Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

You are disappointed that the EU isn't siding with an extremist Jihadist organization that supports Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, and ISIS - and who have an openly genocidal modus operandi against Jewish people?

Really!?

It's clear you enjoy wearing your ignorance with pride (and the use of a racist slur in your username leaves no doubt) but perhaps if you read some books you might get educated on what the actual situation/history is in Israel/Palestine. It's not this fantasy world you are inventing for yourself where Israel is the good guy. You have continued to ignore the origins of this conflict and the forced removal of 700,000 Arab Palestinians from their homes by the emerging Israeli state in 1948/49. Pure and utter ignorance.

namloc1980

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1393527449024012293

Targeting media outlets is a classic terrorist tactic.

Housefree

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Excellent news that both the EU and the White House have given support to Israel in their right to defend their population from the terrorist groups in Gaza.

Only the foolish and gullible sorts would think otherwise.

Disappointing they support apartheid

Human Rights Watch: Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Israeli Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid
'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

Palestinians live under constant human rights abuses
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

SADAKA Mission: ‘To promote and maximise support for changes in Ireland’s domestic and foreign policies which advance the achievement of self-determination and other fundamental rights of the Palestinian people.’
https://www.sadaka.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them
https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

Cheerful S

Cheerful S wrote: »

Would western governments tolerate a similar affair example Armed Arab soldiers arrived at Vatican city churches, went in and attacked peaceful Christen protestors and making arrests?

Why do you find it acceptable for the Israeli defense forces to do this?

Let's assume the premise of your argument is correct, how would that justify the threat of imminent war by Hamas (10 May, 6pm deadline) - and thousands of rockets fired onto innocent Israeli civilians thereafter?

If you can do the logical work for me, I'd appreciate it.

igCorcaigh

namloc1980 wrote: »

Targeting media outlets is a classic terrorist tactic.

You would have to wonder why they choose to target media outlets.
That's a war crime.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's clear you enjoy wearing your ignorance with pride (and the use of a racist slur in your username leaves no doubt) but perhaps if you read some books you might get educated on what the actual situation/history is in Israel/Palestine. It's not this fantasy world you are inventing for yourself where Israel is the good guy. You have continued to ignore the origins of this conflict and the forced removal of 700,000 Arab Palestinians from their homes by the emerging Israeli state in 1948/49. Pure and utter ignorance.

All you do is sensationally insult people with empty accusations, false interpretations / motivations, coupled with emotional gestures - all because they do not align with your perspective on the question.

It's simply not worth engaging with that level of juvenile argument.

In fact, it's not even an argument at all. It's just feelings and self-righteous indignation.

Housefree

Italian Dockers Stop Arms Shipment to Israel in Solidarity with Palestine

https://www.leftvoice.org/italian-dockers-stop-arms-shipment-to-israel-in-solidarity-with-palestine

The power of trade unions, don't forget the part our own Dunne's Stores workers played in South African Apartheid

namloc1980

igCorcaigh wrote: »

You would have to wonder why they choose to target media outlets.
That's a war crime.

Israel don't concern themselves with what is or is not a war crime.

cameramonkey

cameramonkey wrote: »

Irish government calling out Israel for their attacks on children. Demolishing their lies about it being collatoral damage.

Sure, I bet the Israelis are retreating in abject fear at the prospect of another condemnatory tweet from Simon Coveney.

The IDF can barely sleep at night worrying about Simon Coveney.

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

All you do is sensationally insult people with empty accusations, false interpretations / motivations, coupled with emotional gestures - all because they do not align with your perspective on the question.

It's simply not worth engaging with that level of juvenile argument.

In fact, it's not even an argument at all. It's just feelings and self-righteous indignation.

So you can't or don't want to understand the origins of the conflict. Fair enough. It's very clear from your posts you have little understanding of the issues at play here. Best put you ignore if you continue to choose this path of ignorance.

Cheerful S

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I thought Hamas were sunni ?

seems odd they would look to Iran ?

Hamas is at war with Israel. Iran is the number one enemy for Israel. There common cause to support Hamas fight.

There no bad blood between them, factions in Syria actively supported by UAE and Saudi Arabia hate Iran. Arab- Muslim faiths seems to not factor at all for Gaza.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are disappointed that the EU isn't siding with an extremist Jihadist organization that supports Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, and ISIS -

You are confused here. Those organisations do not exist in Palestine. They did exist in Syria recently where they were on the side of those wishing Assad overthrown.

and who have an openly genocidal modus operandi against Jewish people?

Really!?

