Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Stovepipe

Cody montana wrote: »

Israel need to be charged with war crimes.

That's fine,as long as the same applies to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the rest, whose stated aim is the destruction of Israel. That declaration is a crime in itself. Want to have a go at trying to bring Hamas to court?

PokeHerKing

I see Israeli nationalist march through Palestinian areas to celebrate Jerusalem day. Now what does that remind me of, ah yes that fun loving all inclusive club the Orange Order.

Stovepipe

I see sheep wrote: »

Israel are murdering children again like they have been for decades. Anyone who defends them is either an idiot or doesn't care about innocent kids being killed.

No shortage of dead Israeli children. Just because more Palestinian kids are dying compared to Israeli kids doesn't make it right. By the way, will you be taking up the cudgel against Assad, whose military have probably killed thousands of children and the Arab world isn't taking a blind bit of notice?

Housefree

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I see Israeli nationalist march through Palestinian areas to celebrate Jerusalem day. Now what does that remind me of, ah yes that fun loving all exclusive club the Orange Order.

A lot of parallels with Irish history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland
Jewish people around the world can go and live in Israel with full rights, while the Palestinians who can trace their family back generations are living under apartheid

I see sheep

Stovepipe wrote: »

No shortage of dead Israeli children. Just because more Palestinian kids are dying compared to Israeli kids doesn't make it right. By the way, will you be taking up the cudgel against Assad, whose military have probably killed thousands of children and the Arab world isn't taking a blind bit of notice?

Yes of course.

Yeah the Western world has been doing great in relation to Syria .. or anything in the middle east :rolleyes:

conorhal

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It could be a deliberate provocation by the Israelis designed ultimately to provide cover for an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

As is, I can’t imagine any Arab states intervening. Syria, Lebanon, even Egypt are all in incredibly weak positions.
Who is going to intervene to protect the Israelis? Western sanctions on Israel? I don’t think so.

Tin-foil hat much?


This is about one thing, a power grab by Hamas.
With the Palestinian elections called off and Abu Mazen looking incredibly weak, Hamas see a chance to overtake the PLO by positioning themselves as the party that fought to protect Al Aqsa and Sheikh Jarrah while the PLO just made weak condemnations.

And they just so happened to have all their rocket sites ready to go for a dispute over 'rent'.

This is performative victimhood for the international press and political theatre for their domestic audience by Hamas, it has nothing to do with some 'evil Israeli 4D chess scheme'.

Timberrrrrrrr

Housefree wrote: »

A lot of parallels with Irish history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland
Jewish people around the world can go and live is Israel with full rights

Tell that to the Ethiopian Jews that moved there.

Mimon

Stovepipe wrote: »

That's fine,as long as the same applies to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the rest, whose stated aim is the destruction of Israel. That declaration is a crime in itself. Want to have a go at trying to bring Hamas to court?

Israel purports to be a civilized state. Ridiculous comparison/whataboutery here.

Housefree

They are calling out the satirical Onion article posted earlier as anti semitic
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/523533-onion-israel-anti-semitism/

o1s1n

Mimon wrote: »

Israel purports to be a civilized state. Ridiculous comparison/whataboutery here.

Exactly.

A better parallel would be the IRA bombing London and the UK responding by launching attacks at buildings in Dublin.

SafeSurfer

conorhal wrote: »

Tin-foil hat much?


This is about one thing, a power grab by Hamas.
With the Palestinian elections called off and Abu Mazen looking incredibly weak, Hamas see a chance to overtake the PLO by positioning themselves as the party that fought to protect Al Aqsa and Sheikh Jarrah while the PLO just made weak condemnations.

And they just so happened to have all their rocket sites ready to go for a dispute over 'rent'.

This is performative victimhood for the international press and political theatre for their domestic audience by Hamas, it has nothing to do with some 'evil Israeli 4D chess scheme'.

