Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

cnocbui

political analyst wrote: »

The Israeli airstrikes are aimed at Hamas. The airstrikes are not intended to kill civilians. The airstrikes are taking place because Hamas fired rockets at Israel.

..and the rockets were fired because Netanyahu wanted to stay in power so he deliberately had Palestinians attacked in the Al-Aqsa mosque. Not to mention the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestian families from Jerusalem in order to give free houses to settlers by stealing them from their legitimate owners.

Strumms

US again refused to condem Israel, won’t put their name to a unilateral response even... grim.

Protests worldwide against Israel. This grim hold Israel seems to have on the
US and it’s leaders is sickening.

Trump tried to silence criticism of Israel trying to dress it up as antisemitism...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/11/donald-trump-antisemitism-israel-colleges-order

cnocbui

A third of the US foreign aid budget goes to Israel.

Although Israel is an "advanced, industrialized, technologically sophisticated country," it "receives more U.S. aid per capita annually than the total annual [Gross Domestic Product] per capita of several Arab states." Approximately a third of the entire U.S. foreign aid budget goes to Israel, "even though Israel comprises just...one-thousandth of the world's total population, and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."

Killing Palestinian civillians is a tax deductible expense for US based jews:

more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.

https://www.wrmea.org/congress-u.s.-aid-to-israel/u.s.-financial-aid-to-israel-figures-facts-and-impact.html

agoodpunt

https://www.dw.com/en/who-is-hamas/a-57537872

Them crazy rocketeers fire from family apartmant blocks in the hope the retalation will kill its ocupants

SafeSurfer

carlirl wrote: »

This is some slap-down for the antisemites..... as can be seen on the faces of the Palestine UN contingent

https://twitter.com/i/status/1393136255001632768

How trustworthy is this guy, whose testimony against the Palestinian Authority from 2017 is suddenly appearing all over the internet?

He worked undercover for Israeli intelligence for years. Became an evangelical Christian. Was granted asylum in the US and has called for, among other things, the Koran to be banned in the United States.

Not the most impartial or agenda less observer.

batman75

batman75 wrote: »

I don't see a resolution as long as the US funds and supports Israel. That has to stop. Then at that point Israel will be forced to deal with the Palestinian Authorities on an equal footing. Then you have the foundations for a possible deal.

So the thing to do here is to put pressure on our representatives to put pressure on the EU to pressure the US to pressure Israel! Otherwise they may have no incentive to seek peace and many argue here that Israel is benefiting from the violence. I`m not making any judgement either way - rather taking a pragmatic approach.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There are no long term solutions that both sides will agree to.

The two state solution is no longer viable because of the settlements in the west bank.

The one state solution is something that Isreal will never agree to.

Isreal is never going to value Palestinians in the same way as a Jewish person. And Palestinians are never going to renounce violence. And will keep blowing things up. This gives justification for Isreal to treat Palestinians like **** and ensure the hatred cycle goes on to another generation.

As long as Hamas are in charge of the Palestinians and far right governments in Isreal hold sway there is very little hope.

They absolutely hate each other. And really can you blame them with all that has gone on.

Depressing but seems like an accurate assessment. Breaking the cycle would involve giving the other side no excuse for violence. Or if either side benefits from violence then there must be incentive/disincentive from the international community to stop and find a peaceful solution.

namloc1980 wrote: »

A 1 state solution is not going to happen. Israel has a law that says only Jews have the right to national self determination in Israel. Israel does not believe non-Jews have the same rights as Jews. Also the demographics as they stand in a 1 state solution works out at a 50/50 population split, Israel would never agree to the possibility that Jews could become a minority in a single state. A single state would also require a massive mindset change among both populations, not going to happen for a long time - could take generations, if ever.

The idea of a 2 state solution is dying with every passing year as Israel builds more and more settlements in the West Bank, removing Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and remains an occupying military force making the lives of Palestinians a misery.

It's hard to see any path to a resolution. This conflict is about as intractable as it gets.

I wonder does Israel see itself as being 'in too deep' to take a softer, more reconciliatory approach if it even wanted to?

Fandymo

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Hamas are firing rockets at Israeli civilians from the cover of camps news buildings and apartments.
Israel is not supposed to do anything to stop the rocket fire?

So Hamas were firing rockets from the AP, Al Jazeera building without a single worker/journalist noticing?? Even the Israeli commander who was in charge of the bombing didn’t come up with such nonsense.

Fandymo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For balance, let's see what life is like for Israelis under constant bombardment from the ISIS-supporting Hamas:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1393603322947457024

Other cars driving along as if nothing is happening. It’s not going to win any Oscars.

agoodpunt

Israel is surrounded by ememies in that part of the world, when the west gets involved they get blamed for interferring but its ok when it suit certain side, Hamas is a terrorist org needs to show woman and children killed as propaganga against Israel who is not all innocent but more accountable and elected unlike Hamas who dont accept Israel as a state.

Piehead

What ever happened to the Sh’ite Immal militia? They seemed to be a regional force some years back

thomas 123

agoodpunt wrote: »

Israel is surrounded by ememies in that part of the world, when the west gets involved they get blamed for interferring but its ok when it suit certain side, Hamas is a terrorist org needs to show woman and children killed as propaganga against Israel who is not all innocent but more accountable and elected unlike Hamas who dont accept Israel as a state.

Again - was it Hamas evicting palastinians on the West Bank the last 40+ years?