The state of Israel has 200 nukes, and the 3rd largest army in the world. That’s the real danger, and of course plenty of Israeli politicians have called for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs in Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/

Nearly half of Jewish Israelis agree that Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel, and a solid majority (79 percent) maintain that Jews in Israel should be given preferential treatment, according to a Pew Research Center in Israel survey published on Tuesday.

With that kind of support it’s probably going to happen sooner or later.

cameramonkey

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1393488723153666049

More targeting of families by Isreal. In this case only one family member survived, a two-month-old boy.
People who support these terror attacks need to have a good think about their morals.

Signore Fancy Pants

eskimohunt wrote: »

True, there are tenant-landlord conflicts over Sheikh Jarrah - but that does not justify Hamas firing thousands of rockets into Israel (over 850 rockets alone on 12 May, and a further 200 that landed on Gazan people).

Israel did limit access to the Al Aqsa mosque. However, 70,000 attended the final Friday Prayers of Ramadan and, after the prayers were done, Palestinians threw rocks and other missiles at Israeli police forces. The Israeli police force had no choice but to defend itself with tear gas and rubber bullets.

Hamas then demanded that Israel remove its forces from the Al Aqsa mosque by 6pm on the 10 May. Hamas has no right to threaten Israel with a deadline such as this. As expected, the deadline passed and, within minutes, hundreds of rockets were fired all throughout Israel.

Israel responded accordingly.

Let's not also forget that Hamas deliberately fires rockets from densely populated civilian areas, knowing full well that, if Israel were to respond, it would lead to civilian casualties that they can profit from as propaganda. Hamas is the one indiscriminately killing, or trying to at least, Israel citizens - women and children, too. There is video footage of this all throughout social media, with local people and those in apartments shouting "Allah hu Akhbar".

So you pick and choose which parts of the story you prefer. Whilst the skeleton of the story you gave is broadly accurate, the meat on the bone was missing - which I've kindly provided it above.

I know you feel like you understand what is going on and others here haven't a clue.

There is a distinct difference between people who are knowledgeable about the issues and others with an opinion once it becomes topical. It seems you may be in the latter category. You are very simplistic in your narratives which means you have no real depth of knowledge of the situation. It is evident with the "tenant-landlord conflicts" explanation which must have come from Wikipedia. And that is fine, we don't know everything.

The reality is that it is not that simple, you have either ignored the central tenets which have led to the current uptick in conflict or you are just "pro-Israel" and are not open to acknowledging the reasons for Palestinian and indeed the Hamas response.

With all due respect, the "meat" of context you have provided is merely a slice, you have not even reached the fillet. You are attempting to explain away a singular event and apportioning blame without applying reason nor interrogating the holistic dynamics which are at play.

While quoting the number of rockets Hamas utilises, you fail to acknowledge that Israel has multi-layered mitigation measures such as air defence, early warning systems and sufficient civilian shelters. This is relevant as Hamas rockets are generally rudimentary, inaccurate, man operated, a finite supply and have short ranges.

In comparison, Israel is one of the best-equipped militaries in the world. It has advanced standoff targeting systems and unlimited precision-guided munitions. People in Gaza do not have the luxury of air defence or substantial shelters. The threat is firmly on the Palestinian side, less so on the Israeli side.

Nevertheless, any Hamas response will always incur Palestinian casualties/fatalities and that is generally true of any insurgent group.

Israel and Hamas are to blame for the current escalation. Neither is blame-free, both are to blame but Isreal is the one refusing to de-escalate after calls from the international community.

If you cant see that...well...

cnocbui

I saw on the news last night that the objective of this whole deadly exercise has been achieved. Netanyahu is to remain as Prime Minister of Israel for the forseeable future, the mandate for the opposition leader to form a government has been withdrawn and any idea of another election has been put on the back burner.

It never ceases to surprise me the absolute lack of humanity possessed by power hungry people who are prepared to sacrifice hundreds of lives to cling to power. the generals in Myanmar, Bibi - no different.

cameramonkey

eskimohunt wrote: »

Sure, I bet the Israelis are retreating in abject fear at the prospect of another condemnatory tweet from Simon Coveney.

The IDF can barely sleep at night worrying about Simon Coveney.

I doubt they are but at least the Irish government has called Israel out for the abhorrent and immoral actions. It is a start.

cnocbui

cnocbui wrote: »

I saw on the news last night that the objective of this whole deadly exercise has been achieved. Netanyahu is to remain as Prime Minister of Israel for the forseeable future, the mandate for the opposition leader to form a government has been withdrawn and any idea of another election has been put on the back burner.

