Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Strumms

Pussyhands wrote: »

I mean, if you're against Israel because they're an apartheid regime, how can you support Palestine who wants to wipe Israel off the map?

Where do jews go?

Palestine have the sole aim of editing evicting Israeli people and Israeli forces from their land, land that Israel continues to take. Palestine want to liberate the land that the Israelis have stolen.

10 days ago the UN warned Israel that what they were doing was tantamount to war crimes...

The Israelis put in ‘settlers’ so any attempt by Palestine to use force shows them in a bad light.

Donald Trump

https://www.bbc.com/news/57102499

That kind of influence is very sinister.

Image from the article below. The picture on the left is the best image currently available via google maps. The image on the right is from Maxar which clearly shows the destroyed building.

Fandymo

Pussyhands wrote: »

I mean, if you're against Israel because they're an apartheid regime, how can you support Palestine who wants to wipe Israel off the map?

Where do jews go?

Any Jews with a claim to lands in the Middle East should be given a state. Any European or US Jews should be returned to sender. Israel wouldn’t need half as much land if the EU and Americans returned home.

thomas 123

Donald Trump wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/57102499

That kind of influence is very sinister.

Image from the article below. The picture on the left is the best image currently available via google maps. The image on the right is from Maxar which clearly shows the destroyed building.

95% of all take down requests made by Israel are honored(so boasted the Israeli government a few years back) I’d imagine this would be the same kettle of fish.

JimmyVik

Mimon wrote: »

If we rolled over during the War of Independence you would not be posting on Boards.ie as it would not exist.

People who are oppressed will turn to people who will resist the oppressors.

Luckily WE are actually only posting on boards and none of us were ever looking down the barrel of a gun or at a rocket coming towards us.

Strumms

If the Israelis tomorrow claimed all of Leinster as their own, because of some made up hokey, tried to invade it...using force, intimidation and murder...

If the irish state used force to defend its people and island against those trying to take the land and against those whose name it was taken....would that make us racist too ? Would that make us terrorists ?

If Israel attacked us tomorrow, would we be justified in attacking Israel ? I believe we would..100%... state of Israel was to attack us, our citizens, it’s war, all be it we’d loose but we be justified if we could, in attacking.

thomas 123

JimmyVik wrote: »

Luckily WE are actually only posting on boards and none of us were ever looking down the barrel of a gun or at a rocket coming towards us.

Or turfed out of our homes while some American is touring around wondering where he will put his stuff.

DerekC16

As of 2010 there were 14 million jews around the world. How does such a tiny amount of people have such a massive influence in almost every institution on Earth?

thomas 123

DerekC16 wrote: »

As of 2010 there were 14 million jews around the world. How does such a tiny amount of people have such a massive influence in almost every institution on Earth?

A very loaded question worthy of its own thread. Personally I put it down to them being a hard working decent people for the most part.

Pussyhands

Donald Trump wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/57102499

That kind of influence is very sinister.

Image from the article below. The picture on the left is the best image currently available via google maps. The image on the right is from Maxar which clearly shows the destroyed building.

One can only assume Google support Apartheid!

thomas 123

Pussyhands wrote: »

One can only assume Google support Apartheid!

Still waiting for your answers to my questions.

Of course you don’t have to answer anything but your opinions are appearing weaker and weaker.

Btw China also does not appear in detail on Google maps

Biker79

DerekC16 wrote: »

As of 2010 there were 14 million jews around the world. How does such a tiny amount of people have such a massive influence in almost every institution on Earth?

Ashkenazi jews constantly measure as having some of the highest IQs of any group/ country - ahead of China and Japan.

For such a relative small group of people, they are over represented in areas such as finance, entertainment business, physical sciences, computer science. Israel is at the forefront of military and security technology.

Donald Trump

Pussyhands wrote: »

One can only assume Google support Apartheid!

Did you bother reading the article?

The Article! wrote:

Until last year, the US government had placed a restriction on the quality of satellite images of Israel and the Palestinian territories that American companies were permitted to provide on a commercial basis.


This restriction was written into the Kyl-Bingaman Amendment (KBA) - US legislation dating back to 1997 - in support of Israeli security concerns.

If you look at an image of a random country road in Ireland, it is likely that is has 2021 as the date of capture. Google says it captures high population density areas more frequently ... they kinda just keep forgetting about Gaza even though that law is gone.

thomas 123

thomas 123 wrote: »

A very loaded question worthy of its own thread. Personally I put it down to them being a hard working decent people for the most part.

