Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

ypres5

Fandymo wrote: »

What other first world countries massacre children daily? Arrest kids daily? Bomb residential areas daily? Bulldoze minorities homes daily?

Any link to these daily massacres and residential bombings? I'm sure if there were 'massacres' going on daily it might be considered a bit newsworthy

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel is an ethno state in the same way the Islamic Republic of Iran is. Why do you make it sound worse than Iran?

Because Jews, some people have a serious problem with Jewish people

Fandymo

Fandymo wrote: »

What other first world countries massacre children daily? Arrest kids daily? Bomb residential areas daily? Bulldoze minorities homes daily?

What other first world countries have rockets fired at its citizens daily?

Mimon

Deleted User wrote: »

Israel is an ethno state in the same way the Islamic Republic of Iran is. Why do you make it sound worse than Iran?

Iranians are living where their ancestors have lived for hundreds/thousands of years.

Israel is ethnically cleansing areas to move into. According to their laws someone who is Jewish from Russia/the U.S./wherever has the right to move to an area that has been stolen off the people who did live there. Bonkers.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What other first world countries have rockets fired at its citizens daily?

It's amazing how some people hate Jews so much they're willing to side with a bunch of suicidal jihadists out of pure spite

Overheal

ypres5 wrote: »

It's amazing how some people hate Jews so much they're willing to side with a bunch of suicidal jihadists out of pure spite

It's not possible to just express distaste with other humans blowing up other humans? It automatically must be anti-semitism if it's the IDF doing the blowing up?

Mimon

ypres5 wrote: »

Because Jews, some people have a serious problem with Jewish people

Is it possible for you to make some sort of point and contribute to the thread instead of falsely accusing people of being anti semites because their opinion differs from yours.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

These people just use Israel as a pinata to vent their anti semitism, I always find it amazing how silent these 'activists' are about the dozens of other counties who commit far far worse crimes than Israel yet it's the one Jewish majority country on the planet that causes such grave offense to them.

Every country can (more or less) claim to be the one <name the ethnic group> majority country in the world. China is the one Chinese majority country in the world. And Russia is the one Russian majority country on the world.

And why should we be allowed, using this logic, to criticise Russia? Didn’t the Nazis kill millions of Russians. Wasn’t the idea to exterminate the slavs and move them back past the Urals. Are critics of Russians like Nazis?


Far from being over covered Israel barely makes the news. Shootings of Palestinians go on all the time but are not covered.

This is big news.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

It's amazing how some people hate Jews so much they're willing to side with a bunch of suicidal jihadists out of pure spite

It just seems to me that people have no sense of perspective on history or current affairs.

If somebody with a slightly light skin tone does something against a darker skin tone, it must be racist and is the most evil thing in the world. Libya would be a place of far worse evil than Israel yet most people couldn't give a monkeys about it.

Overheal

ypres5 wrote: »

I always find it amazing how silent these 'activists' are about the dozens of other counties who commit far far worse crimes than Israel.

What other country besides Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing and also is a defacto partner and ally to the United States? What other country does the US defend in the security counsel for that activity? What other country does every US presidential candidate swear to defend?

There are a whole host of reasons to be critical of Israel none of which hinge upon Judaism, a fact underscored by the overwhelming lack of discussion of the religion or the ethnicity that would normally be seen in parallel discussions about Islamic aggression, which is almost universally attributed to religion and ethnicity. You don't need to know the depths of Islam or Judaism to find the violence there appalling.

Fandymo

ypres5 wrote: »

Any link to these daily massacres and residential bombings? I'm sure if there were 'massacres' going on daily it might be considered a bit newsworthy

Thats just the Gaza Strip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_Israeli_attacks_on_the_Gaza_Strip

IDF using children as human shields: "Amnesty International's report into the 2008 Gaza War stated that they had found instances in which the IDF endangered the lives of civilians, including children, by using them as human shields."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/7/31/palestinian-baby-burned-to-death-in-settler-attack



Its there if you look for it.

