Importing a used bike from England

macplaxton · 21-05-2021 6:22am

I looked up the duty rates for motorcycle/mopeds. Given that the intrinsic value is less than €700 for a £350 125cc in the OP's example, then 2.5% duty would apply.

Personally, I feel the need to bring either a cheap motorcycle or a dismantled one back with me on a future trip for my own personal use.

CN Code|Description|Duty
8711|Motorcycles (including mopeds) and cycles fitted with an auxiliary motor, with or without side-cars; side-cars : ||
8711 10 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cm³ |8.0%
8711 20| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 50 cm³ but not exceeding 250 cm³ : ||
8711 20 10| - - Scooters |8.0%
| - - Other, of a cylinder capacity : ||
8711 20 92| - - - Exceeding 50 cm³ but not exceeding 125 cm³ |8.0%
8711 20 98| - - - Exceeding 125 cm³ but not exceeding 250 cm³ |8.0%
8711 30| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 250 cm³ but not exceeding 500 cm³ : ||
8711 30 10| - - Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 250 cm³ but not exceeding 380 cm³ |6.0%
8711 30 90| - - Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 380 cm³ but not exceeding 500 cm³ |6.0%
8711 40 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 500 cm³ but not exceeding 800 cm³ : |6.0%
8711 50 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 800 cm³ : |6.0%
|||
8711 60| - With electric motor for propulsion : ||
8711 60 90| - - Other : |6.0%
|||
8711 90 00| - Other : |6.0%
|||
8714|Parts and accessories of vehicles of headings 8711 to 8713 : ||
8714 10| - Of motorcycles (including mopeds) : |
8714 10 10| - - Brakes and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 20| - - Gear boxes and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 30| - - Road wheels and parts and accessories thereof |3.7%
8714 10 40| - - Silencers (mufflers) and exhaust pipes; parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 50| - - Clutches and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 90| - - Other |3.7%

Flat-rate 2.5 % customs duty shall apply, provided that the intrinsic value of the goods subject to import duty does not exceed € 700 per consignment or per traveller.

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lipso · 21-05-2021 11:33am

Thanks for your help. So you think it’s 2.5%? These Eu regulations are complicated.
Is customs duty calculated after vat is added or before?

macplaxton · 21-05-2021 1:14pm

lipso wrote: »

Thanks for your help. So you think it’s 2.5%? These Eu regulations are complicated.

I think it is, but check with Revenue.

If personal items brought back personally
there's the € 430 "duty-free" allowance to consider.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/customs-information-for-travelling-and-duty-free-allowances/travelling-from-outside-the-eu/duty-free-allowances.aspx

lipso wrote: »

Is customs duty calculated after vat is added or before?

Mathematically* it doesn't matter, but procedurally they probably consider duty first before depressing you with the VAT.

ETA: (By that I mean it doesn't really matter if you add say 8% first then 23% or the other way round. Where it does matter is that in some cases customs duty is calculated on the intrinsic value of the goods rather than the landed cost. VAT gets lumped onto the whole lot every time.)

LollipopJimmy · 03-06-2021 4:48pm

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

I cant make sense of the above, too much conflicting info and also how and where do I pay the duty and vat should I go ahead.

There's two of the same bike for sale in Ireland, one has been messed with and the other is twice the price of this

Anybody give me a hand figuring it out?

LollipopJimmy · 03-06-2021 6:23pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

I cant make sense of the above, too much conflicting info and also how and where do I pay the duty and vat should I go ahead.

There's two of the same bike for sale in Ireland, one has been messed with and the other is twice the price of this

Anybody give me a hand figuring it out?

I believe duty is paid on arrival at the port and VAT with the VRT

macplaxton · 05-06-2021 5:10am

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

For the sake of argument call the ferry €100

€3500
6% duty +€210
23% VAT +€853.30
VRT either +€200 or +€300 depending on exactly when in 2014.

looking at €4763.30 / €4863.30

Easiest thing is probably to just add a third on top of the euro equivalent asking price, then stick the VRT on.

LollipopJimmy · 05-06-2021 5:08pm

macplaxton wrote: »

For the sake of argument call the ferry €100

€3500
6% duty +€210
23% VAT +€853.30
VRT either +€200 or +€300 depending on exactly when in 2014.

looking at €4763.30 / €4863.30

Easiest thing is probably to just add a third on top of the euro equivalent asking price, then stick the VRT on.