It never ceases to surprise me the absolute lack of humanity possessed by power hungry people who are prepared to sacrifice hundreds of lives to cling to power. the generals in Myanmar, Bibi - no different.

This is clearly it. Netanyahu was in trouble. He ordered the troops to the mosque anticipating a conflict and got one. Now he’s PM again and free from investigation.

Cheerful S

eskimohunt wrote: »

Let's assume the premise of your argument is correct, how would that justify the threat of imminent war by Hamas (10 May, 6pm deadline) - and thousands of rockets fired onto innocent Israeli civilians thereafter?

If you can do the logical work for me, I'd appreciate it.

Israel forces stormed a Mosque , with full combat gear. Have they no right to be there for prayer?

Israel not stupid, entering this holy sites is intentional to annoy those inside and bully. Hamas gave them the warning to get out and they ignored it. Least the said what they’re doing is not good and please do the right thing and remove your forces from the grounds of the Mosque. Warning it not a bad thing it gives the other side a chance to pull back and respect the wishes of the other side.

cameramonkey

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-chief-said-to-blame-far-right-lawmaker-ben-gvir-for-internal-intifada/

Israeli police chief putting the blame for the unrest squarely on Zionist ethno nationalists. The people stoking up tensions leading up to all these killings are zionist who wish to cleanse the land further for more settelment.s

Housefree

cameramonkey wrote: »

I doubt they are but at least the Irish government has called Israel out for the abhorrent and immoral actions. It is a start.

I wouldn't put much fait in Simon Coveney who is a friend of Israel. Fine Gael are the only Irish party who opposed the Occupied Territories Bill

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Territories_Bill

Signore Fancy Pants

eskimohunt wrote: »

Sure, I bet the Israelis are retreating in abject fear at the prospect of another condemnatory tweet from Simon Coveney.

The IDF can barely sleep at night worrying about Simon Coveney.

Again, you are exposing your ignorance.

Minister Coveney is Irelands Minister for Foreign Affairs. He speaks on behalf of the Irish Government for international matters. We are part of the European Union and the United Nations Security Council.

Minister Coveney's comment holds weight on three levels, unilaterally from Ireland and multilaterally by proxy as the EU and the UN.

Again, singularity appears to be your issue.

Mimon

cameramonkey wrote: »

I doubt they are but at least the Irish government has called Israel out for the abhorrent and immoral actions. It is a start.

Yes it will have little practical effect on it's own but it is hugely symbolic. It may have a practical effect if other countries leaders followed suit.

olestoepoke

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Yes, of course, but maybe you inadvertently left out "Israeli children`s lives matter"

You probably just forgot,

Didn`t you?

Oh yes of course, goes without saying that all innocent children lives matter, however, if you take a look at the statistics there have been a lot more Palestinian children killed in comparison.

cameramonkey

Housefree wrote: »

I wouldn't put much fait in Simon Coveney who is a friend of Israel. Fine Gael are the only Irish party who opposed the Occupied Territories Bill

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Territories_Bill

You are correct in the long term. It would be better to vote in a government that is more friendly to the Palestinians. However, his statement goes further than most western governments and is welcome.

olestoepoke

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Isn't it noticeable how movies have been made about Ww2 ( endless number), ditto Vietnam, we've had movies about Northern Ireland, Cambodia,

Nothing ever made about the Israeli Palestinian conflict?

Who controls Hollywood?

Signore Fancy Pants

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I thought Hamas were sunni ?

seems odd they would look to Iran ?

Iran has funded Hamas for a long time. The name 'Hamas' itself is derived from the 'Islamic Resistance Movement', on par with Iranian goals.

Hamas and Iran have used Syria as a proxy strategic cooperation ground for a number of years, however, also have leadership within Iran. Palestinian groups including Hamas have been trained in Hezbollah areas including in Lebanon.

Hamas also uses Iranian made Grad missiles against Isreal.

igCorcaigh

And the tower is gone.

namloc1980

IDF just destroyed the building housing some international media in Gaza. This is terrorism and an attempt to silence any media scrutiny of the atrocities they are committing in Gaza.

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Cheerful S

Israel took down an entire tower block and now collapsed. Can even see the missile falling towards its target at the base of the structure.

-10.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVDpdvHlf20

Housefree

cameramonkey wrote: »

You are correct in the long term. It would be better to vote in a government that is more friendly to the Palestinians. However, his statement goes further than most western governments and is welcome.

Hopefully it's a change within Fine Gael, guess its hard to defend after the Human Rights Report declaring Israel Apartheid.