Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Biker79

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

By kicking them out of thier homes to give to people of the Jewish faith? By forcing them into smaller enclaves? By refusing them the rights to fish and feed thier families? By refusing them basic medical care? By blocking deliveries of vaccines?

If you're prepared to swallow these tabloid headlines wholesale...that's your business.

Housefree

Biker79 wrote: »

Doesn't have to be that way though - Israel is the only liberal democracy capable of bringing increased living standards to its neighbours. If only certain groups were able to engage and negotiate...

Odhinn

Biker79 wrote: »

And if they didn't retaliate, they would be overrun by every ISIS terrorist in the region.

Such is the zero sum game of middle eastern conflict.

Doesn't have to be that way though - Israel is the only liberal democracy capable of bringing increased living standards to its neighbours. If only certain groups were able to engage and negotiate...

Why does a "liberal democracy" deprive millions under its power a vote?

Timberrrrrrrr

Biker79 wrote: »

If you're prepared to swallow these tabloid headlines wholesale...that's your business.

Are you saying Israel does not do the things I have posted?

Odhinn

Biker79 wrote: »

If you're prepared to swallow these tabloid headlines wholesale...that's your business.

No tabloids here
https://www.btselem.org/topic/jerusalem


https://www.btselem.org/topic/settlements

end of the road

Pussyhands wrote: »

I see a lot of people commenting online supporting Palestineans supporting Hamas terrorists. "wouldn't you support them if your family was killed too?"

I wonder how supportive these people are of ISIS beheading Americans or gunning down people in France. Or I wonder how supportive these people would be of Iraq dropping bombs on the US or UK?

Just like Irish people like the glorify the IRA and use their quotes "Thatcher has to be lucky every time, we only have to be lucky once", Palestine can lose every time, Israel can only lose once.

I stand with Israel and it's right to defend itself from terrorists!

do you stand with israel because you genuinely stand with them, or is it because they aren't a muslim state?


anyway, the state you stand with isn't defending itself from terrorists, since if it was then it's behaviour would only amount to doing that.
instead it amounts to terrorism, land theft, colonisation, apartheid, and racism.

Biker79

Is someone quoting AOC and expecting to be taken seriously?

Good Lord.

Overheal

Biker79 wrote: »

Is someone quoting AOC and expecting to be taken seriously?

Good Lord.

Dodge dodge dodge - do a barrel roll!

Timberrrrrrrr

Biker79 wrote: »

Is someone quoting AOC and expecting to be taken seriously?

Good Lord.

Says the one quoting the I.D.F in defence of the Israeli murders of children.

Signore Fancy Pants

namloc1980 wrote: »

Hezbollah are stuck in the Syrian civil war in support of Assad. They wouldn't have the capacity to fight multiple fronts and are playing a longer game in Syria to increase their, and Irans, influence there.

Not entirely true, while it was true a number of years ago but since 2018 they have pulled back most of their fighters.

It's mainly advisors and mid level commanders now, a nominal amount from its peak. They have mostly been supplemented by "Syrian Hizbullah", who are really just locals controlling the Hizbullah drugs empire.

UDAWINNER

Biker79 wrote: »

If you're prepared to swallow these tabloid headlines wholesale...that's your business.

Are you saying that they don't rob land off palestinians, loads of cases.
As for the vaccine, they control what goes in to gaza, they could have shown an ounce of humanity and gave the vaccines to them, but they didn't

wes

BTW, IDF head quarters in is downtown Tel Aviv, does this make it OK for Hamas to attack Tel Aviv now? This is the logic for those who agree with IDF war crimes. They can't even be consistent in their own logic.

Also, from what I have read, Israeli army radio is located in a residential building, with Antenna on residential buildings. Is it ok for Hamas to attack those building? If you agree with IDFs actions, please explain why one is ok, but not the other?

end of the road

Biker79 wrote: »

Just to be clear - deliberately left in harms way by Hamas, for their own political gain.

but still deliberately struck by israel who are known for bombing children deliberately.

Signore Fancy Pants

nacho libre wrote: »

Well, that is of course a major factor too, but even before their involvement in Syria, they were reluctant to take on Israel again. Israel is doing a lot of damage to Iran and Hezbollah in Syria, but no doubt some advanced Iranian weapons are making their way to Hezbollah.

Hizbullah were not reluctant to take on Israel, Hizbullah were acting in their strategic interests by gaining a political foothold in key Lebanese Ministries.

Thats what gives Huzbullah the power, the State of Lebanon has been attempting to control Hizbullahs military wing, as it has been the proxy Lebanese military for decades.

Lebanon wants an organic military response to conflict, not a proxy who is funded by an external actor.

Prior to 2017, Israel inflicted high Hizbullah casualties in Syria, not so much since then.

Overheal

Biker79 wrote: »

Just to be clear - deliberately left in harms way by Hamas, for their own political gain.

What's your proof?

Did they usher children up to the roofs after the knock warnings?

Sadler Peak

Overheal wrote: »

Israel doesn’t get to be called Liberal. No way no how. It is engaged in ethnic cleansing and conferring unique rights to citizens of a particular faith. It’s patently illiberal. Pull another.

Fear of ISIS is not a reason to bomb Gazans. One is not the other. Fear is not a justification for genocide.

Israel does have to fear genocide. The chant ' from the river to the sea Palestine will be free ' screams it.

Both would do it to each other if they got half a chance.

cnocbui

Biker79 wrote: »

Is someone quoting AOC and expecting to be taken seriously?

Good Lord.

A minute ago you were championing Israel as a 'liberal democracy' Guess what; AOC was elected in a sort of democracy and her voice has validity via the almost democratic process which elected her.

cnocbui

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Israel does have to fear genocide. The chant ' from the river to the sea Palestine will be free ' screams it.

