Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

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derekgine3 wrote: »

If true, fair play to Syria.

I think they have enough enemies already to be openly involved.

Over the past couple of pages on this thread, we've heard - repeatedly - how Israel and Hamas need to break bread and sit down around the negotiating table.

Hamas is open and honest about wanting to annihilate the Jewish people. It was in their original charter. Some say that, "Oh, but what about their most recent charter".

If you honestly believe you can move from genocide to non-genocide that quickly, then you are welcome to believe that.

You cannot negotiate on peace terms with a Jihadist organism set on genocide, if they had the capacity to do so.

Odhinn

eskimohunt wrote: »

Over the past couple of pages on this thread, we've heard - repeatedly - how Israel and Hamas need to break bread and sit down around the negotiating table.

Hamas is open and honest about wanting to annihilate the Jewish people. It was in their original charter. Some say that, "Oh, but what about their most recent charter".

If you honestly believe you can move from genocide to non-genocide that quickly, then you are welcome to believe that.

You cannot negotiate on peace terms with a Jihadist organism set on genocide, if they had the capacity to do so.

There is far more to the Palestinian political movements than Hamas.

olestoepoke

A worldwide movement, footballers taking the knee for a Junkie house burglar who was wrongfully killed and yet nothing as dramatic for the dozens of children killed in Palestine in the last few weeks. Where is the outrage, the solidarity, the slogans "Palestinian children's lives matter" surely?

jam_mac_jam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Over the past couple of pages on this thread, we've heard - repeatedly - how Israel and Hamas need to break bread and sit down around the negotiating table.

Hamas is open and honest about wanting to annihilate the Jewish people. It was in their original charter. Some say that, "Oh, but what about their most recent charter".

If you honestly believe you can move from genocide to non-genocide that quickly, then you are welcome to believe that.

You cannot negotiate on peace terms with a Jihadist organism set on genocide, if they had the capacity to do so.

Yes. Just continue on doing what you are doing. Great for the Isreali people and keep sending your young sons into the army and harms way.

Great solution.

Brilliant.

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

Over the past couple of pages on this thread, we've heard - repeatedly - how Israel and Hamas need to break bread and sit down around the negotiating table.

Hamas is open and honest about wanting to annihilate the Jewish people. It was in their original charter. Some say that, "Oh, but what about their most recent charter".

If you honestly believe you can move from genocide to non-genocide that quickly, then you are welcome to believe that.

You cannot negotiate on peace terms with a Jihadist organism set on genocide, if they had the capacity to do so.

"We can't have peace because Hamas moved toward peace by updating their charter too soon ago?"

Cease fires have been offered, they have been ignored.

Your argument nakedly appears to be that Israel has not exacted enough vengeance from the Palestinians to consider peace as an option.

horseshoe22

olestoepoke wrote: »

"Palestinian children's lives matter" surely?

Yes, of course, but maybe you inadvertently left out "Israeli children`s lives matter"

You probably just forgot,

Didn`t you?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

"We can't have peace because Hamas moved toward peace by updating their charter too soon ago?"

Cease fires have been offered, they have been ignored.

Your argument nakedly appears to be that Israel has not exacted enough vengeance from the Palestinians to consider peace as an option.

• Israel withdraw all settlements / Israelis from Gaza in 2005, as requested. Gaza then became a launchpad for missiles into Israel.
  
• Israel had no settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rockets from the West Bank.
  
• Israel has settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rocket attacks from the West Bank.

No matter what metric you choose, whether Israel complies or does not comply, the result is always exactly the same: more rockets.

You can believe Hamas' propaganda if you choose.

That's as ridiculous as placing your trust in Al Qaeda or ISIS and hoping for a positive and welcome outcome for world peace.

Reason for more rockets? Anti-Semitism.

And that will never go away, even if Palestine had its own sovereign territory.

horseshoe22

Interesting development by Twitter, seems they have blocked Israeli messages

Adam Milstein
@AdamMilstein
Twitter now censoring the communications of the Israeli Defense Forces @IDF
The terrorist Islamic State of Iran, and its proxy terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Houthis are continuing to enjoy their freedom of speech and the usage of social media
Quote Tweet
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
· 1h
We tried to tweet about sirens sounding in Beersheba but Twitter wouldn’t let us.