Your analysis is entirely one dimensional. Netanyahu’s desire to stay in power in stave off criminal prosecution could be as much of a motivation as a power grab by Hamas, but you choose to view it in one way.

“Performative Victimhood”? Those dead children deserve an Oscar.

conorhal

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Your analysis is entirely one dimensional. Netanyahu’s desire to stay in power in stave off criminal prosecution could be as much of a motivation as a power grab by Hamas, but you choose to view it in one way.

“Performative Victimhood”? Those dead children deserve an Oscar.

So Netanyahu's running Hamas now is he?


Hamas love dead children, so much so that they like firing rockets from school yards, then daubing themselves in their blood, beating their chests and crying 'look at what they did to our children! Give us more international funding to squander'.

Housefree

conorhal wrote: »

So Netanyahu's running Hamas now is he?


Hamas love dead children, so much so that they like firing rockets from school yards, then daubing themselves in their blood, beating their chests and crying 'look at what they did to our children! Give us more international funding to squander'.

Imagine fighting back against an Apartheid State, a nuclear power that uses F16 fighters to wipe out family's

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them

https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

paw patrol

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Deleted User wrote: »

And again you call these death camp inmates cowards. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have no understanding of the circumstances these people were in.
But you, Marco of boards dot i e. of course, would be the super hero in that place.
Educate yourself. And then be rightfully embarrassed of your ignorance.

you rage at him as is your right to hold an opinion.

But the Israelis themselves held the same view towards those that survived the concentrations camps sneering at them that they didn't fight back and allowed it to happen.

Conveniently forgotten by those who bang the drum of anti-Semitism.

Israel is an out of control monster. hopefully public opinion in the US will change in time - people sick of their kids dying for their greatest ally or sick of reduced living standards while pumping money to Israel - and that'll put manners on Israel.

Larbre34

Coveney (as FM and UN Security Council member) calls in Israeli ambassador to protest their response to civilian unrest and then of course the Irish ambassador in Tel Aviv gets called in for a roasting over what Coveney said! Such bullshyt.

This Netanyahu administration is living on a different planet, engineering a serious conflict to obfuscate the personal and political calamity Bibi is facing and whip right wing Israeli nationalism into a froth. Straight out of the fascist playbook.

Fandymo

Ireland needs to implement BDS on a national scale. Expel the ambassador.

Housefree

Larbre34 wrote: »

Coveney (as FM and UN Security Council member) calls in Israeli ambassador to protest their response to civilian unrest and then of course the Irish ambassador in Tel Aviv gets called in for a roasting over what Coveney said! Such bullshyt.

This Netanyahu administration is living on a different planet, engineering a serious conflict to obfuscate the personal and political calamity Bibi is facing and whip right wing Israeli nationalism into a froth. Straight out of the fascist playbook.

Coveney is a friend of Israel


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Territories_Bill

The Occupied Territories Bill[1] (officially Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill 2018)[2] is a proposed Irish law that would ban and criminalize "trade with and economic support for illegal settlements in territories deemed occupied under international law", most notably Israeli settlements.[3] Violators would face fines of up to €250,000 and up to five years in prison.

The Fine Gael party has opposed the bill.[14] Former Irish Fine Gael politician Alan Shatter, in an opinion piece for the Jerusalem Post noted that, even if the bill is passed, the foreign ministry could decline to implement it.[8] In December 2019, Foreign Minister Simon Coveney, on a trip to Israel, said that the government had "effectively blocked" the bill.[15]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Territories_Bill

Ireland is actually at the forefront of pro Palestinian support and a battle ground for Israel as they believe it could have a domino effect on the EU

wes

Stovepipe wrote: »

That's fine,as long as the same applies to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the rest, whose stated aim is the destruction of Israel. That declaration is a crime in itself. Want to have a go at trying to bring Hamas to court?

They are being investigated same as Israel by the ICC. As it stands Hamas etc are sanctioned as terrorists, and yet Israel which kills far more civilians are not. Hypocrisy at its finest.