Both would do it to each other if they got half a chance.

If you were to do a body count since 1946, the only people with any valid claim to a danger of being victims of genocide are the Palestinians - by a huge margin.

Overheal

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Israel does have to fear genocide. The chant ' from the river to the sea Palestine will be free ' screams it.

Both would do it to each other if they got half a chance.

If Israel fears death chants why does it practice death chants:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-death-to-arabs-palestinians-need-protection-from-israel-s-racist-jewish-thugs-1.9747860

Why are the death chants a good reason to bomb children?

wes

Another war crime:
https://twitter.com/MSF/status/1393868206566223872?s=20

Games rise up! Joking aside, gaming media now asking people to donate to Palestinian victims. First time I have seen anything like that. Usually Palestinian suffering is ignored. Good to see the tide slowly change:
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1393363274436157441?s=20

https://twitter.com/GameSpot/status/1393603829464289282?s=20

https://twitter.com/gameinformer/status/1393703251304980482?s=20

wes

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Israel does have to fear genocide. The chant ' from the river to the sea Palestine will be free ' screams it.

Except it doesn't. Decolonization is not the same as genocide.

Colonization on the other hand, always involved genocide.

When, the British left India, it was not a genocide of British people.

In the case of Israeli's they have no where else to go, so a simple solution is for equal rights for all regardless of race.

tayto lover

Overheal wrote: »

If Israel fears death chants why does it practice death chants:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-death-to-arabs-palestinians-need-protection-from-israel-s-racist-jewish-thugs-1.9747860

Why are the death chance a good reason to bomb children

Just looking at the News and the Israelis are continuing with their murderous campaign unabated. Two more innocent families wiped out. Another media building levelled too.
The Israelis are fast becoming the most hated people in the world.

Mad_maxx

Housefree wrote: »

Apartheid being called out on mainstream US channel, this is a big move forward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDIVtKKsPs0

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution.

Israels Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid
'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

apparently the broadcaster is Canadian but its still a pretty big deal on a mainstream news channel , took courage too , he will face a lot of hostility for that broadcast

Overheal

CNN grilling IDF as well https://www.mediaite.com/tv/can-you-show-us-the-evidence-cnns-stelter-confronts-idf-spokesman-for-proof-hamas-operated-out-of-gaza-building-hit-by-airstrike/

Mad_maxx

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Israel does have to fear genocide. The chant ' from the river to the sea Palestine will be free ' screams it.

Both would do it to each other if they got half a chance.

ISIS would probably kill hundreds of millions of americans if given the chance but there is more chance of Syria putting a man on Mars in the next five years

its irrelevant what certain Pallestinian extremists might wish to do to their neighbours , they do not have the slightest capacity to achieve same , swallowing that line gives licence to Israel to respond with open ended force

tayto lover

Mad_maxx wrote: »

apparently the broadcaster is Canadian but its still a pretty big deal on a mainstream news channel , took courage too , he will face a lot of hostility for that broadcast

Excellent.
Great to see the murderous Israeli state being called out at last.
Fair play to that journalist.

wes

Despite what extremists say, co-existence between the 2 communities is possible:
https://twitter.com/omdimbeyachad/status/1393961136953901057?s=20

Here is the auto-translation from twitter:

More than 100 protest centers around the country
Purple circle Thousands of Arabs and Jews took to the streets against violence and war, for the common interests of the majority.
Purple circle We are building a large Jewish-Arab movement to end the occupation, for civic and national equality, for social justice. A movement that will make a difference here.

For WhatsApp updates
https://t.co/CTmIPOg8dI?amp=1

I would say co-existence is essential to put an end to this conflict once and for all.

Biker79

What exactly is apartheid?

Its a toxic byword for racism. It didn't start off like that however. Its meaning is ' separateness ' in Afrikaans, and it recognizes that in practical terms two groups of people/ two tribes may be so different in customs and culture, that its more practical to live independently.

Of course, over time it turned out ugly in South Africa and had to be dismantled - rightly so. But its intentions were not 'racist' from the beginning. You could argue that the SA authorities should have seen how it would turn out but I don't think they knew. They didn't expect mass migration from sub Saharan Africa through porous borders, for example, which happened due to the very success of their economic polices. So, it was demographics that brought that situation to a resolution.

How does this apply to Israel? Well, it doesn't really - not with the accepted sense of the word. Despite attempts by the Woke media to brainwash us with their hyperbolic rhetoric - Israel is the most diverse tolerant country in the region. But unlike SA, it has to deal with numerous groups who are extremely hostile to its existence. Its a situation unlike any other in the world, much less South Africa.

It must be tempting to apply a policy of ' separateness ' when surrounded by so many groups with hostile intentions. Its a mark of Israel's values, IMHO, that they strive to be liberal and democratic, despite having good reasons not to be.

Pussyhands

Overheal wrote: »

What evidence is there Hamas used the building?

Israel destroyed media equipment. Their capacity to report has been greatly diminished. Israel doesn’t want the world to see Gaza

Are you asking Israel to release to the public how they discovered Hamas was based there?

Joe Biden was pretty happy with their rationale.

Pussyhands

Donald Trump wrote: »

So we can put all these people into the same bucket because they might be all Muslim? any Palestinian child blasted to smithereens by a missile tonight is guilty by association of those other crimes. Sorry little Hamid - a black Muslim fella attacked some people in France a few years ago so you're just going to have to take your punishment

Where did I say they were linked?

The situations are similar though.

Little Mohammed in Syria saw his parents killed by the US/EU. He then turns into a terrorists and wants to kill innocent people. By most peoples reasoning here, you'd be fine with little Mohammed growing up and murdering your mother if she was sitting in a France theatre.