We know it’s repetitive—but that’s the reality for Israelis all over the country.

Odhinn

eskimohunt wrote: »

• Israel withdraw all settlements / Israelis from Gaza in 2005, as requested. Gaza then became a launchpad for missiles into Israel.
• Israel had no settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rockets from the West Bank.
• Israel has settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rocket attacks from the West Bank.

No matter what metric you choose, whether Israel complies or does not comply, the result is always exactly the same: more rockets.

You can believe Hamas' propaganda if you choose.

That's as ridiculous as placing your trust in Al Qaeda or ISIS and hoping for a positive and welcome outcome for world peace.

Reason for more rockets? Anti-Semitism.

And that will never go away, even if Palestine had its own sovereign territory.

Israeli colonies in the West Bank date back to the late 1960's.

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

Israeli colonies in the West Bank date back to the late 1960's.

Referring to pre-1960s; the time in the 60s when Jordan was in control of the West Bank.

Itssoeasy

I may be imagining the tone I’m getting but I listen to podcasts from msnbc shows and they have a certain viewpoint, but since the latest flair up in Israel and Palestine there’s an tone of “oh and there were injuries and deaths in Gaza.” off some of the reporting. There was one quote of “the civilised world” when talking about the incidents and the quote could easily be interpreted as Gaza not being in the civilised world. I’m not sure why it’s a shock but it is. It’s a very dismissive tone.

wotzgoingon

olestoepoke wrote: »

A worldwide movement, footballers taking the knee for a Junkie house burglar who was wrongfully killed and yet nothing as dramatic for the dozens of children killed in Palestine in the last few weeks. Where is the outrage, the solidarity, the slogans "Palestinian children's lives matter" surely?

It has always being that way. Remember the Russia spy got poisoned a few years back and all countries saying sanctions at the same time that was happening there was thousands of Palestine civilians killed and many more injured and not one country spoke up against Israel(western world countries) and no sanctions imposed just more funding from richer countries so they can have more advanced military equipment.

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

• Israel withdraw all settlements / Israelis from Gaza in 2005, as requested. Gaza then became a launchpad for missiles into Israel.
  
• Israel had no settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rockets from the West Bank.
  
• Israel has settlements in the West Bank. Israel still experienced rocket attacks from the West Bank.

No matter what metric you choose, whether Israel complies or does not comply, the result is always exactly the same: more rockets.

You can believe Hamas' propaganda if you choose.

That's as ridiculous as placing your trust in Al Qaeda or ISIS and hoping for a positive and welcome outcome for world peace.

Reason for more rockets? Anti-Semitism.

And that will never go away, even if Palestine had its own sovereign territory.

The rockets are indeed an obstacle to peace; but aren't the settlements as well? And the razing of Gaza?

riffmongous

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Interesting development by Twitter, seems they have blocked Israeli messages

Adam Milstein
@AdamMilstein
Twitter now censoring the communications of the Israeli Defense Forces @IDF
The terrorist Islamic State of Iran, and its proxy terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Houthis are continuing to enjoy their freedom of speech and the usage of social media
Quote Tweet
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
· 1h
We tried to tweet about sirens sounding in Beersheba but Twitter wouldn’t let us.

We know it’s repetitive—but that’s the reality for Israelis all over the country.

They just tried to put out the exact same tweet again and the software caught it, automatic response, not a development or censorship.

namloc1980

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Interesting development by Twitter, seems they have blocked Israeli messages

Adam Milstein
@AdamMilstein
Twitter now censoring the communications of the Israeli Defense Forces @IDF
The terrorist Islamic State of Iran, and its proxy terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Houthis are continuing to enjoy their freedom of speech and the usage of social media
Quote Tweet
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
· 1h
We tried to tweet about sirens sounding in Beersheba but Twitter wouldn’t let us.

We know it’s repetitive—but that’s the reality for Israelis all over the country.

OMG the humanity of it!! The IDF are having issues spewing their propaganda on Twitter.....this is inhumane. Please someone do something!! :pac:

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

The rockets are indeed an obstacle to peace; but aren't the settlements as well? And the razing of Gaza?

