Israeli - Palestinian Conflict *Threadbans in OP*

end of the road

eskimohunt wrote: »

Hamas doesn't give a damn about Palestinian lives.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1395200947526197248

israel deliberately targets them on the other hand.

eskimohunt wrote: »

This goes to show how far the rot has sunk.

When Hamas does wrong, all the replies still focus on criticizing Israel.

There is a total lack of perspective.

Hamas can do no wrong, it seems. Where Hamas do wrong, Israel will still be considered the cause or comparitor.

Replace Hamas with ISIS or Al Qaeda, and you can see how ridiculous this has become.

israel uses hamas's wrong doing as an excuse to commit their crimes.
that is why they still get criticised when hamas's wrong doing is brought up by supporters of israel, because at least in my experience anyway, the supporters are not genuine.
generally israel is the cause of hamas's reaction.

cnocbui

eskimohunt wrote: »

This goes to show how far the rot has sunk.

When Hamas does wrong, all the replies still focus on criticizing Israel.

There is a total lack of perspective.

...

For once, I agree with you. Supporting and defending a nation state, which since it's beginning, has predicated it's defence on totally disproportionate responses to threats, where 1 death is answered with 20, is indeed a total lack of perspective.

It is not in our hands to prevent the murder of workers… and families… but it is in our hands to fix a high price for our blood, so high that the Arab community and the Arab military forces will not be willing to pay it.
Moshe Dayan

The method of collective punishment so far has proved effective.
Moshe Dayan

What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
Moshe Dayan

https://quotes.yourdictionary.com/author/moshe-dayan/

Overheal

Israelis targeted and destroyed a medical supply factory in Gaza.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3xnp4/israel-bombs-emergency-medical-equipment-3d-printing-facility-in-gaza?utm_source=vicenewsfacebook&fbclid=IwAR387me2_nIoVgMQ52viAh_EOtbGHIkR58QD7EyZjepnTKoJb9MeRBqO8-E

https://twitter.com/trklou/status/1394518620710002688?s=20

thomas 123

Overheal wrote: »

Israelis targeted and destroyed a medical supply factory in Gaza.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3xnp4/israel-bombs-emergency-medical-equipment-3d-printing-facility-in-gaza?utm_source=vicenewsfacebook&fbclid=IwAR387me2_nIoVgMQ52viAh_EOtbGHIkR58QD7EyZjepnTKoJb9MeRBqO8-E

https://twitter.com/trklou/status/1394518620710002688?s=20

If you look closely you can see the rocket nests ...

Overheal

thomas 123 wrote: »

If you look closely you can see the rocket nests ...

They were 3D printing rockets obviously:



IRL these are the medical devices fabricated at the facility: they're tourniquets.

wes

Another family wiped out:
https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1395428322616791042?s=20

More and more evidence piling up, that what the IDF is doing is genocide. Wiping out families, and destroying 3d printing facilities used for making tourniquets.

Overheal

Now I know Geraldo is not someone I always agree with but he is absolutely righteous this week.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1395189016371154947?s=20

Going to the mattresses with every right wing nut on Fox News to defend the right of Gazans to exist. A longer clip is here, at one point Geraldo turns his back on the camera. It gets wild, for pundit television.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/stop-attacking-me-punk-geraldo-rivera-calls-out-dan-bongino-in-heated-segment-on-israel/

Not shocked to see Hannity waving around claims about the obsolete Hamas charter. etc. and John Walker logic regarding the murder of children from US made bombs.

edit: Hannity is upset that Israeli children have to play in playgrounds housed in bomb shelters. Must be nice to have a shelter. Must be nice to have a playground.

MikeOxsgreen

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Poor reflection on them

He is telling an untruth, Mike.

I have repeatedly condemned deaths of innocents on both sides of the equation.

The point I have made, repeatedly, is that when Palestinians die - they know the names, age, history and widely publish it on social media.

When Israelis die, not a second thought is given - even though Israeli children have died too.

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

He is telling an untruth, Mike.

I have repeatedly condemned deaths of innocents on both sides of the equation.

The point I have made, repeatedly, is that when Palestinians die - they know the names, age, history and widely publish it on social media.

When Israelis die, not a second thought is given - even though Israeli children have died too.

You've made 112 posts ITT, none of them honoring the names of any dead Israelis. Nobody is gagging you either.

All you have are deflections.

You were entreated to list their names, 6 days ago. Go on, here we are again: 12 dead Israelis right? Put their names up. We can also put up the names of the Palestinian dead, really both-sides this.

Overheal wrote: »

eskimohunt wrote: »

Anti-Israeli's never, ever give the names and ages of Israeli civilians murdered by Hamasian rockets.

I guess some civilian lives matter more than others.

So-called Pro-Israeli's, similarly, have failed to "give the names and ages of Israeli civilians murdered by Hamasian rockets."

