO/Hamas terrorist organisations.

Good to see the Israeli Army obliterating these terrorist scum.

Ironic. The state of Israel was founded by terrorists.

cameramonkey

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/palestinians-in-gaza-recount-ruthless-horrors-of-israeli-raids

Horrific stories of the terror being inflicted on women and children in Gaza by attacks on civilian areas by Israel.
Difficult to imagine the conditions children are enduring.

partyguinness

cnocbui wrote: »

Ironic. The state of Israel was founded by terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing


This I believe was the first largescale act of violence in Israel- committed by Zionists and not Arabs.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel should continue the operation until all strategic objectives have been achieved, neutralizing any threats from Hamas operatives and command and control.

This will be achieved in as targeted a manner as possible.

Some civilians may perish, and that is a negative strategic outcome, but many more civilians will die if Hamas is allowed to send unfettered numbers of rockets into Israel to sow the destruction they yearn for.

There is no solution here where no innocent civilians die.

Hamas have made it their raison d'etre to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible.

It's in their charter.

Read it.

Would that be the current charter post 2017 or an obsolete one that better suits your narrative?

Please provide a link.

namloc1980

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/palestinians-in-gaza-recount-ruthless-horrors-of-israeli-raids

Horrific stories of the terror being inflicted on women and children in Gaza by attacks on civilian areas by Israel.
Difficult to imagine the conditions children are enduring.

You mean "negative collateral outcome". That's what one of the Pro-IDF crowd said it was.

Five Eighth

loughside wrote: »

I note plenty of the knuckle-dragging bigots of SF/IRA in this one supporting their comrades in the PLO/Hamas terrorist organisations.

Good to see the Israeli Army obliterating these terrorist scum.

Outrageous comment. Most people (including posters here) are not anti-Semitic. People naturally feel sympathy for civilians and, in particular, children. People naturally feel sympathy for people being evicted from their homes and land. Israel has a right to defend itself but as the military power, it should respond proportionately to any act of aggression.
Compare:
Israel:
Full time army - 170,000
Part-time reservists - 450,000
Airforce - 595
Tanks - 2,760
Gaza:
Rockets.

Criticising the actions of the Israeli government is not being anti-Semitic.

cameramonkey

Israel now attacking media buildings, is this a war crime?
https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1392967686221713413

igCorcaigh

cnocbui wrote: »

Ironic. The state of Israel was founded by terrorists.

A lot of countries were founded on violence, which could be considered terrorist, ours included.

Yet, how Israel carved out its land is notable for how recent it was, the scale of the ethnic cleansing, and how it still continues to this day, still stealing land.
And even more so, is protected and funded by the biggest military, economic and cultural force in the world.

wes

myfreespirit wrote: »

You would be right, if the post you quoted said that.
But it did not, you selectively quoted a small part of it, so you are not debating in good faith.
Just sayin'.

The poster was clearly saying everyone killed was a terrorist. Most of the people killed were civilians and were deliberately killed by the IDF. The accusatory statement before that statement doesn't change a damn thing.

Dishonest to pretend otherwise. What was said was clear as day, open celebration of IDFs (they admitted this btw) terrorism campaign. Sickening in the extreme imo.