Housefree

Israel is the only apartheid State in the world

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution

namloc1980

ypres5 wrote: »

Because Jews, some people have a serious problem with Jewish people

Bravo. Everyone who criticises Israel is a Jew hater right? It's so predictable in every thread about Israeli actions that the anti-Semitic card is thrown out.

igCorcaigh

Wow, that's some scene on the live cam...

Stovepipe

Mimon wrote: »

Israel purports to be a civilized state. Ridiculous comparison/whataboutery here.

It is, compared to Lebanon, Syria and a few other Arab states. Every time fighting like this kicks off, the many Palestinians who work in Israel have to stay home and don't get an income so they suffer the law of unintended consequences. Hamas clearly don't give a flying **** about their own people,as they are prepared to have Gaza flattened to achieve the square root of nothing. Even Hizbollah,not known to be unwilling to fight to the death against Israel, realised that they were on a hiding to nothing by fighting Israel. They effectively dominate a large chunk of Lebanon so they somewhere to live and as long as they don't provoke Israel, they get to live normal lives.

namloc1980

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Wow, that's some scene on the live cam...

What cam?

Manic Moran

Fandymo wrote: »

Sounds like an excellent idea.

I propose that you head up the Shankill a few weeks after the vote for the unification of Ireland (whenever it happens) and explain to the unionists, that they'll become Irish, but they'll have "full rights and priviliges accorded to all Irish citizens". I'm sure they'd be delighted with that.

They don't have to be delighted with it, they just have to live with it, just as the current residents of the Falls are currently living as being citizens of the UK in a generally peaceable condition.

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1392475869424373760?s=20

igCorcaigh

namloc1980 wrote: »

What cam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVLf4OMIO0

It's live, but go back around 20 mins or so.
That tower block was taken out.

Hope all residents got out safely.

Overheal

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVLf4OMIO0

It's live, but go back around 20 mins or so.
That tower block was taken out.

Hope all residents got out safely.

Now I can watch human misery with my coffee and crackers... live!

namloc1980

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVLf4OMIO0

It's live, but go back around 20 mins or so.
That tower block was taken out.

Hope all residents got out safely.

Israeli air force demolishing apartment buildings in Gaza. Horrific. I'm sure the Israel defenders will be along shortly to justify it.

Triangle

Overheal wrote: »

It's not possible to just express distaste with other humans blowing up other humans? It automatically must be anti-semitism if it's the IDF doing the blowing up?

There's three viewpoints here

1) isreal bad guys
2) palastinians bad guys
3) 1 and 2 are bad guys.

They were saying picking option 1 is anti Jewish.

Just like picking option 2 is anti palistinian.

Overheal

Triangle wrote: »

There's three viewpoints here

1) isreal bad guys
2) palastinians bad guys
3) 1 and 2 are bad guys.

They were saying picking option 1 is anti Jewish.

Just like picking option 2 is anti palistinian.

Why is 1 antisemitic but opt 2 is not anti-islam? Why is 2 anti-palestine but option 1 is not anti-israel?

There is a difference between the Jewish ethnicity and the nation of Israel and the actions it takes as a sovereignty.

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

Israel is an ethno state in the same way the Islamic Republic of Iran is. Why do you make it sound worse than Iran?

Iran is irrelevant to the discussion and is pure whataboutism.

Israel is an Ethno state plain and simple, as clearly defined in their nation state law, whereas before they would beat around the bush, with that law they are an admitted ethno state.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/lummideast/status/1392518857571569666

igCorcaigh

Something beautiful about this.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1392519639238860801

Hopes and prayers to all

cnocbui

Israel is esentially apartheid, South Africa, but with more powerful friends.

namloc1980

Israel demolishing more buildings in Gaza.

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Odhinn

cnocbui wrote: »

Israel is esentially apartheid, South Africa, but with more powerful friends.

Actually Apartheid south Africa lasted as long as it did due in no small part to US blocking action against it at the UNSC level for many years. once that stopped its end was assured. Likewise Rhodesia.

Overheal

Trevor Noah Asks Israel ‘What Is Your Responsibility?’ in Palestinian Conflict: It’s ‘Not a Fair Fight’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeZ4yXyzUG0

I appreciate his insight as always, he himself has his entire life experience defined in part by the South African Apartheid.