I entreat you to do so. I think reading through both lists of names - those killed by Hamas and those killed by Israel - would be enlightening. So don't let us stop you.

YFlyer

Israel been Israel.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

You've made 112 posts ITT, none of them honoring the names of any dead Israelis. Nobody is gagging you either.

All you have are deflections.

No, I just don't know the names of either. At least I am consistent.

But what typically happens when the deaths of Israeli civilians is mentioned, is that the blame is diverted to the Israeli side and not to Hamas.

Again, not a second thought is given to Israeli children / civilians.

If we are going to be consistent about caring for the lives of civilians, then at least demonstrate that in your posts.

Shebean

eskimohunt wrote: »

He is telling an untruth, Mike.

I have repeatedly condemned deaths of innocents on both sides of the equation.

The point I have made, repeatedly, is that when Palestinians die - they know the names, age, history and widely publish it on social media.

When Israelis die, not a second thought is given - even though Israeli children have died too.

So your point is all lives are equal but the Palestinians get too much attention for their dead children?
There's no hierarchy of dead children. You are accusing people of ignoring dead children to favour Palestine.
Palestine's plight gets more attention because Israel is the aggressor.

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

No, I just don't know the names of either. At least I am consistent.

So you don't care enough to look it up, just marginally enough to complain about them not being mentioned here?

If you have enough time and energy to huff about their names not being mentioned here but have no interest in looking them up I really do not see what point you think you are making. You've had a week since we last discussed this point.

If we are going to be consistent about caring for the lives of civilians, then at least demonstrate that in your posts.

But I do: I defy you to show me a single post of mine highlighting the names of any dead.

You've complained the Israeli names aren't here: add them. Piss, or get off that pot.

wes

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1395447708798832642?s=20

Blocking medics, and even attacking them, a new low for the IDF. I can only see this denial of medical personnel as further evidence that Israel intent is genocide.

YFlyer

wes wrote: »

Another family wiped out:
https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1395428322616791042?s=20

More and more evidence piling up, that what the IDF is doing is genocide. Wiping out families, and destroying 3d printing facilities used for making tourniquets.

Scum

Fuascailteoir

wes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1395447708798832642?s=20

Blocking medics, and even attacking them, a new low for the IDF. I can only see this denial of medical personnel as further evidence that Israel intent is genocide.

Can't see how anyone with a shred of decency could attempt to defend something like that. Thoroughly despicable behaviour by the IDF

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1395457238559608835

Overheal

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1395457238559608835

Finally.

Israel was entreated to more than one a week ago. Guess they are delighted with the results

https://fb.watch/5CruA5mBRf/

Hamas places military equipment and installations within densely occupied zones, such as within apartment blocks. That is designed to cause as much death as possible.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1395450267055923200

But instead of criticizing Hamas for doing precisely what leads to excess deaths of civilians, many posters here focus on the outcome of the cause instead.

Perhaps if the cause (Hamas) did not intentionally place military equipment in the centre of densely occupied civilian zones, that would be time better served than complaining about when those military zones are justifiably targeted by the IDF.

Moreover, Israel - knowing this - issues a multitude of warnings to ensure that civilians leave the affected zone. Thereby, casualties are minimized as much as possible. It's simply not possible or realistic to expect 0 civilian deaths in any war, unfortunately.

Note that Hamas is trying to maximize civilian deaths, whereas Israel is trying to minimize deaths by responding to these active military threats.

But we see no such focus here.

Instead, it's all anti-Israel yadda, yadda, yadda...an echo chamber of left-wing populism.

Stovepipe

Two things have happened here; Hamas are running out of rockets/mortar bombs/anti-tank rockets and are running out of volunteers to fire them,as the Israelis are hitting every single launch site that they find. Israel has probably killed enough senior Hamas leaders to make even Hamas pause for thought. Apart from that,Hamas fired an anti-tank missile at an Israeli bus, which was fortunately empty. They then waited until emergency crews had responded to the scene and then fired a volley of mortar bombs, in the hope of catching the paramedics on site. The Israelis stayed back as they had expected this and no-one was hurt. It has also been claimed that 20 of the dead and injured Palestinians were victims of a Hamas rocket that failed to fly as expected and hit an apartment block in Gaza.

igCorcaigh

Overheal wrote: »

Finally.

Israel was entreated to more than one a week ago. Guess they are delighted with the results

https://fb.watch/5CruA5mBRf/

Let's see how long it lasts (if it even starts).
Both sides could ramp up attacks before the deadline.

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

Hamas places military equipment and installations within densely occupied zones, such as within apartment blocks. That is designed to cause as much death as possible.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1395450267055923200

But instead of criticizing Hamas for doing precisely what leads to excess deaths of civilians, many posters here focus on the outcome of the cause instead.

