Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

Overheal

TomSweeney wrote: »

racist user name ??!! Go away outta da!!

That’s no way to talk to your da.

The word Eskimo is an offensive term that has been used historically to describe the Inuit throughout their homeland, Inuit Nunangat, in the arctic regions of Alaska, Greenland and Canada, as well as the Yupik of Alaska and northeastern Russia, and the Inupiat of Alaska. Considered derogatory in Canada, the term was once used extensively in popular culture and by researchers, writers and the general public throughout the world. (See also Arctic Indigenous Peoples and Inuit.)

Origin of the Term

The origin of the word Eskimo is a matter of some contention, but it is generally understood to be of Algonquian origin, Innu-aimun (Montagnais) more specifically. It was long thought to mean “eaters of raw meat.” Algonquian language speakers (including dialects of Cree, Innu-aimun and Ojibwe) have used words to describe the Inuit that would substantiate this definition, including ashkipok (Eastern Ojibwe), eshkipot (Ojibwe), askamiciw (Cree), kachikushu (North Shore Montagnais). (See also Indigenous Languages in Canada.)

However, scholars like Ives Goddard have argued that those forms only support an Ojibwe root, rather than the understood Innu-aimun origin. This theory points to the origin of the word as the Innu-aimun awassimew/ayassimew, which means roughly “one who laces snowshoes.” It is possible that this term was used generally by the Innu to describe the Mi’kmaq, and was later transferred to Inuit upon contact between the two groups. As the word came into use in Ojibwe, its original meaning may have become blurred, as the ashk-prefix can also mean raw or fresh in Ojibwe. French explorers and settlers translated the word toesquimaux,the Danish spelling.

Pejorative and Continued Use

Regardless of the true origin of the name, many people used the term Eskimo to denote Inuit. This use was a catalyst for change in the 1970s. In 1977, Inuit met in Barrow, Alaska, for the first Inuit Circumpolar Conference. Delegates from the United States, Canada and Greenland formed the Inuit Circumpolar Council (ICC). The ICC Charter, signed in 1980, defined the Inuit as “Indigenous members of the Inuit homeland recognized by Inuit as being members of their people and shall include the Inupiat, Yupik (Alaska), Inuit, Inuvialuit (Canada), Kalaallit (Greenland) and Yupik (Russia).” In defining Inuit as such, they rejected the use of the term Eskimo.

Inuit is the standard endonym (a name a group uses to describe itself) for Inuit. The use of Eskimo, an exonym (a name given to a group of people by another group), perpetuates harmful stereotypes of the Inuit as remote and politically insignificant, while also romanticizing the Arctic. The reason for this persistence may be benign ignorance, or indifference to the implied cultural superiority and disrespect exhibited by its use.

Eskimois still used by linguists to denote the Eskimo-Aleut language group, and to describe the speakers of the Eskimo branch of the group as a whole. Eskimo-Aleut includes Inuktitut and its dialects, as well as Aleut, the language spoken by the Aleut people of Alaska’s Aleutian Islands and northeastern Russia.

Popular Culture

The “Eskimo Pie,” an ice cream bar dipped in chocolate, exploded in popularity in the United States in 1922, the same year the groundbreaking documentary Nanook of the North was released. The frozen treat is still sold in the United States. Amid backlash, it was announced in 2020 that the product’s name would be changed.

“Eskimos” or “Eskimo Lollies” are coloured marshmallow candies sold in New Zealand. The candies attracted international attention in 2009 when Seeka Lee Veevee Parsons, an Inuit tourist in New Zealand, criticized the use of the word to domestic and international media. The candy is undergoing a branding and name change as of 2020.

In Canada, the Edmonton Eskimos, a professional football team in the Canadian Football League, have used the name since their founding in 1949, though the name had been used by Edmonton-area teams since the early 20th century. The team has received criticism for the name, especially because Inuit are not indigenous to the Edmonton area. The team has announced that it will drop the “Eskimo” name.

Popularized by Nanook of the North, an “Eskimo kiss” (known in Inuktitut as akunik) is a type of greeting in which two parties slowly rub their noses together. However, the popularized “Eskimo kiss” cannot be accurately described as akunik, which involves softly pressing one’s nose to the cheek of another and slowly breathing in the receiver’s scent. This nuzzle greeting is most often done to babies or small children.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/eskimo

Homelander

UDAWINNER wrote: »

At the moment, there is only one group exterminating people, not talking about it, actually doing it and that's the Israelis. When you think all the horror they went through with nazis, you'd think they would have a bit of humanity, obviously not. Sickening that people defend these war mongers especially on this island, then again the same people defend Ballymurphy, Bloody Sunday, etc

I think to be fair you should preface that statement with the recognition that's not from lack of effort from Hamas, it's the fact Israel has an advanced interception defense system.