BTW, Israel already destroyed Palestine via ethnic cleansing during it creation, but apparently that doesn't matter, not to mention the ongoing ethnic cleansing, like in Sheikh Jarrah which cause the current violence. Israel hasn't a leg to stand on claiming to be some kind of angel.

wes

Stovepipe wrote: »

No shortage of dead Israeli children. Just because more Palestinian kids are dying compared to Israeli kids doesn't make it right. By the way, will you be taking up the cudgel against Assad, whose military have probably killed thousands of children and the Arab world isn't taking a blind bit of notice?

Ah so, we are on to whataboutism. If you cared about Assad crimes, you would start a thread on them, instead of using it to justify Israels crimes.

boetstark

Marco23d wrote: »

They're tough with all their artillery and power but years ago when the tables were turned many people still can't believe the cowardice of the jewish people when it came to fighting oppression

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not referring to the holocaust

wes

Housefree wrote: »

They are calling out the satirical Onion article posted earlier as anti semitic
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/523533-onion-israel-anti-semitism/

Nothing more funny, than an Ethno-state accusing others of racism. Glass houses and all that. Maybe the IDF needs to stop murdering civilians and people will stop calling them out.

boetstark

Marco23d wrote: »

Yeah, the israelis/jews are cowards they can only fight now with all their power to crush a powerless people.

Anyone who denies the cowardice of the israelis should ask themselves why it only took 3 or 4 guards to march thousands of jews to their deaths because the nazis knew that not one of them would have the guts to sacrifice themselves.

I know it's harsh to say but it's the truth, it's part of the reason they have become such aggressive bullies to try and wash away the fact that deep down they are the most cowardly people in all of human history.

You are a dirty piece of thrash, dogs in the street have a greater moral compass than you

wes

Fandymo wrote: »

It is illegal under international law, to fire on residential buildings. It's almost as if Israel don't care about international law.

People seem to think the mere presence of Hamas, the government makes an attack on civilians infra ok.

Just imagine if the Hamas tried to justify attacking civilians by saying a Likud party member lived in a civilian building, or a Likud party office in a office block they would be laughed out of the room, with such nonsense, but when Israel does it, their war crimes are absolved.

Richard Hillman

The Iron Dome is absolutely amazing to watch

https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1392232117183029249?s=19

Lmkrnr

Id like to see the Turks get dragged into this conflict atleast they would give Israel a few problems.

o1s1n

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Iron Dome is absolutely amazing to watch

That's like watching Missile Command in real life, amazing bit of tech.

seamus

wes wrote: »

People seem to think the mere presence of Hamas, the government makes an attack on civilians infra ok.

Just imagine if the Hamas tried to justify attacking civilians by saying a Likud party member lived in a civilian building, or a Likud party office in a office block they would be laughed out of the room, with such nonsense, but when Israel does it, their war crimes are absolved.

And of course you have the mouthbreathers claiming that "Hamas are using civilian buildings as shields" as if Hamas are a governmental organisation that can have headquarters or barracks which wouldn't be pummelled into the ground almost immediately.

Even legitimate Palestinian government buildings have been repeatedly attacked by Israel. So no sh1t that Hamas don't have their own premises.

There can be all the outrage in the world about this, but until any Western government has the balls to call a complete embargo on Israel, nothing will happen.

I would like for Ireland to be the first to refuse to do any business with Israel, but we don't have the balls for it. Too much fear about what the US multinationals would do.

Housefree

The land Israel has steadily stole



https://imeu.org/article/fact-check-msnbcs-palestinian-loss-of-land-map

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them

https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

Heraclius

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Id like to see the Turks get dragged into this conflict atleast they would give Israel a few problems.

Aren't they busy illegally occupying and settling Northern Cyprus?

Timberrrrrrrr

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Id like to see the Turks get dragged into this conflict atleast they would give Israel a few problems.

You think more death/destruction is what's needed?