Thanks for that, I was more struggling with how to pay, I got a clearing agent in the end and I'm still coming in cheaper for a bike with half the mileage of the equivalent for sale in Ireland. Currently riding it across the UK, I'd to come over for work anyway

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 2:51pm

I've not had to do it yet, but it sounds a right old mess around trying to do it yourself with EORI numbers and stuff like that.

I think they can take payment from an individual online using myAccount, but it looks like a lot messing.

Has anyone done the process start to finish without using a third party?

LollipopJimmy · 06-06-2021 6:20pm

macplaxton wrote: »

I've not had to do it yet, but it sounds a right old mess around trying to do it yourself with EORI numbers and stuff like that.

I think they can take payment from an individual online using myAccount, but it looks like a lot messing.

Has anyone done the process start to finish without using a third party?

Customs told me its next to impossible. Clearing agent was €120 flat so not too bad

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 11:25pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Customs told me its next to impossible.

I did have Revenue tell me that I might as well pay the €50 VRT for the 34 year old car I re-registered when I moved here.

I politely declined and said I'll be in copies of all the bank statements, etc. to do a Transfer of Residence for free.

I'm sure it's of load of hassle (for them as well as me) but possible. I like to make them work for my money :pac:

LollipopJimmy · 06-06-2021 11:28pm

macplaxton wrote: »

I did have Revenue tell me that I might as well pay the €50 VRT for the 34 year old car I re-registered when I moved here.

I politely declined and said I'll be in copies of all the bank statements, etc. to do a Transfer of Residence for free.

I'm sure it's of load of hassle (for them as well as me) but possible. I like to make them work for my money :pac:

I've brought my bike in through the North so I'll argue the ferry fee :pac:

The clearing agent said I'd likely need to pay revenue before arrival if coming into Dublin, I wasn't willing to do that seeing as I hadn't seen the bike in the flesh so he told me to come in through Belfast. Suited me tbh

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 11:35pm

Belfast is good for the boat, bar the A75 to Cairnryan. Only time I've been nicked for speeding in 26 years. Cost me £300 / 4pts in court (85mph in 60mph overtaking some slow dope trying to make everyone miss the boat)

Just missed the boat too so had the misery of having to kill 3 hours in Stranraer.

I'm still bitter about it!

LollipopJimmy · 07-06-2021 12:16am

macplaxton wrote: »

I'm still bitter about it!

Would never have guessed

galwaytt · 10-06-2021 10:28am

macplaxton wrote: »

Belfast is good for the boat, bar the A75 to Cairnryan. Only time I've been nicked for speeding in 26 years. Cost me £300 / 4pts in court (85mph in 60mph overtaking some slow dope trying to make everyone miss the boat)

Just missed the boat too so had the misery of having to kill 3 hours in Stranraer.

I'm still bitter about it!

Snap: only ticket I ever got was in 1990, Wales, 2am, heading for Fishguard. In the snow. Some (ironically, also Scottish) PC made me take off my 3 x layers of gloves to get a sample signature and did me for 40 in a 30 iirc. I was literally the only bloody person out that night. :mad:

Oh no, I'm not bitter. At All ! :pac:

lipso · 04-07-2021 11:02pm

Is importing a bike from n Ireland the same as before? Just vrt to pay?

CJhaughey · 05-07-2021 6:32am

lipso wrote: »

Is importing a bike from n Ireland the same as before? Just vrt to pay?

Yes, as long as the bike was in NI before the end of the transition period.

goblin59 · 05-07-2021 8:50am

CJhaughey wrote: »

Yes, as long as the bike was in NI before the end of the transition period.

only if the bike was registered in NI before 31/12/2020

D3V!L · 05-07-2021 8:54am

goblin59 wrote: »

only if the bike was registered in NI before 31/12/2020

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

galwaytt · 05-07-2021 10:29am

D3V!L wrote: »

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

If it's new you'll be liable for Irish VAT as well as the VRT etc.

Btdt, wouldn't bother a 2nd time tbh.

goblin59 · 05-07-2021 10:50am

D3V!L wrote: »

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

you'd be cheaper after the conversion rates, VRT and VAT to have bought one in Ireland.

