Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

cameramonkey

Cheerful S wrote: »

Israel took down an entire tower block and now collapsed. Can even see the missile falling towards its target at the base of the structure.

-10.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVDpdvHlf20

Amazing that they can be so accurate when they are attacking the worlds media but when they are murdering women and children it is always a mistake.

tayto lover

And the murderous IDF continues to take innocent life unabated.
The new Nazis continue with their campaign to rid the area of Palestinians.
Hopefully the Arab world will take them down eventually.

jackboy

tayto lover wrote: »

And the murderous IDF continues to take innocent life unabated.
The new Nazis continue with their campaign to rid the area of Palestinians.
Hopefully the Arab world will take them down eventually.

What do you mean by ‘take them down’?

SafeSurfer

Does anyone know if the state of Israel compensates the people who’s homes it destroys or for example will compensate Al Jazera and the Associated Press for destroying their Gaza offices?

Cheerful S

cameramonkey wrote: »

Amazing that they can be so accurate when they are attacking the worlds media but when they are murdering women and children it is always a mistake.

Israel does roof knocks with light explosives before they wreck a building. They do warn, people still inside to get out. Still very difficult to avoid killing people when dropping missiles around an urban area. You can see even on the live feed people standing on rooftops at the left corner of the screen. A Collapsing building is going to cause damage to buildings near by. A collapsing roof in another building could trap families underneath the debris. I don’t think Israel is going after civilians is just is impossible to avoid them in a dense city this large. Of course its also possible IDF does not care for loss of innocent life when the target is a high level figure.

I suspect a large volume of rockets will launch soon since this was a highly published attack.

Oat23

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Does anyone know if the state of Israel compensates the people who’s homes it destroys or for example will compensate Al Jazera and the Associated Press for destroying their Gaza offices?

Of course not. When they aren't at 'war' and demolish buildings it is because they are 'illegal constructions'. When they are at 'war' like right now they demolish buildings because they claim they house weapons or are a Hamas base.

They will probably claim they had intel the AP building was being used to store rockets or something. There's no other justifiable way to explain leveling it.

namloc1980

Oat23 wrote: »

Of course not. When they aren't at 'war' and demolish buildings it is because they are 'illegal constructions'. When they are at 'war' like right now they demolish buildings because they claim they house weapons or are a Hamas base.

They will probably claim they had intel the AP building was being used to store rockets or something. There's no other justifiable way to explain leveling it.

The IDF already claimed the building was being used by Hamas.

It's a handy excuse for them to have to allow them to demolish buildings and kill civilians with impunity, they just claim Hamas was there. Nobody can contradict it, so it's pretty much a green light to attack any building they want.

Itssoeasy

So I see others have mentioned the AP building in Gaza that was destroyed, but MSNBC are reporting that Israeli planes have hit a refugee camp killing 8 children which won’t help win over the hearts and minds of people. Of course that’s if you think that the Israeli state are bothered by what people think of their actions which it appears that don’t care at all.

wes

Oat23 wrote: »

Of course not. When they aren't at 'war' and demolish buildings it is because they are 'illegal constructions'. When they are at 'war' like right now they demolish buildings because they claim they house weapons or are a Hamas base.

They will probably claim they had intel the AP building was being used to store rockets or something. There's no other justifiable way to explain leveling it.

It should be noted that the Israeli gov will never provide proof, and often lie through their teeth.

cameramonkey

Cheerful S wrote: »

Israel does roof knocks with light explosives before they wreck a building. They do warn, people still inside to get out. Still very difficult to avoid killing people when dropping missiles around an urban area. You can see even on the live feed people standing on rooftops at the left corner of the screen. A Collapsing building is going to cause damage to buildings near by. A collapsing roof in another building could trap families underneath the debris. I don’t think Israel is going after civilians is just is impossible to avoid them in a dense city this large. Of course its also possible IDF does not care for loss of innocent life when the target is a high level figure.