That's not taking sides, defending anyone, and most certainly not defending the disproportionate reaction or casualty rates.

But Hamas are most certainly doing more than talking and making a concerted effort at that.

archer22

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He posts anti Palestinian stuff, Palestinians are semites ergo he is anti semetic.

We won't even go into his racist user name.

A fact that is always conveniently overlooked..Arabs and Sephardic Jews are the only true Semites.

Signore Fancy Pants

More rocket fire from south Lebanon into Israel. Israel have responded

Overheal

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

More rocket fire from south Lebanon into Israel. Israel have responded

4 rockets. 1 hit the ocean, 1 intercepted, 2 ignored which hit no collateral.

Surprised Israel doesn’t level Lebanon now, you know, since it’s really about self defense

branie2

Will it ever end?

harmless

branie2 wrote: »

Will it ever end?

This current conflict or the the flare ups ever few years?

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're concerned about "Nazi like language" yet totally ignore Nazi like actions.

Israel is targeting specific military sites / targets, many of which are deliberately nestled in civilian zones. Israel gives civilians advance notice of attacks to leave the zone.

A cursory glance at the video footage evidence of this, both from social media posted by Palestinians and video footage released by Israeli forces, shows this.

Again, Hamas is encouraging deaths not only to Israeli civilians - by firing literally thousands of rockets (not "rocks" or tat) indiscriminately at Israel. If it weren't for the Iron Dome, goodness knows for many Israeli civilians would have died.

It is Hamas that voiced Nazi-esque language, backed up by actions that are far worse than what Israel is attempting to do.

EltonJohn69

stuboy01 wrote: »

McWilliams' Monday podcast on the topic was very informative. Tom Friedman was his guest. Its worth a listen, rather than following a line that one side is wrong and the other right. Realistically the current situation suits Netanyahu and Hamas. They are locked in violence together to serve their owns needs. The citizens are expendable pawns.

He was good, but the point about the Palestinians blew their chance of getting their territory back because they didn’t take advantage of Trumps vanity was a bit of a stretch.

Signore Fancy Pants

Overheal wrote: »

4 rockets. 1 hit the ocean, 1 intercepted, 2 ignored which hit no collateral.

Surprised Israel doesn’t level Lebanon now, you know, since it’s really about self defense

Yep, well they have responded with nominal artillery fire into an open area, escalation unlikely.

branie2

harmless wrote: »

This current conflict or the the flare ups ever few years?

The conflict

branie2

branie2 wrote: »

The conflict

Probably not. Even if the political incentives eventually make it a possibility, there is a trifecta of fundamentalist, apocalyptic/messianic religious BS waiting in the wings to take over.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel is targeting specific military sites / targets, many of which are deliberately nestled in civilian zones. Israel gives civilians advance notice of attacks to leave the zone.

A cursory glance at the video footage evidence of this, both from social media posted by Palestinians and video footage released by Israeli forces, shows this.

Again, Hamas is encouraging deaths not only to Israeli civilians - by firing literally thousands of rockets (not "rocks" or tat) indiscriminately at Israel. If it weren't for the Iron Dome, goodness knows for many Israeli civilians would have died.

It is Hamas that voiced Nazi-esque language, backed up by actions that are far worse than what Israel is attempting to do.

The IDF headquarters are in Tel Aviv therefore its a legitimate target right?

thomas 123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel is targeting specific military sites / targets, many of which are deliberately nestled in civilian zones. Israel gives civilians advance notice of attacks to leave the zone.

A cursory glance at the video footage evidence of this, both from social media posted by Palestinians and video footage released by Israeli forces, shows this.

Again, Hamas is encouraging deaths not only to Israeli civilians - by firing literally thousands of rockets (not "rocks" or tat) indiscriminately at Israel. If it weren't for the Iron Dome, goodness knows for many Israeli civilians would have died.

It is Hamas that voiced Nazi-esque language, backed up by actions that are far worse than what Israel is attempting to do.

Encouraging deaths - wow.

What’s next, the palastinans skirt is too short, they deserved to be raped?

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Israel is targeting specific military sites / targets, many of which are deliberately nestled in civilian zones. Israel gives civilians advance notice of attacks to leave the zone.

A cursory glance at the video footage evidence of this, both from social media posted by Palestinians and video footage released by Israeli forces, shows this.