Do you honestly believe Jews to be any more hard working or decent than non Jews?

Genuine question.

thomas 123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you honestly believe Jews to be any more hard working or decent than non Jews?

Genuine question.

Yes!

I believe a lot of a persons life can be influenced by a strong religious or cultural influence.

I hope that’s not seen as racist.

jam_mac_jam

It's not just because they are Jewish. They are an ally of the US and Europe. It's cold war related as well. The support increased greatly due to socialist leaning Arab states and the Iranian revolution.

It's also due to historical and religious significance of Jerusalem to Christianity. It's not as simple as Jewish influence. It's also it's value to the west in the middle of countries that may not be very fond of their former colonial masters and their allies.

namloc1980

IDF got exposed on Twitter with their propaganda. They claimed a video of a rocket launcher in a residential area was proof that Hamas was endangering civilians in Gaza (a few posters here linked to this tweet earlier in the week to show how evil Hamas is and how righteous Israel is). Anyway it turns out the video is actually of an Israeli military vehicle in northern Israel from 2018. And yet we have posters here taking everything the IDF say as gospel. Do you still believe Hamas had some sort of intelligence centre in the global media offices the IDF destroyed??

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thomas 123

namloc1980 wrote: »

IDF got exposed on Twitter with their propaganda. They claimed a video of a rocket launcher in a residential area was proof that Hamas was endangering civilians in Gaza (a few posters here linked to this tweet earlier in the week to show how evil Hamas is and how righteous Israel is). Anyway it turns out the video is actually of an Israeli military vehicle in northern Israel from 2018. And yet we have posters here taking everything the IDF say as gospel. Do you still believe Hamas had some sort of intelligence centre in the global media offices the IDF destroyed??

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“This tweet is unavailable”

Classic.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you honestly believe Jews to be any more hard working or decent than non Jews?

Genuine question.

I wouldn't say "decent". However he Jewish people have been a relatively insular group for the last how many thousands of years, what you have is a well-defined cultural identity which supersedes any national identity, and thus is more resistant to localised nuances.

A Jewish man born and bred in London will be able to relate very strongly to a Jewish man raised in Hebron. Even down to probably being able to converse in Hebrew. They'll have many common personal experiences.

An Irish catholic and a Polish catholic by contrast will have surprisingly different experiences of growing up, even of their own religion.

This has meant that Jewish values which focus on study and business have remained strongly within the Jewish mindset, across the world. They're not smarter or harder-working then any other individual on a one-to-one basis. But at a macro level they are more likely as a group to be more prolific in business and education.

The other major factor is that this general cohesion as a group has allowed for wealth to be retained. Most wealth in the world is obtained directly or indirectly through inheritance, not through hard work. Major revolutions often have a tendency to cause wealth to become fractured, dissipated. As cultural subgroups get scattered to the four winds, so too does their accumulated wealth.
Since the Jewish people have retained a "global community" through the years in spite of whatever oppressions were faced by them, the wealth the Jewish community currently has can still be traced back to the wealth it had in 100BC, such is a closed community so effective at protecting its assets.

The question is often asked in a snide or "grand conspiracy" way, as if the Jewish people have some insider knowledge that they're using to defraud the rest of us out of our money. But it's ultimately just straightforward inheritance.

This ability for wealth to become concentrated like this is why punitive inheritance taxes are the only way to bring proper economic balance to the world, but that's for another thread...

tayto lover

namloc1980 wrote: »

IDF got exposed on Twitter with their propaganda. They claimed a video of a rocket launcher in a residential area was proof that Hamas was endangering civilians in Gaza (a few posters here linked to this tweet earlier in the week to show how evil Hamas is and how righteous Israel is). Anyway it turns out the video is actually of an Israeli military vehicle in northern Israel from 2018. And yet we have posters here taking everything the IDF say as gospel. Do you still believe Hamas had some sort of intelligence centre in the global media offices the IDF destroyed??

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This just shows the liars up for what they are but we all knew that already even the denying Israeli supporters. Liars and murderers.

end of the road

political analyst wrote: »

The Israeli airstrikes are aimed at Hamas. The airstrikes are not intended to kill civilians. The airstrikes are taking place because Hamas fired rockets at Israel.

that is not correct.
the air strikes are intended to target civilians as israel are happy to, and have been proven to, deliberately target civilians.
hamas rockets, which are being fired because of israel's ethnic cleansing program, are an excuse for israel to engage in their out of proportion behaviour and war crimes.
remember this is the country that used irish passports to commit murder, and when called out on it apparently threatened to sink an irish aid ship if the irish government didn't (in their words apparently) "shut up about it"

carlirl wrote: »

Correct.