Perhaps if the cause (Hamas) did not intentionally place military equipment in the centre of densely occupied civilian zones, that would be time better served than complaining about when those military zones are justifiably targeted by the IDF.

Moreover, Israel - knowing this - issues a multitude of warnings to ensure that civilians leave the affected zone. Thereby, casualties are minimized as much as possible. It's simply not possible or realistic to expect 0 civilian deaths in any war, unfortunately.

Note that Hamas is trying to maximize civilian deaths, whereas Israel is trying to minimize deaths by responding to these active military threats.

But we see no such focus here.

Instead, it's all anti-Israel yadda, yadda, yadda...an echo chamber of left-wing populism.

Yes, such precision:

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-gaza-israel-middle-east-health-38b9a5235f1fae5927c8364bf8334457

echoes back to 2014 when the IDF precisely wiped out 89 entire family trees.

https://www.rt.com/news/182620-palestine-family-dead-israel/

Latest tally: 64 children and 28 women killed precisely by the IDF among a total of 227. This you call minimizing deaths.

Hamas, reportedly maximizing deaths, has killed 12.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/israel-palestine-news-live-updates-hamas-gaza-idf-benjamin-netanyahu-fatah-west-bank-al-aqsa-terrorism-biden-9349361.htm

igCorcaigh

Midnight tonight, our time.
Let's hope it sticks.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1395460972098334729

namloc1980

Don't forget that the headquarters of the IDF and the Israeli Defence Ministry as well as other military installations are all located in the center of Tel Aviv surrounded by people's houses and apartments and civilian infrastructure. Why do the IDF place military infrastructure in the middle of occupied civilian areas?

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Don't forget that the headquarters of the IDF and the Israeli Defence Ministry as well as other military installations are all located in the center of Tel Aviv surrounded by people's houses and apartments and civilian infrastructure. Why do the IDF place military infrastructure in the middle of occupied civilian areas?

Let's put this in context: you are comparing Jihadist Hamas choosing to place rocket launchers in the centre of multiple apartment blocks, consciously and intentionally to maximize civilian death among their own population, to a sovereign state having the HQ of their defense force in their capital city?

...what!?

namloc1980

eskimohunt wrote: »

Let's put this in context: you are comparing Jihadist Hamas choosing to place rocket launchers in the centre of multiple apartment blocks, consciously and intentionally to maximize civilian death among their own population, to a sovereign state having the HQ of their defense force in their capital city?

...what!?

So you agree Tel Aviv is a legitimate target. Thanks for confirming.

Also I thought you Israeli fans see Jerusalem as the capital??

Overheal

eskimohunt wrote: »

Let's put this in context: you are comparing Jihadist Hamas choosing to place rocket launchers in the centre of multiple apartment blocks, consciously and intentionally to maximize civilian death among their own population, to a sovereign state having the HQ of their defense force in their capital city?

...what!?

No need for equivalences:

Is the IDF nestled in population centers: yes/no?

cnocbui

wes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1395447708798832642?s=20

Blocking medics, and even attacking them, a new low for the IDF....

No it isn't, they have done it before: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/video-did-israel-target-gazas-ambulances

Israeli army commander recorded ordering attack on Gaza clinic

An Israeli military commander has been recorded ordering troops to shell medical facilities during the 2014 attack on Gaza.

Nerya Yeshurun, a lieutenant colonel, instructed that a clinic in the Shujaiya neighborhood be fired upon on 23 July last year to “honor” an Israeli soldier who had been killed a day earlier. His statement amounts to a clear, though perhaps unintended, admission of war crimes.

And if you have any doubts his actions don't reflect official policy - he was later promoted.

Officer reprimanded for bombing clinic during 2014 Gaza war receives promotion,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shuffles-brass-promoting-new-intel-chief-and-censured-commander/

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Latest tally: 64 children and 28 women killed precisely by the IDF among a total of 227. This you call minimizing deaths.

Hamas, reportedly maximizing deaths, has killed 12.

It's not for want of trying.

If Israel wanted to kill more Palestinians, they could.
If Hamas could kill more Israelis, they would- over 4000 unguided rockets aimed at Israeli population centres.

MikeOxsgreen

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

It's not for want of trying.

If Israel wanted to kill more Palestinians, they could.
If Hamas could kill more Israelis, they would- over 4000 unguided rockets aimed at Israeli population centres.

Precisely.

Of course, 200 civilian deaths is dreadful, and even worse when you consider that many of these deaths were preventable had Hamas not planted these military installations in these areas.

Conversely, Israel could have - if they wanted and desired mass casualties - killed tens of thousands of people. It would be possible in a heartbeat, never mind 10-days.

But Israel didn't. And you have to ask the question: why not?

And the only answer is that Israel TRIED to minimize civilian deaths. Whilst it may not always be possible, that was and is their intention.

That much is abundantly clear.