I suspect a large volume of rockets will launch soon since this was a highly published attack.

what percentage of building that are destroyed gets these so called roof knocks?

Signore Fancy Pants

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Again, you are exposing your ignorance.

Minister Coveney is Irelands Minister for Foreign Affairs. He speaks on behalf of the Irish Government for international matters. We are part of the European Union and the United Nations Security Council.

Minister Coveney's comment holds weight on three levels, unilaterally from Ireland and multilaterally by proxy as the EU and the UN.

Again, singularity appears to be your issue.

You are spending more time constructing a structure of how I formulate my arguments, rather than actually engaging in the points I deliver.

Trust me, I'm well aware of Coveney's position and authority, and my sarcastic interpretation of his tweet is still with that in mind.

The same principle applies to your other, rather patronizing post, where you almost elevate your status as the font of all knowledge on the matter, rather than critically engaging with any of my core points.

wes

namloc1980 wrote: »

The IDF already claimed the building was being used by Hamas.

It's a handy excuse for them to have to allow them to demolish buildings and kill civilians with impunity, they just claim Hamas was there. Nobody can contradict it, so it's pretty much a green light to attack any building they want.

The presence of Hamas not justification enough btw. Hamas is the government so any civil servant can be "Hamas" if the IDF deems them to be.

They need to target combatants, and not just someone who is Hamas. The justification they provide is not enough to make an attack justified.

Basically, using the same logic, Hamas could target any member of the Israeli government, any who anything to do with the Israeli government, off duty IDF service members, and so on. If Hamas killed an member of the Likud party, the West would call it an act of terrorism.

wes

cameramonkey wrote: »

what percentage of building that are destroyed gets these so called roof knocks?

The roof knocks it should be noted doesn't make the destruction of civilian buildings any less of a war crime btw.

cameramonkey

namloc1980 wrote: »

The IDF already claimed the building was being used by Hamas.

It's a handy excuse for them to have to allow them to demolish buildings and kill civilians with impunity, they just claim Hamas was there. Nobody can contradict it, so it's pretty much a green light to attack any building they want.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-gaza-tower-housed-hamas-military-assets-terror-group-used-press-as-human-shields/

horseshoe22

Cheerful S wrote: »

Israel took down an entire tower block and now collapsed. Can even see the missile falling towards its target at the base of the structure.

-10.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVDpdvHlf20

Thanks for that, an example of clinical targeting, note how buildings a couple of yards away with residents remain untouched.
Compare this to the indiscriminate rocket fire from the terrorists

Tyrone212

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Thanks for that, an example of clinical targeting, note how buildings a couple of yards away with residents remain untouched.
Compare this to the indiscriminate rocket fire from the terrorists

The Israelis have killed 39 children this week. Must be intentional then going by your logic. Very cold and callous.

horseshoe22

horseshoe22 wrote: »

Thanks for that, an example of clinical targeting, note how buildings a couple of yards away with residents remain untouched.
Compare this to the indiscriminate rocket fire from the terrorists

Precisely.

We had a vile defense of Hamas' use of thousands of rockets on the basis that Israel was well-equipped to handle it.

Say that to the families of those who have been murdered by Hamas' rockets - including many Gazan families (remember 200 rockets fired by Hamas has stupidly landed in Gaza, killing Palestinians - that's how much Hamas cares about the lives of Palestinians).

The video you refer to could not be more clinical. What's more, is that Israel tells the affected civilian population to stay away from the target zone.

Neither of these two phenomena would take place if you believed the "evil Israel" narrative all too commonly pushed by left-wing adherents who only listen to and read from sources that align with their own narrow perspective.

wes

https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1393511321673535491?s=20

Another IDF war crime, with one survivor.

The IDF is a terrorist organization and needs to be treat as one.

wes

wes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1393511321673535491?s=20

Another IDF war crime, with one survivor.

Same old, same old.

Where are the photos of Israeli victims / deceased over the past 2-weeks / 20-years?