Again, Hamas is encouraging deaths not only to Israeli civilians - by firing literally thousands of rockets (not "rocks" or tat) indiscriminately at Israel. If it weren't for the Iron Dome, goodness knows for many Israeli civilians would have died.

It is Hamas that voiced Nazi-esque language, backed up by actions that are far worse than what Israel is attempting to do.

A COVID testing center is a military site?

ChickenDish

Israel won't stop until there is no Palestine, they have for many years been guilty of Genocide and will continue to be so.

100 years from now, Israel will have achieved their goal and displaced, eradicated, land grabbed their way to the one state solution because there will be no Palestine.

Israel have and always do as they please regardless of international condemnation from some countries. The likes of America are happy to let them carpet bomb civilians and destroy infrastructure.

wes

Mob Violence Against Palestinians in Israel Is Fueled by Groups on WhatsApp


While the slaughter in Gaza is understandably receiving the most attention. Extremist Zionist mobs are attacking Palestinians in Israel. You can't use Hamas as an excuse for this one, and it should be noted the Israeli government is not stopping any of these mobs.

Overheal

Biden announces the US expects “significant de-escalation today” from the Israelis

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/19/biden-tells-israels-netanyahu-us-expects-a-significant-de-escalation-today-in-gaza.html

Now that the Gazans have been blown backwards into yet another Stone Age it becomes harder and harder to justify wiping out entire families inside their homes.

At least 212 dead Palestinians, 12 dead Israelis.

PeggyShippen

ChickenDish wrote: »

Israel won't stop until there is no Palestine, they have for many years been guilty of Genocide and will continue to be so.

100 years from now, Israel will have achieved their goal and displaced, eradicated, land grabbed their way to the one state solution because there will be no Palestine.

Israel have and always do as they please regardless of international condemnation from some countries. The likes of America are happy to let them carpet bomb civilians and destroy infrastructure.

Why would Israel wait 100 years when it could achieve the goal in a week right now. Didnt Israel pull out of Gaza and dismantle the settlements there years ago?
Something doesn't add up..

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The IDF headquarters are in Tel Aviv therefore its a legitimate target right?

Would you say the same thing if it were ISIS or Al Qaeda?

Overheal wrote: »

Now that the Gazans have been blown backwards into yet another Stone Age it becomes harder and harder to justify wiping out entire families inside their homes.

At least 212 dead Palestinians, 12 dead Israelis.

No need for the hyperbole.

Gaza has a population of 2 million people - almost half the population of Ireland.

212 dead Palestinians - how many of them militants?

How many innocent civilians died in zones where Hamas intentionally placed military equipment?

Furthermore, when you factor in all relevant factors, it demonstrates how Israel is trying to be as targeted as possible.

If they wanted mass destruction, the death toll could easily be 100,000 by now.

Overheal

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Why would Israel wait 100 years when it could achieve the goal in a week right now. Didnt Israel pull out of Gaza and dismantle the settlements there years ago?
Something doesn't add up..

Lessons learned from the British Plantations?

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

Would you say the same thing if it were ISIS or Al Qaeda?

It's a simple yes or no question: are Military sites/targets in Tel Aviv legitimate military targets? Obviously, you've already stated that most of Gaza is legitimate target because of its insinuated military use.

Odhinn

The noble actions of the IDF.

Senior Gaza doctor killed in Israeli airstrike remembered for his compassion and skill

Dr. Ayman Abu Al-Ouf was one of two senior doctors killed in Israeli airstrikes on Sunday. He was the head of internal medicine at Shifa Hospital, the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip, and a senior member of its coronavirus response team.


Al-Ouf, 51, was killed in his home by an early morning missile attack in the al-Wehda district of Gaza on Sunday. Two of his teenage children and his parents were also killed, and his third son is in critical condition, Alser said.

Dr. Mooein Ahmad al-Aloul, a 66-year-old psychiatric neurologist, was also killed in his home during the strike, Gaza's health ministry told the Independent.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-monday-edition-1.6029587/senior-gaza-doctor-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-remembered-for-his-compassion-and-skill-1.6031359

PeggyShippen

Overheal wrote: »

Lessons learned from the British Plantations?

Wow. An anti Brit slant to go with the Anti Israeli stuff. This is like a Sinn fein get together....
The fact is Israel is showing great restraint. Its surgical retaliation is going to set back the terrorists a long way. If they were the 'baddies' being portrayed by some on here then they'd just go 'Gazans you've got 2 days to leave Gaza,you're being expelled for supporting Hamas' ...