There is no "razing" of Gaza. Gaza exists - and has had her own destiny controlled since 2005.

From that point, the Gazan Arab population chose, via a democratic election, Islamic extremism - levelling the prospect of constructive negotiations with Israel.

Second, as I have demonstrated, there is no link between settlements and rockets. Because, even in cases where no settlements existed, rocket attacks still took place.

If Israel wanted, it could withdraw all settlements from the West Bank in a relatively short space of time - as it did with Gazan settlements.

But that can only take place if a non-genocidal and non-aggressive form of politics takes hold among the Palestinian population / leadership.

That cannot take place as long as an extremist Jihadist organization (Hamas) is in control of Gaza (and Fatah are not that much better in the West Bank) and who, incidentally, have been putting off democratic elections in Gaza for many, many years now.

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

There is no "razing" of Gaza. Gaza exists - and has had her own destiny controlled since 2005.

From that point, the Gazan Arab population chose, via a democratic election, Islamic extremism - levelling the prospect of constructive negotiations with Israel.

Second, as I have demonstrated, there is no link between settlements and rockets. Because, even in cases where no settlements existed, rocket attacks still took place.

If Israel wanted, it could withdraw all settlements from the West Bank in a relatively short space of time - as it did with Gazan settlements.

But that can only take place if a non-genocidal and non-aggressive form of politics takes hold among the Palestinian population / leadership.

That cannot take place as long as an extremist Jihadist organization (Hamas) is in control of Gaza (and Fatah are not that much better in the West Bank) and who, incidentally, have been putting off democratic elections in Gaza for many, many years now.

Gaza does not control its own destiny. Israel effectively blockades it and won't allow a port or airport to be developed there. Please stop telling untruths.

Also do you have proof that rocket attacks were happening before any settlements in the West Bank??

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

There is no "razing" of Gaza. Gaza exists - and has had her own destiny controlled since 2005.

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Yes: razed.

From that point, the Gazan Arab population chose Islamic fanaticism - levelling the prospect of constructive negotiations with Israel.

Second, as I have demonstrated, there is no link between settlements and rockets. Because, even in cases where no settlements existed, rocket attacks still took place.

Where did you "demonstrate" this?

Didn't the rocket attacks coincide with evictions and settlements and human rights abuses at a holy site?

If Israel wanted, it could withdraw all settlements from the West Bank in a relatively short space of time - as it did with Gazan settlements.

But that can only take place if a non-genocidal and non-aggressive politics takes hold among the Palestinian population.

That cannot take place as long as an extremist Jihadist organization is in control of Gaza and who, incidentally, have been putting off democratic elections in Gaza for many, many years now.

You're contradicting yourself, since you openly admitted just a while ago that there has been a political shift in gaza away from a chartered policy of genocide. So, by your own metric, the withdrawal can take place. So why instead has Israel only accelerated settlements in spite of non-genocidal, non-aggressive politics taking hold?

Mad_maxx

Isn't it noticeable how movies have been made about Ww2 ( endless number), ditto Vietnam, we've had movies about Northern Ireland, Cambodia,

Nothing ever made about the Israeli Palestinian conflict?

Large bottle small glass

JupiterKid wrote: »

It’s a no brainer. Israel does these things because it can.

That's the kernel of it.

The probable reason they can do it in a region surrounded by over 300M Muslims when the Jewish population worldwide is less than 20M is the real question.

For a population of people who have suffered centuries of oppression and racism they currently per head of population are peerless in terms of achievements in every field that matters in the Western world. Medicine, science, law, banking etc etc.

Their abilities in terms of secular learning and their bond as a people have made them influential beyond their number in every country that matters.

Muslim culture in terms of influence is in decline for centuries and politically don't have the influence in the countries that matter. That'll probably change in time with population growth in the west but who knows.

The political mess in USA and Israel doesn't help the situation.

Israel is committing war crimes but have and will continue to get away with it for the foreseeable.

As horrible as it is I never quite understood the Irish bond with Palestine. In Yemen for example, another sectarian conflict, over 140,000 (if you include non direct the UN have number over 200000)have died in recent years but you never hear a thing.

Mad_maxx

Has anyone ever come across a Mark Humphries on Twitter with respect of this conflict ?