Where are the photos of the victims of Hamas rockets that killed Palestinians in Gaza?

Photos are very emotive - and are deployed for propagandistic reasons, hence why you never see photos of the destruction wrought by Hamas on a personal level from the opposite side.

wes

Trade unions standing up for what is right in this world:
https://twitter.com/irishcongress/status/1393549821101887488?s=20

A lot of people **** on unions, but the fact we have a weekend is thanks to them.

namloc1980

wes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1393511321673535491?s=20

Another IDF war crime, with one survivor.

The IDF is a terrorist organization and needs to be treat as one.

Clinical according to the apologists. Clinical at murdering civilians.

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

Same old, same old.

Where are the photos of Israeli victims / deceased over the past 2-weeks / 20-years?

Where are the photos of the victims of Hamas rockets that killed Palestinians in Gaza?

Photos are very emotive - and are deployed for propagandistic reasons, hence why you never see photos of the destruction wrought by Hamas on a personal level from the opposite side.

Israel has killed more Palestinians in the last 2 days from air strikes than Hamas has killed Israelis in the last 20 years from rockets. Israeli action is totally and utterly disproportionate.

Neither of these two phenomena would take place if you believed the "evil Israel" narrative all too commonly pushed by left-wing adherents who only listen to and read from sources that align with their own narrow perspective.

Most of the world hates Israel. It’s hardly just the left. And the narrow perspective is all yours.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Clinical according to the apologists. Clinical at murdering civilians.

In war, no matter how clinical you are, some innocent victims will fall through the net. That's just a harsh and uncomfortable reality.

On the scale of being clinical, we can quite clearly see that Israel is being as clinical as is militarily possible.

Israel could easily give no warning to target sites, if they wished - maximizing mortality.

But they do give warnings, to avoid civilian death as much as possible.

In contrast, Hamas give no warnings and fire rockets precisely because they want to cause as much civilian death as possible.

Not military targets, civilian targets.

Quite amazing how Hamas, a Jihadi organization, is given a clear path by many on this thread. Amazingly myopic.

fvp4 wrote: »

Most of the world hates Israel. It’s hardly just the left. And the narrow perspective is all yours.

That's because most of the world is anti-Semitic.

wes

Another photo of the baby the IDF terrorists tried to murder:
https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1393569515108188160?s=20

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same old, same old.

Where are the photos of Israeli victims / deceased over the past 2-weeks / 20-years?

Where are the photos of the victims of Hamas rockets that killed Palestinians in Gaza?

Fox news? CNN? MSNBC?

Photos are very emotive - and are deployed for propagandistic reasons, hence why you never see photos of the destruction wrought by Hamas on a personal level from the opposite side.

A few rusty rockets landing in the desert.

wes

Video of protest from the UK:
https://twitter.com/a_leesha1/status/1393569836878475264?s=20

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's because most of the world is anti-Semitic.

Yeh, even countries that have never had a Jewish population? And no history of anti-semitism?

Most of the world is reacting to what they see.

completedit

The scourge of nationalism, tribalism and human irrationality strikes again. It doesn't matter what happened 1000 years ago, 100 years ago, 60 years ago, 10 years ago, what matters is the people there now. History provides context but no solution. What's done is done and something has to be done so people in that region don't suffer.

Tyrone212

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same old, same old.

Where are the photos of Israeli victims / deceased over the past 2-weeks / 20-years?

Where are the photos of the victims of Hamas rockets that killed Palestinians in Gaza?

Photos are very emotive - and are deployed for propagandistic reasons, hence why you never see photos of the destruction wrought by Hamas on a personal level.

That's your response to a picture of baby being pulled from the rubble after 8 other children died in that attack. "Same old, same old" Same old indeed given how many kids Israel have killed this week.

What a disturbed individual you are, zero empathy. Child killer apologist and sycophant. You're not even worth engaging with as you turn my stomach. Messed up.