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

Would you say the same thing if it were ISIS or Al Qaeda?



No need for the hyperbole.

Gaza has a population of 2 million people - almost half the population of Ireland.

212 dead Palestinians - how many of them militants?

How many innocent civilians died in zones where Hamas intentionally placed military equipment?

Furthermore, when you factor in all relevant factors, it demonstrates how Israel is trying to be as targeted as possible.

If they wanted mass destruction, the death toll could easily be 100,000 by now.

The death toll is whatever Israel thinks the United States will let it get away with. Their actions have faced much more scrutiny following the strike on a media center. If they were allowed to wipe out Gaza in a week, they would have. Targeting homes, schools, hospitals, refugee camps, pandemic testing centers etc. because they are backed by the US, who label it self defense and assure us they've seen "secret evidence" implicating Hamas. The average man on the street of Israel wants the whole lot carpet bombed.

Overheal

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Wow. An anti Brit slant to go with the Anti Israeli stuff. This is like a Sinn fein get together....

Is there some issue with discussing colonialization?

When we aren't being accused of being anti-semites now you are going to accuse me of being anti-anglo? That would be a bit of a crisis of identity for me as a descendant of John Wesley.

I'll bring up the Trail of Tears too am I a self-hating Yankee? Enough with this wildly misplaced virtue-signal.

If they were the 'baddies' being portrayed by some on here then they'd just go 'Gazans you've got 2 days to leave Gaza,you're being expelled for supporting Hamas' ...

They don't bc that would be an overt act of ethnic cleansing, not unlike the Trail of Tears, that would not be defensible in the US, and by extension Israel would not have much if any defense against the UN if it did something like that. It's enough to them to treat them as open-air prisoners. The US supports a 2 state solution, not a 1 state solution.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would you say the same thing if it were ISIS or Al Qaeda?

Start a thread if you wish to talk about those groups.

Your justification for killing civilians in Gaza is that the IDF are "targeting" Hamas fighters.

If Hamas target the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv and accidentally hit an apartments or office block and kill civilians then by your standards they would be classed as "collateral damage" right?

Same if they fire rockets into a housing estate, if there are IDF members living nearby but innocent people get killed they are just "collateral damege" right?

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Start a thread if you wish to talk about those groups.

Your justification for killing civilians in Gaza is that the IDF are "targeting" Hamas fighters.

If Hamas target the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv and accidentally hit an apartments or office block and kill civilians then by your standards they would be classed as "collateral damage" right?

Same if they fire rockets into a housing estate, if there are IDF members living nearby but innocent people get killed they are just "collateral damege" right?

Hamas should not be targeting Israel full stop. Had Hamas not threatened Israel and subsequently bombarded Israel with rockets, Israel would not have responded in the way that it has.

Furthermore, I'd like to see more condemnation for Hamas who place military equipment in civilian zones.

Again, if Hamas were to act more humanely toward the Gazan people, they would not be putting Palestinian lives at risk from Israeli fire. Placing military equipment among apartment blocks is absolutely disgusting.

Israel does issue warnings, but Hamas knows exactly what they are doing and is willing to see Palestinians die for propaganda reasons rather than do the right thing.

But then again, they are a terrorist organization, so I shouldn't be surprised.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hamas should not be targeting Israel full stop. Had Hamas not threatened Israel and subsequently bombarded Israel with rockets, Israel would not have responded in the way that it has.

Absolute lies

Furthermore, I'd like to see more condemnation for Hamas who place military equipment in civilian zones. Again, if Hamas were to act more humanely toward the Gazan people, they would not be putting Palestinian lives at risk from Israeli fire. Israel does issue warnings, but Hamas know exactly what they are doing and are willing to see Palestinians die for propaganda reasons rather than do the right thing. But then again, they are a terrorist organization, so I shouldn't be surprised.

The IDF headquarters are in a civilian zone so they should also be condemned for the same right?

thomas 123

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Wow. An anti Brit slant to go with the Anti Israeli stuff. This is like a Sinn fein get together....
The fact is Israel is showing great restraint. Its surgical retaliation is going to set back the terrorists a long way. If they were the 'baddies' being portrayed by some on here then they'd just go 'Gazans you've got 2 days to leave Gaza,you're being expelled for supporting Hamas' ...

Peggy - Britain is very responsible for the state of things things in Israel and that region, palastine was the easy place to give the Jewish people a state due to the fact the people were nomadic and disorganized.

It was a crime itself. And the similarities between the Irish situation and this exist - but I guess we can’t say England should not have planted people here either right?