D3V!L · 05-07-2021 10:51am

goblin59 wrote: »

you'd be cheaper after the conversion rates, VRT and VAT to have bought one in Ireland.

I saved 3500 last year on a new bike buying in Belfast. Just wondering if things have changed.

lipso · 05-07-2021 11:18am

If it’s a uk reg as opposed to an ni reg and ni owner had it in his name before 31/12/2020 then old rules still apply for ni import?

Green_Martian · 05-07-2021 11:34am

macplaxton wrote: »

Ah, I see now

£350 + £325 = £675 / 0.86250 (Revenue Exchange Rate for May 2021*) = €782.60
+ Duty @ 8% €62.60 = €845.20
+ VAT @ 23% €194.39 = €1039.59
+ VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €1089.59

* https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/importing-and-exporting/exchange-rates/2021/may-2021.aspx

Ok can i ask if my calcs would be right:

Bike is 3500 GBP
Transport and shipping 546 GBP
Total of 4046 GBP

Rough Ex Rate to Euro is 4800 EUR
Duty 8% = 384 EUR

VAT 23% = 1104 EUR

VRT 0 as 35 year old bike
Grand Total 6288 EUR

Would the above be a rough guide if what i have to pay?

Where and when is duty paid and the VAT paid?

The VAT is a killer, especially on a second hand bike:eek:

LollipopJimmy · 05-07-2021 11:54am

Green_Martian wrote: »

Ok can i ask if my calcs would be right:

Bike is 3500 GBP
Transport and shipping 546 GBP
Total of 4046 GBP

Rough Ex Rate to Euro is 4800 EUR
Duty 8% = 384 EUR

VAT 23% = 1104 EUR

VRT 0 as 35 year old bike
Grand Total 6288 EUR

Would the above be a rough guide if what i have to pay?

Where and when is duty paid and the VAT paid?

The VAT is a killer, especially on a second hand bike:eek:

You're there or there abouts. Revenue told me private individuals can't really pay the VAT and Duty and that you need a clearing agent, basically there's a bit of software required to upload the info to revenue. I used a crowd in Donegal and it was seamless, they charged a flat €120

Green_Martian · 05-07-2021 12:00pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

You're there or there abouts. Revenue told me private individuals can't really pay the VAT and Duty and that you need a clearing agent, basically there's a bit of software required to upload the info to revenue. I used a crowd in Donegal and it was seamless, they charged a flat €120

A jaysus another fee:eek:

Could you PM me the company details, 120 euro just because they have a special piece of software

Any advice you have would be great as well

LollipopJimmy · 05-07-2021 12:06pm

Green_Martian wrote: »

A jaysus another fee:eek:

Could you PM me the company details, 120 euro just because they have a special piece of software

Any advice you have would be great as well

I'll just pop it here given I'm not shilling and it's relevant, Easycustoms was the crowd.

All you need for them is receipts, that end was simple. I did have to make 3 visits to NCT to get the VRT sorted, I was sent away the first time because they had no stat code for the bike and then they decided my gas bill from bord gais wasn't good enough as proof of address because I printed it so they wanted a bank statement which I also printed. However they only got the page that shows the charges, no balance or transactions.

Green_Martian · 05-07-2021 12:54pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I'll just pop it here given I'm not shilling and it's relevant, Easycustoms was the crowd.

All you need for them is receipts, that end was simple. I did have to make 3 visits to NCT to get the VRT sorted, I was sent away the first time because they had no stat code for the bike and then they decided my gas bill from bord gais wasn't good enough as proof of address because I printed it so they wanted a bank statement which I also printed. However they only got the page that shows the charges, no balance or transactions.

Cheers

LollipopJimmy · 05-07-2021 1:02pm

Green_Martian wrote: »

Cheers

No hassle, let us know how you go and what did you buy??

Green_Martian · 05-07-2021 1:12pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

No hassle, let us know how you go and what did you buy??

Just sent them a query so will see what the craic is.

Bought the below, no problem showing price as its detailed above hahaha in calcs

Bike: Kawasaki GPZ 900
Year: 1985
Price: 3,500 GBP
Shipping Quote: 546 GBP

MojoMaker · 06-07-2021 6:30pm

Wait....€6300 for a GPZ900R?

Jaysus :eek:

Importing a used bike from England

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