Solution is quite simple - stop the rockets, the airstrikes will stop.

the air strikes might stop (in a lot of cases they are started before rocket fire in the first place) but the ethnic cleansing, colonization, land theft, apartheid, breaches of every international and human rights law that exists, deliberate targeting of civilians, and all other crimes will continue.

end of the road

coinop wrote: »

Powerful video. The juxtaposition of lectures on human rights from Iran, Venezuela, Pakistan and North Korea (lol) with the son of a Palestinian leader condemning Hamas. I expect it to be ignored. Irish people posting online surely know more about the situation on the ground than a guy who grew up in Ramallah under the unelected Hamas regime.

ironically the state of israel joins those countries you mention in having no moral high ground when it comes to lecturing on human rights.

agoodpunt wrote: »

https://www.dw.com/en/who-is-hamas/a-57537872

Them crazy rocketeers fire from family apartmant blocks in the hope the retalation will kill its ocupants

and generally israel is willing to oblige.
in fact, even if there is no rockets they are willing to oblige.

seamus

carlirl wrote: »

Correct.

Solution is quite simple - stop the rockets, the airstrikes will stop.

The naivety of this statement.

Israel won't allow the rocket strikes to stop. They embed their own agents at the top levels of Hamas to stir sh1t up.

cameramonkey

thomas 123 wrote: »

Yes!

I believe a lot of a persons life can be influenced by a strong religious or cultural influence.

I hope that’s not seen as racist.

Any generalization about the superiority or inferiority of a race or religion is either racist or sectarian. In fact it leads to what you see with the killings in Gaza.

cameramonkey

https://twitter.com/Timesofgaza/status/1394258896408174593

59 children & 35 women killed by the Israelis, from the most accurate and moral army in the world.

end of the road

Pussyhands wrote: »

I mean, if you're against Israel because they're an apartheid regime, how can you support Palestine who wants to wipe Israel off the map?

Where do jews go?

israel isn't and never was going to be wiped off the map, so your concerns about it happening or some wanting it to happen aren't justified since it was annd is not going to happen unless israel were extremely stupid.
jews like anyone else go to the countries they are from, if they are actually born in israel they go to israel.
if they are born in the uk they go to the uk, if they are born in ireland they go to ireland.
you can stand with israel away, but it doesn't change the fact it is a rogue and terrorist state, since it engages in behaviour consistent with what such a state would engage in.

thomas 123

cameramonkey wrote: »

Any generalization about the superiority or inferiority of a race or religion is either racist or sectarian. In fact it leads to what you see with the killings in Gaza.

Generalizations are generalizations.

Facts like IQ, wealth concerntration, and others are simply facts.

I’d imagine your upbringing(parents, education, social circle, values) would have something to do with your productivity?

If it makes you feel better to think everyone has equal opportunity and the same upbringing go ahead and think that way.

Please note: I never once said any race was superior or inferior, I answered a question about why people of the Jewish faith seem to be disproportionately represented in
top jobs.

cameramonkey

thomas 123 wrote: »

Generalizations are generalizations.

Facts like IQ, wealth concerntration, and others are simply facts.

I’d imagine your upbringing(parents, education, social circle, values) would have something to do with your productivity?

If it makes you feel better to think everyone has equal opportunity and the same upbringing go ahead and think that way.

Please note: I never once said any race was superior or inferior, I answered a question about why people of the Jewish faith seem to be disproportionately represented in
top jobs.

I grew up in an area of Dublin that had many Jewish families. On my road their were 3 families. I also knew a few other Jewish people and people who had Grand parents who were Jewish. In terms of their abilities and productivity they were very similar to the general population. I think if someone had said to me that they stood out in some other than their religion I would have been surprised.

Snake Plisken

Have to agree with John Mcguirk's article about the conflict here. For balance you can read Tim Jackson gives argue against Israel's actions

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1394237950498590721?s=19

thomas 123

cameramonkey wrote: »

I grew up in an area of Dublin that had many Jewish families. On my road their were 3 families. I also knew a few other Jewish people and people who had Grand parents who were Jewish. In terms of their abilities and productivity they were very similar to the general population. I think if someone had said to me that they stood out in some other than their religion I would have been surprised.

Now you are generalizing

I think it’s best not go down this rabbit hole as we could derail the thread a bit!

<Holds up card> “not a racist“