Is it Hamas who knocks down the palastinian homes?

Is it Hamas who don’t fund schools in east Jerusalem unless they sign up to the Israeli curriculum?

namloc1980

agoodpunt wrote: »

Israel is surrounded by ememies in that part of the world, when the west gets involved they get blamed for interferring but its ok when it suit certain side, Hamas is a terrorist org needs to show woman and children killed as propaganga against Israel who is not all innocent but more accountable and elected unlike Hamas who dont accept Israel as a state.

Saying that Hamas is a terrorist organisation without the entire context is not giving the full story. What's the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist?

Also you say that Hamas don't recognize Israel. Well equally Israel doesn't recognize the State of Palestine even though 134 UN members do. Why not also call this out?

Pussyhands

Overheal wrote: »

According to who?

According to history.

Have you ever seen Israel send the first rocket?

zom

There will always be some "Hamas" for Israel to attack. If they get Final Solution to Palestinian Question by taking all their lands, "Hamas" will then move to near Lebanon probably. Then to Syria (if US/Turkey allow this) or Egypt.For Israel the only way to end violence in middle East is to conquer all their neighbors, and their neighbors neighbors...

JimmyVik

Maybe its just me but I keep thinking, stop launching missiles in case whoever you are firing them at fires some back at you.

Pussyhands

Once again, I will ask, all those defending Palestineans supporting Hamas....did you also support ISIS beheading American journalists?

Pussyhands

Fandymo wrote: »

So Hamas were firing rockets from the AP, Al Jazeera building without a single worker/journalist noticing?? Even the Israeli commander who was in charge of the bombing didn’t come up with such nonsense.

Hello buddy,

No they weren't firing rockets from there but they had an intelligence command center there....how surprising....a location with communications equipment would be used by Hamas.

Mimon

Pussyhands wrote: »

Once again, I will ask, all those defending Palestineans supporting Hamas....did you also support ISIS beheading American journalists?

Really, really, really strange comparison.

Hopefully no one answers because if you are asking stupid questions like this it reveals that you have zero understanding of the situation.

Pussyhands

Mimon wrote: »

Really, really, really strange comparison.

Hopefully no one answers because if you are asking stupid questions like this it reveals that you have zero understanding of the situation.

It's a very valid question.

If you support Palestineans being terrorists because "sure why wouldn't they when their parents are killed", then it's the exact same situation, except ISIS killed Europeans and Americans, not Jews.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Saying that Hamas is a terrorist organisation without the entire context is not giving the full story. What's the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist?

You tell us.

Is Hamas a terrorist organisation or not?

Hoboo

Pussyhands wrote: »

Once again, I will ask, all those defending Palestineans supporting Hamas....did you also support ISIS beheading American journalists?

No more than I support Israel blowing up schools with children in them.

If they don't want to kill children, why not not hit these so called Hamas safe houses at night, when kids aren't in them?

Answer: because Israel targets children.

timmyntc

Pussyhands wrote: »

Hello buddy,

No they weren't firing rockets from there but they had an intelligence command center there....how surprising....a location with communications equipment would be used by Hamas.

And where is your proof of this?

Oh right, there isn't any. Just wild speculation from a poster determined to find justification for the bombing of innocents

Hoboo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You tell us.

Is Hamas a terrorist organisation or not?

In the same way as the Israeli, British and US armies are. Modern day vikings.

Mimon

JimmyVik wrote: »

Maybe its just me but I keep thinking, stop launching missiles in case whoever you are firing them at fires some back at you.

If we rolled over during the War of Independence you would not be posting on Boards.ie as it would not exist.

People who are oppressed will turn to people who will resist the oppressors.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

You tell us.

Is Hamas a terrorist organisation or not?

Ah nice. Answering a question with a question. Classic diversionary tactics.

Unfortunately for you the world isn't black and white.

thomas 123

thomas 123 wrote: »

Again - was it Hamas evicting palastinians on the West Bank the last 40+ years?

Is it Hamas who knocks down the palastinian homes?

Is it Hamas who don’t fund schools in east Jerusalem unless they sign up to the Israeli curriculum?

Ignored convienently again. It’s useful to laud hamas as the big bad boogy man I guess.

namloc1980

timmyntc wrote: »

And where is your proof of this?

Oh right, there isn't any. Just wild speculation from a poster determined to find justification for the bombing of innocents

These posters 100% believe IDF propaganda. It's sad but that's the way they operate.

Mimon

Mimon wrote: »

If we rolled over during the War of Independence you would not be posting on Boards.ie as it would not exist.

People who are oppressed will turn to people who will resist the oppressors.

I'm no fan of Israel but that last line could be straight out of the 9/11 terrorist handbook.

Mad times. Horrible times. Unthinkable situation.

Trying to side with Israel or Hamas is like picking who I like the most out of Bill Cosby or Gary Glitter.

Pussyhands

Mimon wrote: »

If we rolled over during the War of Independence you would not be posting on Boards.ie as it would not exist.

People who are oppressed will turn to people who will resist the oppressors.

Did you support 9/11?

Did you support ISIS beheading American journalists?

Did you support the gunning down of Irish people on a Tunisian beach?

namloc1980

Pussyhands wrote: »

Did you support 9/11?

Did you support ISIS beheading American journalists?

Did you support the gunning down of Irish people on a Tunisian beach?

Ah the aul false equivalences are coming out now. Sign of desperation when 9/11 is being invoked.