Makes Eoghan Harris seem perfectly normal , complete weirdo and a cultish defense of IDF actions

SEPT 23 1989

If I were a Palestinian I would be looking for a peaceful solution firing rockets at a people with their history is only going to end up one way

They will never be put in a position like they were in the middle of the last century again

Why can’t people understand that?

Mad_maxx

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

That's the kernel of it.

The probable reason they can do it in a region surrounded by over 300M Muslims when the Jewish population worldwide is less than 20M is the real question.

For a population of people who have suffered centuries of oppression and racism they currently per head of population are peerless in terms of achievements in every field that matters in the Western world. Medicine, science, law, banking etc etc.

Their abilities in terms of secular learning and their bond as a people have made them influential beyond their number in every country that matters.

Muslim culture in terms of influence is in decline for centuries and politically don't have the influence in the countries that matter. That'll probably change in time with population growth in the west but who knows.

The political mess in USA and Israel doesn't help the situation.

Israel is committing war crimes but have and will continue to get away with it for the foreseeable.

As horrible as it is I never quite understood the Irish bond with Palestine. In Yemen for example, another sectarian conflict, over 140,000 (if you include non direct the UN have number over 200000)have died in recent years but you never hear a thing.

That is true ,the Saudis are every bit as brutal in Yemen as the Israelis yet not much coverage?

Ask the French and the ffing Brits which created the situation

Mad_maxx

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

If I were a Palestinian I would be looking for a peaceful solution firing rockets at a people with their history is only going to end up one way

They will never be put in a position like they were in the middle of the last century again

Why can’t people understand that?

Israel is immensely powerful, no country has a stronger relationship with the USA, there is no threat to Israels very existence, Iran etc is not going to do anything as they know America would obliterate them for touching Israel

The threat to Israel is grossly exaggerated, just because Hamas would like to drive them into the sea ,doesn't mean they can

batman75

eskimohunt wrote: »

There is no "razing" of Gaza. Gaza exists - and has had her own destiny controlled since 2005.

From that point, the Gazan Arab population chose, via a democratic election, Islamic extremism - levelling the prospect of constructive negotiations with Israel.

Second, as I have demonstrated, there is no link between settlements and rockets. Because, even in cases where no settlements existed, rocket attacks still took place.

If Israel wanted, it could withdraw all settlements from the West Bank in a relatively short space of time - as it did with Gazan settlements.

But that can only take place if a non-genocidal and non-aggressive form of politics takes hold among the Palestinian population / leadership.

That cannot take place as long as an extremist Jihadist organization (Hamas) is in control of Gaza (and Fatah are not that much better in the West Bank) and who, incidentally, have been putting off democratic elections in Gaza for many, many years now.

If you really believe Gaza controls it's own destiny why doesn't it have a port and airport?
Israeli withdrawals from occupied territories has nothing to do with any non aggression pact by Palestine. The settlements are illegal full stop.

topdecko

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

That's the kernel of it.


As horrible as it is I never quite understood the Irish bond with Palestine. In Yemen for example, another sectarian conflict, over 140,000 (if you include non direct the UN have number over 200000)have died in recent years but you never hear a thing.

There are multiple parallels between the Irish struggles against British occupation and the Palestinian struggle. Both identify strongly with each other in a way that supersedes race and religion etc. Balfour caused havoc here in Ireland as well as laying the seeds for the modern conflict in his crappy declaration.
The Black and Tans were also unleashed on Palestine in the 1930s by Winston Churchill to quell an uprising there after honing their craft in Ireland.

The fact that awful things are happening in Yemen is not a reason to devalue the sympathies many have for the plight of the Palestinian people.

Odhinn

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

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As horrible as it is I never quite understood the Irish bond with Palestine. In Yemen for example, another sectarian conflict, over 140,000 (if you include non direct the UN have number over 200000)have died in recent years but you never hear a thing.

It's the colonisation of the occupied territories. Strikes a nerve.

My name is URL

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Has anyone ever come across a Mark Humphries on Twitter with respect of this conflict ?

Makes Eoghan Harris seem perfectly normal , complete weirdo and a cultish defense of IDF actions

He's been at it for yonks. Absolute clown of a man in real life too

edit: see he has a Parler account linked on Twtter now. Says it all